J5V Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said: This comment aged well. Amazing what can happen in a week with a newly evolved virus in such an interconnected world. Just for reference, the WHO defines a pandemic as "the worldwide spread of a new (novel) disease," such as a virus. In the case of the rapid global spread of COVID-19, the WHO was being diligent and proactive in its application of the term pandemic. As we've seen over the last seven days, what most experts predicted is exactly what's happened. Thanks. Here's the Merriam Webster definition of a Pandemic ... pan·dem·ic | \ pan-ˈde-mik \ Definition of pandemic (Entry 1 of 2) : occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population //pandemic malaria //The 1918 flu was pandemic and claimed millions of lives. and the Oxford ... pandemic noun /pænˈdemɪk/ /pænˈdemɪk/ a disease that spreads over a whole country or the whole world Now let's see, how big is the spread, let's look at the U.S. COVID-19 U.S. Population: 327,000,000 Total cases: 15,219 Total deaths: 201 So less than .05% of the population. Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? And these are today's stats, not even the stats which were smaller when the WHO first made it's "pandemic" proclamation. You might also be interested to know that "In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season", according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), but there's no flu pandemic. What's happening in China ... "China has reported no new locally transmitted coronavirus cases for the first time since the pandemic began, marking a major turning point in the global battle to contain Covid-19". That doesn't sound very "pandemic"-like, does it. Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? How about Italy ... Italy Population: 60,000,000 Total cases: 15,000 Total deaths: 1000 Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? This is a hype-job of epic proportions. Give. me. a. break. Bigblue204 1
JCon Posted March 20, 2020 Author Report Posted March 20, 2020 They're preventing it from becoming another Spanish Flu. That's the point. That's the rationale for the extreme measures. Blueandgold, Geebrr, Bigblue204 and 6 others 1 8
17to85 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, J5V said: Now let's see, how big is the spread, let's look at the U.S. COVID-19 U.S. Population: 327,000,000 Total cases: 15,219 Total deaths: 201 So less than .05% of the population. Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? And these are today's stats, not even the stats which were smaller when the WHO first made it's "pandemic" proclamation. You might also be interested to know that "In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season", according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), but there's no flu pandemic. Yes Mr. Trump. You know that the american stats are unreliable because of their lack of testing right? In fact any percentage of the population you try and use right now is going to be a highly incomplete number simply because of the testing limitations. Lot of people will get this virus and have no idea that that's what it is because for most people it's going to be just another illness they get in the flu and cold season. It is also highly dubious to compare it to the flu. For one, we have a vaccine for the flu which can prevent further spread and many people have some built up immunity to it. This is a brand spanking new virus, no one has immunity and everyone is susceptible to it. Stop the misinformation in the name of arguing seblantics. Geebrr, Fred C Dobbs, bearpants and 9 others 12
blue_gold_84 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, JCon said: They're preventing it from becoming another Spanish Flu. That's the point. That's the rationale for the extreme measures. I like how he decided to whip out the dictionary and then bold out the portion that actually supports the WHO's literal usage of the term. "bUt It'S a HyPe JoB!" Bigblue204 1
J5V Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Yes Mr. Trump. You know that the american stats are unreliable because of their lack of testing right? In fact any percentage of the population you try and use right now is going to be a highly incomplete number simply because of the testing limitations. Lot of people will get this virus and have no idea that that's what it is because for most people it's going to be just another illness they get in the flu and cold season. It is also highly dubious to compare it to the flu. For one, we have a vaccine for the flu which can prevent further spread and many people have some built up immunity to it. This is a brand spanking new virus, no one has immunity and everyone is susceptible to it. Stop the misinformation in the name of arguing seblantics. It's all good, guys. You wanna hate on me for not buying into the hype, knock yourselves out.
Noeller Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, J5V said: It's all good, guys. You wanna hate on me for not buying into the hype, knock yourselves out. the issue I have is that people who don't take this seriously enough could end up killing someone. That's not hype, that's the reality of how quickly this thing spreads and could end up transmitting from you to a senior or immuno-comprimised person... blue_gold_84, JCon, Bigblue204 and 6 others 9
GCn20 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 If the WHO says it's a pandemic then it's a pandemic. They have the exclusive right to decide that whether anyone likes it or not. They have metrics and forecasting in place and don't make these decisions lightly or to try derail the Trump. blue_gold_84, Tracker, JCon and 3 others 1 5
GCn20 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Noeller said: the issue I have is that people who don't take this seriously enough could end up killing someone. That's not hype, that's the reality of how quickly this thing spreads and could end up transmitting from you to a senior or immuno-comprimised person... I agree. Why not err on the side of caution? Is that such a bad thing? As someone with health issues that put me at high risk if I contracted it, I beseech you all to please take this seriously. Edited March 20, 2020 by GCn20 MOBomberFan, Geebrr, Tracker and 6 others 4 5
J5V Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I agree. Why not err on the side of caution? Is that such a bad thing? As someone with health issues that put me at high risk if I contracted it, I beseech you all to please take this seriously. I also am in the high risk category. To anyone that actually listened I have been saying that the flu is killing a lot more people and damned right I wish people would take precautions. We have all been infected by flu-carriers that just didn't care. All I'm saying is, let's keep our perspective here as I believe this is blown out of proportion. “A pandemic has been declared, but not for the 24,600 who die every day from unnecessary starvation, and not for 3,000 children who die every day from preventable malaria, and not for the 10,000 people who die every day because they are denied publicly-funded healthcare, and not for the hundreds of Venezuelans and Iranians who die every day because America’s blockade denies them life-saving medicines, and not for the hundreds of mostly children bombed or starved to death every day in Yemen, in a war supplied and kept going, profitably, by America and Britain. Before you panic, consider them,” John Pilger.
