Dodge and Burn Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 2:29 AM, 66 Chevelle said: you know what you call a wide receiver that can't catch? a defensive back... lucky for Collaros he ran into a lot of these guys over the last 2 games or he would already have a 6 or 7 in the INT column... Expand Yup. True.
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) but I will say that I like the combo attack of Zach and Chris and even said before the game that I was hoping that Lapo had spent the 2 weeks prior to the game putting together a dynamic game plan featuring them both... I'm not sure that it was actually dynamic but it did work and hope to see more of it this week... I had even suggested they do that with Nichols earlier in the year before he got hurt... Edited November 14, 2019 by 66 Chevelle
blue_or_die Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 2:29 AM, Fansince79 said: I’m not buying the Fajardo and Shaq Evans game time decision injuries. This is all posturing and a smoke screen. Both will play, and if they don’t and we win Rider fans will cry that we didn’t beat their best. And I’ll be loving it. Expand That's fine. Anytime they dismiss us beating them because they have injuries we can just #2007 them. If KJo had his arm broken instead of Glenn and we won, there would still be a new thread about that every week on RF.
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 I think that if we don't win it all we're in for a healthy dose of 'if Nichols hadn't gotten hurt' for months to come from our own fan base... we've got more than 1 enabler in our midst...
Dodge and Burn Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 2:56 AM, 66 Chevelle said: I think that if we don't win it all we're in for a healthy dose of 'if Nichols hadn't gotten hurt' for months to come from our own fan base... we've got more than 1 enabler in our midst... Expand I doubt it. We lose, all attention goes to the FA qb's that make it to the market. Regardless of what happens this year? I don't think the Bomber brass hold pat with what we have. If Arbucle and or Masoli make it to FA we make a push for one of them. I vote Masoli. 66 Chevelle 1
JCon Posted November 14, 2019 Author Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:21 AM, Dodge and Burn said: I doubt it. We lose, all attention goes to the FA qb's that make it to the market. Regardless of what happens this year? I don't think the Bomber brass hold pat with what we have. If Arbucle and or Masoli make it to FA we make a push for one of them. I vote Masoli. Expand Hard "no" on Masoli. Noeller and Firekid 2
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:21 AM, Dodge and Burn said: I doubt it. We lose, all attention goes to the FA qb's that make it to the market. Regardless of what happens this year? I don't think the Bomber brass hold pat with what we have. If Arbucle and or Masoli make it to FA we make a push for one of them. I vote Masoli. Expand I hope you're right... but I think we are now back in a place where we actually have a legit chance to win it all... I am not concerned at all about going into Regina and taking care of business... I think we win going away, and it will be sweet... I agree with you on the Massoli vote... that's where I'd want to see us move if possible but I don't think he'd be interested if Lapo is staying on board... he is totally the opposite of what Lapo wants to do...
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:24 AM, JCon said: Hard "no" on Masoli. Expand why the 'no' on Masoli? I think we still haven't seen his best ball yet...
Tiny759 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 2:56 AM, 66 Chevelle said: I think that if we don't win it all we're in for a healthy dose of 'if Nichols hadn't gotten hurt' for months to come from our own fan base... we've got more than 1 enabler in our midst... Expand I don’t think it will be like that. Most people realize Matt and zach and very similar qbs in our system.
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:26 AM, Tiny759 said: I don’t think it will be like that. Most people realize Matt and zach and very similar qbs in our system. Expand I will admit, I didn't have to live thru the lean years of Bomber football caused by bad QB play... and it is nice to finally be back on the winning side of things primarily because of competent QB play... but for some, you'd think that he has cured cancer or something, lol...
White Out Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 Whatever the results are this season, if we don't make a concerted effort on signing Arbuckle or Masoli I will have big questions about what the **** we are thinking
JCon Posted November 14, 2019 Author Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:25 AM, 66 Chevelle said: why the 'no' on Masoli? I think we still haven't seen his best ball yet... Expand Oh, yes, we have. He a system QB who's only done well in Condell's (Jones') offence. He's coming off a major knee injury. He's going to get paid more than he's worth. He's too erratic. Firekid and Noeller 2
Tiny759 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:29 AM, 66 Chevelle said: I will admit, I didn't have to live thru the lean years of Bomber football caused by bad QB play... and it is nice to finally be back on the winning side of things primarily because of competent QB play... but for some, you'd think that he has cured cancer or something, lol... Expand It’s that “new kid on the block” type of mentality. Same thing how people think strev is second coming of Jesus. When people were calling for Nichols to start in 2016 because he was also the new and greatest thing. Or How Drew willy was gonna completely turn us around. The back up qb is the most popular person in the cfl lol or the bombers at least.
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) On 2019-11-14 at 1:50 AM, Zontar said: Clements was a natural introvert , intellectual...maybe a little dour. Lots of fans mistook it for not caring so when things went bad and Clements said little or nothing fans got snarly. Nary a defender when he was run out of here in 1983. Expand He was revered in Winnipeg. So, in 86 we had Clements, Hufnagel, former Seattle great Jim Zorn & a young Tom Muecke on our practice roster. Talk about a stacked line up at qb. Edited November 14, 2019 by SpeedFlex27
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:32 AM, JCon said: Oh, yes, we have. He a system QB who's only done well in Condell's (Jones') offence. He's coming off a major knee injury. He's going to get paid more than he's worth. He's too erratic. Expand he can be a bit of a 'playground football' type of guy but it seems to work for him more times than not... but I'd rather pay him than re-up with Nichols for north of $450K... On 2019-11-14 at 3:36 AM, Tiny759 said: It’s that “new kid on the block” type of mentality. Same thing how people think strev is second coming of Jesus. When people were calling for Nichols to start in 2016 because he was also the new and greatest thing. Or How Drew willy was gonna completely turn us around. The back up qb is the most popular person in the cfl lol or the bombers at least. Expand I guess so... I actually have nothing against Nichols, just don't feel like he is that dynamic type of play maker that will put a team over the top consistently or because of him... he'll win you a lot of regular season games but he hasn't shown me that he's the man to bet on in the big game... plays way to safe and safe equates to average... you might not be losing because of him but you're probably winning in spite of him...
