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People around here never change.  Seems like the expectations were that we acquire a QB that doesn’t exist. We got the best QB we possibly could have at a very tolerable price. Literally no

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Too much virtual testosterone on these last few pages.  Here is a picture of a kitten and a rabbit.

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You’ve never been banned    You were suspended.   If you were banned you just wouldn’t be here anymore. No one has been suspended for an opinion except when what they say is an attempt to trol

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  On 2019-11-20 at 7:40 PM, CodyT said:

As for Collaros.. if he comes in and wins Winnipeg a Grey cup it's hard not to give the guy another chance at a job. Winnipeg waits 29 years and it's potentially ZC who wins it... straight out of a movie. 1st round pick is hard to swallow though and as a tough business might be too big an asset to give up 

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A lot of people seem to forget that Collaros also needs to want to come back... he may already have his mind made up that he's going back to S Ont... 

  On 2019-11-21 at 12:58 PM, The Ghost of Mike Kelly said:

Prior to Nichols, do people remember the QB situation? Or the coaching situation prior to the MOS stability era?

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this is kind of the argument I made about Nichols even when he was going through rough patches... Winnipeg was a desolate wasteland for QBs from 2009 to 2015... Matt Nichols at his worst is better than anything we had in that time frame... not spectacular, but efficient and good enough to lead the team to victories... should the team strive for better? of course... but you don't throw away a good QB just because he's not a "great" QB...

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  On 2019-11-21 at 6:10 PM, bearpants said:

A lot of people seem to forget that Collaros also needs to want to come back... he may already have his mind made up that he's going back to S Ont... 

this is kind of the argument I made about Nichols even when he was going through rough patches... Winnipeg was a desolate wasteland for QBs from 2009 to 2015... Matt Nichols at his worst is better than anything we had in that time frame... not spectacular, but efficient and good enough to lead the team to victories... should the team strive for better? of course... but you don't throw away a good QB just because he's not a "great" QB...

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Like some genius did in 2008 with Kevin Glenn 

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I think matt is okay, but ZC8 has given the bomber fans a look at what are receivers can do when the QB can bye some time with his legs, and doesn't just check down or throw the ball away the first sign of trouble. ZC8 also looks like he has a stronger arm then Matt. A little more zip on the ball. 

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  On 2019-11-21 at 8:46 PM, Blueandgold said:

Sure it is, I'd argue that Bishop had more to do with the Argos 2007 record than Nichols did with the Bombers 2019. Nichols is a classic game manager who can keep a team afloat, but he's not a needle mover.

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Sure... if you want to use a single season as a means to justify whatever weak point it is you're trying to make, that's your prerogative. But looking at an entire body of work is probably more reasonable than what you're doing.

And it's not just the record he has as a starter. His personal stats since he joined this team give him a 97.4 QB rating (and his QB rating this season was 107.2). Saying he isn't a needle mover is absolutely, unequivocally incorrect. Just because he doesn't light up the field the same way Reilly or Harris does doesn't change that.

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  On 2019-11-21 at 8:55 PM, blue_gold_84 said:

Sure... if you want to use a single season as a means to justify whatever weak point it is you're trying to make, that's your prerogative. But looking at an entire body of work is probably more reasonable than what you're doing.

And it's not just the record he has as a starter. His personal stats since he joined this team give him a 97.4 QB rating (and his QB rating this season was 107.2). Saying he isn't a needle mover is absolutely, unequivocally incorrect. Just because he doesn't light up the field the same way Reilly or Harris does doesn't change that.

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The fact that Zach Collaros in one year has won more playoff games than Matt Nichols in three years might change that. If we had a QB who was a needle mover, we easily beat Calgary in the Western Final last year. 

Are we in the Grey Cup if Nichols is still our starting QB? I highly doubt it.

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  On 2019-11-21 at 9:09 PM, Blueandgold said:

The fact that Zach Collaros in one year has won more playoff games than Matt Nichols in three years might change that. If we had a QB who was a needle mover, we easily beat Calgary in the Western Final last year. 

Are we in the Grey Cup if Nichols is still our starting QB? I highly doubt it.

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Probably not. But Collaros looked pretty flat in Riderville. Could he sustain his current form over a whole season and then into Playoffs? Or would he end up being Nichols 2.0? 

66 Chevelle Newbie

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  On 2019-11-21 at 9:22 PM, Tiny759 said:

Isn’t this where we get to blame Lapo? 

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oh, they go hand in hand for sure... but to achieve the rating you have to be the one throwing the ball... so to use a QB rating to say someone is good you have to take into consideration where he throwing the ball... though the location is more on Lapo than Nichols, it's about completing passes to get the rating... when you're throwing on avg shorter that 3 yds you had better have a high rating....

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  On 2019-11-21 at 9:25 PM, 66 Chevelle said:

oh, they go hand in hand for sure... but to achieve the rating you have to be the one throwing the ball... so to use a QB rating to say someone is good you have to take into consideration where he throwing the ball... though the location is more on Lapo than Nichols, it's about completing passes to get the rating... when you're throwing on avg shorter that 3 yds you had better have a high rating....

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Yes I know what a qb efficiency rating is. Probably should have made it clearer that my comment was meant as a joke. More to point out the hypocrisy that when Nichols throws for low numbers it’s all on him, but when someone else does it, it’s all in Lapo.

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  On 2019-11-21 at 9:30 PM, Tiny759 said:

Yes I know what a qb efficiency rating is. Probably should have made it clearer that my comment was meant as a joke. More to point out the hypocrisy that when Nichols throws for low numbers it’s all on him, but when someone else does it, it’s all in Lapo.

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Streveler put up numbers similar to Nichols, but had rushing yards stacked on top of that.  Passing game was limited, probably from a lack of trust to take shots down field.  It seems pretty clear that LaPo has a lot of trust in Collaros' arm+brain combination!

66 Chevelle Newbie

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here's the thing that kills me about Lapo and Nichols... it's relying on Harris to be out in the flat to catch that screen pass... oh, it's great for keeping Nichols numbers up but they suck as a play... you know why he's always open there? because the defense is giving us that play because it sucks... we'd be better off having Harris stay in the back field and block and have Nichols try to complete a play down field because...  getting 3 yds on a screen pass when it's 2nd and 8 still equals a punt... that play is not better than throwing the ball out of bounds...

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