The Winnipeg Thread

[Wideleft]

Just now, JCon said:

In this day and age with online harassments and an inability to track or police it, we shouldn't publish anyone's names. You can still post the average and mean for each position category, without publishing a name. I'm not really certain what publishing the name aims to achieve?

 

But I definitely do not want the names of police published. 

It's all or no one for me.  Publishing public sector salaries is a way for governments to keep them down.  They are provided without context (no mention of whether they have had a raise in 5 years, no mention of OT as part of that income, no context for teachers who coach/mentor after hours etc.).

There's always the Finnish approach.

How much money do you earn? It’s a difficult question to ask and to answer. Money is something that feels intensely personal, especially as society so often drills into people the message that income is wrapped up in self-worth. Few people are open to friends, or even their family, about how much they earn.

In Finland, however, any stranger can find out. Every year on Nov. 1, dubbed “National Jealousy Day,” every Finnish citizen’s taxable income is revealed, searchable by anyone.

 

“The annual orgy of financial voyeurism might raise eyebrows in other parts of the world, but it remains an important national event in Finland,” says Finnish news broadcaster Yle Uutiset.

Finnish journalists trawl through the data to discover the highest-paid Finns, to uncover what celebrities are paid ― this year the country’s most famous porn star, Anssi Viskari, reportedly earned 23,826 euros ($27,200), according to The New York Times ― and to shame those who haven’t been paying their fair share of taxes.

For some of those who paid the most in taxes, there is a palpable sense of pride. Among the top earners this year, and indeed for several years now, are the founders of Supercell, a Finnish game developer; Ilka Paananen and Mikko Kodisoja earned the equivalent of about $74 million and $65 million, respectively. In 2014, Paananen said, “We’ve received so much help from (Finnish) society, it’s our turn to pay it back.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/finland-taxable-income-salary-transparency_n_5bdc520fe4b01ffb1d0170ec

 

[Brandon]

3 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Not being sarcastic and why would a cop concerned about their identity be on social media?

If you ever get a chance ,  speak to one and they can tell you lots of stories. 

How about say if police officer Joe Smith is on facebook and has a picture of his wife and children and the grand parents.    Criminal X sees this and finds where he lives and says "If anyone comes after our gang I will shoot and kill child a and child b and the grandparents" if you tell anyone about this conversation they will all be killed.   

It is bizarre that you do not understand this.  

[Wideleft]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

If you ever get a chance ,  speak to one and they can tell you lots of stories. 

How about say if police officer Joe Smith is on facebook and has a picture of his wife and children and the grand parents.    Criminal X sees this and finds where he lives and says "If anyone comes after our gang I will shoot and kill child a and child b and the grandparents" if you tell anyone about this conversation they will all be killed.   

It is bizarre that you do not understand this.  

It's bizarre that you think Officer Joe Smith should be on Facebook posting pictures of his wife and kids if you think he's concerned about his family.

[Noeller]

10 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

It's bizarre that you think Officer Joe Smith should be on Facebook posting pictures of his wife and kids if you think he's concerned about his family.

Every single cop is concerned about their family and that is why most are not on social media. I hesitate to even say that I have 3 cops in my family. 2 federal and one civic. They have varying levels of concern, but all are concerned and have had incidents to back it up. 2 are on social media, one uses a fake name. 

[Wideleft]

2 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Every single cop is concerned about their family and that is why most are not on social media. I hesitate to even say that I have 3 cops in my family. 2 federal and one civic. They have varying levels of concern, but all are concerned and have had incidents to back it up. 2 are on social media, one uses a fake name. 

Totally reasonable response and it's not like you can't lock that **** down to a select group of people if you want.  I'm on facebook under my real name, but you'd never know what I looked like or where I work if you weren't in my allowed group.

[Brandon]

19 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

It's bizarre that you think Officer Joe Smith should be on Facebook posting pictures of his wife and kids if you think he's concerned about his family.

No it's bizarre that you would want Officer Joe Smith's name among every other name on a public list?  What benefit is that for anyone outside  of criminals getting an easy list handed to them?

Edited September 16, 2022 by Brandon

[Wideleft]

2 minutes ago, Brandon said:

No it's bizarre that you would want Officer Joe Smith's name among every other name on a public list?  What benefit is that for anyone outside  of criminals getting an easy list handed to them?

What benefit is it to have an abortion doctors name on a public list?  Or a teachers?  Every PD employee is listed under their employee # regardless of their job description.  

