WSF

[Noeller]

6 minutes ago, JCon said:

Right on the elephant! 

all of this is a really good point. I never cheer for someone to have their livelihood taken away, but this weekend I'm cheering for injuries to key players on the Stamps and Riders more than anything. We've endured more than our share this season, and I'll take every advantage we can get in the WSF.... 

[J5V]

1 minute ago, J5V said:

True. I'm suggesting you don't use Streveler as a QB. Designate Collaros as the QB and use Strev as a psuedo-QB. 

When Adams throws the ball the D can't deal with it. An offense where Zach, Chris, and/or Adams could throw the ball would be ... interesting. Too crazy? LOL!

[blueingreenland]

Okay, I got another question. Why couldn't the Bombers list their back-up running back as the 3rd QB (besides Collaros and McGuire) and then list Streveler as a running back? It would only be an issue if we had an injury, but otherwise it might work. Am I correct??

[blueingreenland]

2 hours ago, MC said:

The only regular QB/kicker that I remember was Sonny Wade.  But I think he was just a punter.

No, wait - Don Jonas.  No idea who held for him.  I think it might have be the person who was then known as Ralph Brock.

I know Danny White was the kicker for the Cowboys many years ago (he later became the starting QB).

[JCon]

3 minutes ago, blueingreenland said:

Okay, I got another question. Why couldn't the Bombers list their back-up running back as the 3rd QB (besides Collaros and McGuire) and then list Streveler as a running back? It would only be an issue if we had an injury, but otherwise it might work. Am I correct??

No, Streveler, McGuire, Collaros, Nichols are all treated as QBs at this point. You can't list them at another position. 

[blueingreenland]

2 hours ago, MC said:

 

No, wait - Don Jonas.  No idea who held for him.  I think it might have be the person who was then known as Ralph Brock.

I believe Jonas got traded in 1974 when Brock arrived so he wouldn't held for him.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, JCon said:

I can see Lapo trying some sort of scheme to get both them many plays. 

As I said before... Zach at QB and Strevs at Full back. 

[JCon]

3 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

As I said before... Zach at QB and Strevs at Full back. 

As I said before Strevs can't play FB. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

21 minutes ago, JCon said:

No, Streveler, McGuire, Collaros, Nichols are all treated as QBs at this point. You can't list them at another position. 

So they can't ever change positions? They are stuck as being a QB?

[JCon]

4 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

So they can't ever change positions? They are stuck as being a QB?

I'm sure that there is some way to have Streveler move from QB to, let's say, RB. However, it doesn't look like you could do it in this case.

If Streveler came into next season as our RB, I'm sure that's allowed but you can't move him back and forth from QB to another (offensive) position. They cannot play on defence. 

 

Edited October 29, 2019 by JCon

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 minutes ago, JCon said:

I'm sure that there is some way to have Streveler move from QB to, let's say, RB. However, it doesn't look like you could do it in this case.

If Streveler came into next season as our RB, I'm sure that's allowed but you can't move him back and forth from QB to another (offensive) position. They cannot play on defence. 

 

Thanks for the info

[TBURGESS]

Streveler is designated as a QB. 

If designate him as something other than a QB, he becomes a DI or a Import starter and you lose a different import from the team. You'd then have 2 designated QB's instead of 3. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by TBURGESS

[JCon]

Just now, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Thanks for the info

I'm trying to find the info from rule book but it's not in there (as far as I can see). This is based on MOS description on the Coach's Show. 

[JCon]

Just now, TBURGESS said:

Streveler is designated as a QB. 

If designate him as something other than a RB, he becomes a DI or a Import starter and you lose a different import from the team. You'd then have 2 designated QB's instead of 3. 

According to MOS, Streveler cannot be considered for another position at this point. 

[TBURGESS]

Just now, JCon said:

According to MOS, Streveler cannot be considered for another position at this point. 

That's likely true, but in any case, you'd lose another import by designating Streveler as anything other than a QB.

[Firekid]

Wpg has a competent passer in Collaros. He has shown he can take a head shot as highlighted in the last game. Wpg has the best RB in the game today in Harris. There is no need to put Streveler on the field the same time as Collaros. He is best used as a short yardage guy with potential to bust a huge play on short yardage. He can also stay in the game as a change of pace QB in a hurry up offence after short yardage gains if needed to create a mismatch with the defense as they won't have a chance to sub in the guys they want and will have the heavy set on the field which would open up a down field play if Streveler can make that pass. This is the best scenario the Wpg offence can hope for and was very effective in the first half of the season before Nichols went down to injury. The combination of Collaros being the starting QB with the passing ability to make strikes down field and the ability of Chris Steveler to make big plays running the ball in short yardage situations is the best chance Wpg has to be successful in the playoffs. You play Colaros full out and you don't worry about injury because if you hesitate you are already losing. Go Fuking get em boys.  