MOBomberFan Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 I can only hope we are looking back in this saying 'man we went overboard' because that will mean we did an effective job of flattening the curve and preventing what we are seeing in Italy (bodies overflowing in crematoriums). I'd rather over react than under react. (That doesn't include hoarding) blue_gold_84, Bigblue204, bigg jay and 2 others 1 4
MOBomberFan Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 1000 isn't a lot of people until you ask the families of those 1000 people. Get on board the winning team and let's beat this thing people. Tracker and Noeller 1 1
blue_gold_84 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 Those are all obviously tragic things and nobody denies that. The world is a very cruel and unforgiving place. But this COVID-19 thing is different for a number of obvious reasons, hence how the world is responding to it. Emergency measures, border closures, shutdowns, etc. are happening because of the serious nature of this pandemic. Arguing otherwise is just tone deaf to the reality of the situation on this planet right now. To say the world's reaction this is overblown or disagree that it isn't a pandemic isn't reasonable. And resorting to whataboutism isn't reasonable, either. Tracker and Bigblue204 1 1
J5V Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: Those are all obviously tragic things and nobody denies that. The world is a very cruel and unforgiving place. But this COVID-19 thing is different for a number of obvious reasons, hence how the world is responding to it. Emergency measures, border closures, shutdowns, etc. are happening because of the serious nature of this pandemic. Arguing otherwise is just tone deaf to the reality of the situation on this planet right now. To say the world's reaction this is overblown or disagree that it isn't a pandemic isn't reasonable. And resorting to whataboutism isn't reasonable, either. It goes both ways blue_gold_84. I'm in conversations outside of this circle of my Blue Bomber Brethren where the concensus is the opposite and they see this as a full-blown hype-job. I know you know this but it bears repeating -- not everyone willingly swallows everything that the media pushes onto our plates. The WHO is far from a pristine innocent organisation free of the political trapping of any big organisation and the influences they are subject to. Please don't confuse not buying into the hype with a cavalier attitude towards this thing. Is it serious? Of course. Do we need to take measures to stop it's spread. Yes. Is it a killer? Yes. And you can say the same for the flu which (currently) has a lot higher death count. Tracker 1
JCon Posted March 20, 2020 Author Report Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, J5V said: It goes both ways blue_gold_84. I'm in conversations outside of this circle of my Blue Bomber Brethren where the concensus is the opposite and they see this as a full-blown hype-job. I know you know this but it bears repeating -- not everyone willingly swallows everything that the media pushes onto our plates. The WHO is far from a pristine innocent organisation free of the political trapping of any big organisation and the influences they are subject to. Please don't confuse not buying into the hype with a cavalier attitude towards this thing. Is it serious? Of course. Do we need to take measures to stop it's spread. Yes. Is it a killer? Yes. And you can say the same for the flu which (currently) has a lot higher death count. This isn't the media. It's science. Not wanting to believe it is simply typical of this era. Reject science because it doesn't conform with what you believe. TBURGESS, bb.king, blue_gold_84 and 1 other 3 1
JCon Posted March 20, 2020 Author Report Posted March 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, J5V said: I also am in the high risk category. We're doing it for you. We're sending our love down the well! J5V, blue_gold_84, Noeller and 1 other 4
blue_gold_84 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, J5V said: It goes both ways blue_gold_84. I'm in conversations outside of this circle of my Blue Bomber Brethren where the concensus is the opposite and they see this as a full-blown hype-job. I know you know this but it bears repeating -- not everyone willingly swallows everything that the media pushes onto our plates. The WHO is far from a pristine innocent organisation free of the political trapping of any big organisation and the influences they are subject to. Please don't confuse not buying into the hype with a cavalier attitude towards this thing. Is it serious? Of course. Do we need to take measures to stop it's spread. Yes. Is it a killer? Yes. And you can say the same for the flu which (currently) has a lot higher death count. It doesn't go both ways when there's a consensus among experts in their respective fields saying this needs to be taken seriously. It's no different than any other consensus based on scientific data. Yeah, the media has a tendency to sensationalize what it reports but that's neither here nor there when rates of infection along with death tolls continue to rise. To what influences is the WHO subject where it would be dramatizing this type of global event, anyway? And no offense, but calling this overblown and labeling it a hype job when the data flies in the face of both terms is about as cavalier as it gets. You can't show a lack of concern and then say "of course it's serious." BigBlueFanatic and Tracker 2
Noeller Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, JCon said: We're doing it for you. We're sending our love down the well! ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE WAY DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.......... JCon, J5V, rebusrankin and 1 other 4