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:44 AM, 66 Chevelle said: he can be a bit of a 'playground football' type of guy but it seems to work for him more times than not... but I'd rather pay him than re-up with Nichols for north of $450K... I guess so... I actually have nothing against Nichols, just don't feel like he is that dynamic type of play maker that will put a team over the top consistently or because of him... he'll win you a lot of regular season games but he hasn't shown me that he's the man to bet on in the big game... plays way to safe and safe equates to average... you might not be losing because of him but you're probably winning in spite of him... Expand "Way to safe" means Nichols avoids turn overs. How long would he play if he forced the ball & had 25 interceptions every season? Fans would be screaming for the Bombers to get rid of him. Ball security is a big part of today's game. Bigger than it was a generation ago. TBURGESS and Rod Black 2
blueingreenland Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 1:50 AM, Zontar said: Clements was a natural introvert , intellectual...maybe a little dour. Lots of fans mistook it for not caring so when things went bad and Clements said little or nothing fans got snarly. Nary a defender when he was run out of here in 1983. Expand Yeah Clements was quiet. But I don't remember fans getting snarly when he said nothing. (I just forgot, I guess.)All I remember is him dissecting defenses. Yes, we should have beaten T.O. in 1987, but they had a good defense too. It was Brock who was run out of here in '83...Clements retired before the '88 season. Fans and media called him "Tom Terrific". Anyways...carry on... HardCoreBlue 1
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:54 AM, SpeedFlex27 said: "Way to safe" means Nichols avoids turn overs. How long would he play if he forced the ball & had 25 interceptions every season? Fans would be screaming for the Bombers to get rid of him. Ball security is a big part of today's game. Bigger than it was a generation ago. Expand but it also translates into a lot of '2 and outs' , punts, and late game stalls of the offense... it would be nice to be in a position that when you're down in the later half of a game that you actually feel like you have a legit shot of coming back and winning... I didn't get that feeling with Lapo and Nichols... I'm not talking about getting stupid with the ball... but it would help if Lapo had better game plans and scheme for him to work out of that could reduce some of that risk as well... Mitchell and Reilly both throw more INTs than Nichols but you don't hear anyone complaining about them, actually quite the opposite...
lyin' guy Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 3:24 AM, JCon said: Hard "no" on Masoli. Expand Masoli to Ottawa JCon, Wanna-B-Fanboy and Noeller 3
SpeedFlex27 Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 4:00 AM, 66 Chevelle said: but it also translates into a lot of '2 and outs' , punts, and late game stalls of the offense... it would be nice to be in a position that when you're down in the later half of a game that you actually feel like you have a legit shot of coming back and winning... I didn't get that feeling with Lapo and Nichols... I'm not talking about getting stupid with the ball... but it would help if Lapo had better game plans and scheme for him to work out of that could reduce some of that risk as well... Mitchell and Reilly both throw more INTs than Nichols but you don't hear anyone complaining about them, actually quite the opposite... Expand I'll take a qb who values ball security over a guy who is a gunslinger everyday of the week & twice on Sunday. Do I like LaPo's offense? Not a chance but to me, Nichols could play in & do quite well in another OC's system.
Brandon Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 Masoli would be decent IF HEALTHY.... I wouldn't expect smart play but I would expect at least a lot more mobility and many times he can make plays out of nothing.
Brandon Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 4:17 AM, SpeedFlex27 said: I'll take a qb who values ball security over a guy who is a gunslinger everyday of the week & twice on Sunday. Do I like LaPo's offense? Not a chance but to me, Nichols could play in & do quite well in another OC's system. Expand Even with his mobility issues and frequent injuries? NorthernSkunk 1
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 4:17 AM, SpeedFlex27 said: I'll take a qb who values ball security over a guy who is a gunslinger everyday of the week & twice on Sunday. Do I like LaPo's offense? Not a chance but to me, Nichols could play in & do quite well in another OC's system. Expand now I would agree with that... and he showed that for a brief time earlier this year, but, when he struggled at Hamilton early this year Lapo went right back to the dink and dunk and he wasn't the same for the rest of the year... in my opinion anyway... I use to think Lapo did what he did because of Nichols... this year I saw that wasn't the case, it's Lapo holding others back... he does the same with the receivers and the way that he uses them... but, here's the kicker... you willing to pay Nichols north of $450K to keep him and the safe game play that may or may result in playoff success? that's a lot of coin...
66 Chevelle Posted November 14, 2019 Report Posted November 14, 2019 On 2019-11-14 at 4:20 AM, Brandon said: Even with his mobility issues and frequent injuries? Expand I think this year really showed that nobody or any team is safe for the chance of injury to their QB... this year was brutal on QBs...
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