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, Mark F said:

could you pull a receiver, say Adams, and put Streveller in as a receiver? then line up in backfield?

No. Against the rules. The 2 qb rule has been around for a few years. Surprised more fans don't know about it. 

[Mr Dee]

Hmm.?

Only 2 QBs on the roster next year eh?

Looks like we may be able to fit Streveler in elsewhere after all..we just have to wait.

And, we have an emergency replacement.

Oh, the possibilities...

Edited October 29, 2019 by Mr Dee

[Doublezero]

47 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

That's likely true, but in any case, you'd lose another import by designating Streveler as anything other than a QB.

He would not want to play anything other than QB. That's why he left Minn and went to S Dak - to play QB. With better coaching Streveler could be an outstanding CFL QB. Hoping we can sign him up for a term as a Blue Bomber QB.

[blueingreenland]

4 hours ago, Doublezero said:

. With better coaching Streveler could be an outstanding CFL QB. Hoping we can sign him up for a term as a Blue Bomber QB.

I hope your right.

[Mark H.]

6 hours ago, JCon said:

If Streveler came into next season as our RB, I'm sure that's allowed but you can't move him back and forth from QB to another (offensive) position. They cannot play on defence. 

 

It’s a sad day for football diversity. 

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2019-10-29 at 11:58 AM, MC said:

The only regular QB/kicker that I remember was Sonny Wade.  But I think he was just a punter.

No, wait - Don Jonas.  No idea who held for him.  I think it might have be the person who was then known as Ralph Brock.

In 1974, Don Jonas was no longer doing any place kicking. Winnipegger Walt McKee was the kicker for the Bombers that season. The former University of Manitoba  Bison was the first "soccer style" kicker to ever play for the Bombers which caused a big stir with fans & media at the time. He had a stronger leg than Jonas & for 2 years (in 72 & 73), then Head Coach Jim Spavital used both Jonas & McKee as kickers. Jonas was more accurate but didn't have the leg for longer kicks. Spavital would send McKee out for anything over 40-45 yards. McKee was also the punter &  kickoff specialist in his time with the Bombers. 

In 1974 as the full time kicker, McKee did not have a great year making just 20 out of 28 converts & 15 of 35 field goal attempts.  Wingback Bobby Kraemer would have been the holder that year as he held for Jonas from 1971 thru 73. The Blue Bombers released McKee after the 74 season.  He was picked up by the Eskimos & used only as a punter as Dave Cutler was their ace kicker in 1975. In McKee's 3 seasons as a Blue Bomber his success rate as a kicker was a dreadful 39.1%.

Be thankful for Justin Medlock everytime he puts one through the uprights. Bomber fans back then never experienced the accuracy of modern day kickers & would have marvelled at just how good they are today. It really is amazing when you look back at the numbers back then. 

Edited October 30, 2019 by SpeedFlex27

[blueingreenland]

4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

 

In McKee's 3 seasons as a Blue Bomber his success rate as a kicker was a dreadful 39.1%.

That's crazy!! I think even I could have hit 40% ( as long as the kicks were from 15 yards or closer).

[SpeedFlex27]

8 hours ago, blueingreenland said:

That's crazy!! I think even I could have hit 40% ( as long as the kicks were from 15 yards or closer).

I know with performances like that, it's a wonder soccer style kicking stayed around. I remember the debate at the time. That straight on kickers were more accurate but soccer style kickers had more range. Back in those days, there were a few high profile soccer style kickers that found success which spurred other younger kickers to take up that style of kicking. Pete Gogolak of the Giants. Jan Stenerud of the Chiefs, Roy Gerela of the Steelers & his brother Ted of the BC Lions. As kicking evolved & the science as well as the coaching improved to the point of where we are today. Today, it's hard to imagine a pro kicker that can't hit 40% of his kicks. As well as seeing straight on kickers. 

[SpeedFlex27]

Forgot to mention that defensive back Larry Kerychuk was Don Jonas holder in 71 & both Jonas & McKee in 72.  He retired after that season because of concussion issues.