Game 15 @ Vegas

[FrostyWinnipeg]

16 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Its a useless stat. You get a minus if u are on the ice when a goal is scored against you. So.. Lets do an example to prove @blue_gold_84 point.

+/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D.

I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out.

 

[Goalie]

35 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

+/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D.

I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out.

 

Its a horseshit stat. It doesn't mean anything. A guy who just steps on the ice when a goal is scored gets a minus. It tells u nothing

[HardCoreBlue]

26 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Its a horseshit stat. It doesn't mean anything. A guy who just steps on the ice when a goal is scored gets a minus. It tells u nothing

Maybe, maybe not depending on the scenario.

Evaluation on players defensive game ultimately comes through game tape. 

[blue_gold_84]

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

+/- is a real stat. Laine led the team last year. Was it coincidence? No, he was bad at playing D.

I'm not anti-Morrissey here. I think he's fine but maybe pair him up with Pionk ala Trouba if the others not working out.

It's not simply a matter of changing up the defense pairings.

+/- paints, at best, a blurry and incomplete picture. There's way too much variability in such a statistic, hence the criticism it's faced since it was first introduced and more so since analytics and possession metrics have been implemented. How is an arbitrary statistic like +/- a reliable way to assess a single player when there are typically five in total on the ice? If player A makes a mistake and it results in a goal against, players B through E all get a -1. That alone speaks to its flawed nature.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/just-doesnt-add-history-future-plus-minus/

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“[It is] the most useless statistic ever devised,” says Brian Burke, President of Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames. “It’s pretty simple. If your team stinks, so does your plus-minus. And it’s compounded if you play against the opposition’s top players.”

 

[Goalie]

3 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Maybe, maybe not depending on the scenario.

Evaluation on players defensive game ultimately comes through game tape. 

For sure and i think analytics plays a role. Personally i think some stats are flawed and i prefer the eye test.