J5V Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 You guys are missing the point but it's all good. Best wishes. Stay safe! End of topic for me. Let's talk football. JCon 1
Bigblue204 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Noeller said: the issue I have is that people who don't take this seriously enough could end up killing multiple people. That's not hype, that's the reality of how quickly this thing spreads and could end up transmitting from you to a senior or immuno-comprimised person... FTFY ****'s airborne. All someone has to do is breathe near you and you can get it. People who don't take it seriously can very much impact a large amount of people in a very short amount of time. Edited March 20, 2020 by Bigblue204 Noeller, blue_gold_84 and Tracker 1 2
Dr Zaius Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) Rider's draft pick and U of M alum Onyemata re-signs with the saints. 3 years, 27 million. Good for him and glad to know he'll never wear a Rider's jersey. Edited March 20, 2020 by Dr Zaius Bigblue204, bigg jay, J5V and 3 others 6
Bigblue204 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Posted March 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, J5V said: I also am in the high risk category. To anyone that actually listened I have been saying that the flu is killing a lot more people and damned right I wish people would take precautions. We have all been infected by flu-carriers that just didn't care. All I'm saying is, let's keep our perspective here as I believe this is blown out of proportion. “A pandemic has been declared, but not for the 24,600 who die every day from unnecessary starvation, and not for 3,000 children who die every day from preventable malaria, and not for the 10,000 people who die every day because they are denied publicly-funded healthcare, and not for the hundreds of Venezuelans and Iranians who die every day because America’s blockade denies them life-saving medicines, and not for the hundreds of mostly children bombed or starved to death every day in Yemen, in a war supplied and kept going, profitably, by America and Britain. Before you panic, consider them,” John Pilger. While all of that is horrible. NON OF IT IS VIRAL. I will not catch starvation because my Mother in law visited a country with Starvation. It's extremely simple to understand. This is NOT JUST ANOTHER FLU. IT IS MUCH WORSE (what I mean by that is what it does to the body, and not just the current death toll)....or at least, COULD be much worse. We can over react now, and this will pass in a few months/a year. Or we can do nothing and reduce our population by literally millions of people. I posted a report ( i think in the general discussion COVID thread) that showed how things would play out if the States did 3 things. 1 was nothing. 2nd was doing what their doing now. and the 3rd was extreme lock down measures. None of it is good. But 2 and 3 were still much much better then 1. Edited March 20, 2020 by Bigblue204 blue_gold_84 and JCon 2
17to85 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Posted March 21, 2020 5 hours ago, J5V said: It's all good, guys. You wanna hate on me for not buying into the hype, knock yourselves out. I am not hating, I am trying to enlighten you and help you see why this is a big deal. But apparently you've made up your mind. You're wrong, but you ain't changing your mind because feels apparently. Tracker, blue_gold_84 and Noeller 2 1
WBBFanWest Posted March 21, 2020 Report Posted March 21, 2020 7 hours ago, J5V said: Thanks. Here's the Merriam Webster definition of a Pandemic ... pan·dem·ic | \ pan-ˈde-mik \ Definition of pandemic (Entry 1 of 2) : occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population //pandemic malaria //The 1918 flu was pandemic and claimed millions of lives. and the Oxford ... pandemic noun /pænˈdemɪk/ /pænˈdemɪk/ a disease that spreads over a whole country or the whole world Now let's see, how big is the spread, let's look at the U.S. COVID-19 U.S. Population: 327,000,000 Total cases: 15,219 Total deaths: 201 So less than .05% of the population. Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? And these are today's stats, not even the stats which were smaller when the WHO first made it's "pandemic" proclamation. You might also be interested to know that "In the U.S. alone, the flu has caused an estimated 36 million illnesses, 370,000 hospitalizations and 22,000 deaths this season", according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), but there's no flu pandemic. What's happening in China ... "China has reported no new locally transmitted coronavirus cases for the first time since the pandemic began, marking a major turning point in the global battle to contain Covid-19". That doesn't sound very "pandemic"-like, does it. Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? How about Italy ... Italy Population: 60,000,000 Total cases: 15,000 Total deaths: 1000 Does that sound like "an exceptionally high proportion of the population", or "millions of lives"? This is a hype-job of epic proportions. Give. me. a. break. Pro tip: when you are not an expert in the field, and lives are at stake, maybe defer to the experts and shut the hell up. blue_gold_84, GCJenks, Tracker and 2 others 2 3
17to85 Posted March 21, 2020 Report Posted March 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Noeller said: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE WAY DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.......... Shhh he's a good digger Noeller 1
Geebrr Posted March 21, 2020 Report Posted March 21, 2020 Usually I wouldn't care if someone has a crazy opinion/conspiracy. However, this misinformed thinking literally harms people. So frustrating. blue_gold_84, Noeller and Bigblue204 1 2
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