You don't seem to get that I'm speaking about the inequity of it all.

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Wideleft said:

What benefit is it to have an abortion doctors name on a public list?  Or a teachers?  Every PD employee is listed under their employee # regardless of their job description.  

You don't seem to get that I'm speaking about the inequity of it all.

I don't believe a teacher or an abortion  doctor deal with criminal activity?         

Any policing agency would never release an employee # to the public for people to match up.   

[Wideleft]

5 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I don't believe a teacher or an abortion  doctor deal with criminal activity?         

Any policing agency would never release an employee # to the public for people to match up.   

Do you not remember doctors, nurses, school principals, teachers and politicians being threatened during the COVID pandemic?  Do you not know that abortion doctors have been assassinated?

[Brandon]

12 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Do you not remember doctors, nurses, school principals, teachers and politicians being threatened during the COVID pandemic?  Do you not know that abortion doctors have been assassinated?

I don't believe I read any articles in Winnipeg about any of what you wrote above.    I do however know many officers and guards who refuse to go to certain places such as the Red River Ex out of fear of retaliation.     

[Bigblue204]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I don't believe I read any articles in Winnipeg about any of what you wrote above.    I do however know many officers and guards who refuse to go to certain places such as the Red River Ex out of fear of retaliation.     

I believe there was a Doctor shot (because he did abortions) and killed while on vacation. Also not everything makes the news...in fact...most incidents don't. On top of that, even if it hasn't happened here it's likely only a matter of time/why take the chance?

[Wideleft]

8 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I don't believe I read any articles in Winnipeg about any of what you wrote above.    I do however know many officers and guards who refuse to go to certain places such as the Red River Ex out of fear of retaliation.     

Read.  More.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/southern-manitoba-doctors-threats-1.6204036

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/04/08/steinbach-school-staff-express-safety-concerns-after-disruptive-protest.html

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2022/02/10/steinbach-anti-mandate-protest-forces-school-into-lockdown

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vaccine-protest-hsc-1.6161892

 

[JCon]

I haven't heard anyone argue that anyone's names should be published, regardless of whether or not they're police? 

If I'm understanding the arguments correctly, Wideleft doesn't believe that the police should be exempt but believes no ones names should be published? And, the counters are that police should not be published, regardless of what names are being published. 

Has anyone argued in favour of publishing names?

[Tracker]

6 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Do you not remember doctors, nurses, school principals, teachers and politicians being threatened during the COVID pandemic?  Do you not know that abortion doctors have been assassinated?

These named professions are not the only ones to receive death threats- so have parole officers, lawyers, social workers, mental health professionals to name but a few. In my previous work, I did as well- some were from people I was not related or married to.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Tracker

[Fatty Liver]

6 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

I believe there was a Doctor shot (because he did abortions) and killed while on vacation. Also not everything makes the news...in fact...most incidents don't. On top of that, even if it hasn't happened here it's likely only a matter of time/why take the chance?

Here are the details of the Wpg. doctor shot by a sniper, he was wounded but did not die till many years later while on vacation in Mexico.  An American anti-abortion activist who murdered an abortion doctor in NY State was suspected but never charged.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-abortion-provider-talks-of-sniper-attack-1.1125073

Edited September 17, 2022 by Fatty Liver

[TrueBlue4ever]

3 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

Here are the details of the Wpg. doctor shot by a sniper, he was wounded but did not die till many years later while on vacation in Mexico.  An American anti-abortion activist who murdered an abortion doctor in NY State was suspected but never charged.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-abortion-provider-talks-of-sniper-attack-1.1125073

Happened five doors down from my house. 

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Happened five doors down from my house. 

What was your alibi?

[TrueBlue4ever]

16 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

What was your alibi?

[FrostyWinnipeg]

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2022/09/22/city-police-use-decoy-bikes-to-arrest-four-thieves

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/oklahoma-city-winnipeg-state-of-the-downtown-1.6593668

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As Winnipeg emerges from an era of lockdowns and public health restrictions and begins to look at ways to revitalize the downtown, some are pointing to a city south of the border for ideas.

Mick Cornett, the former mayor of Oklahoma City, Ok., is the keynote speaker at Winnipeg's first State of the Downtown event, hosted by the Winnipeg Chamber of Commerce, Downtown BIZ and Exchange District BIZ.

Fortune Magazine named Cornett one of the the 50 greatest leaders in the world for his work revitalizing the city.

The hosts of Winnipeg's State of the Downtown are billing it as an event where the community can envision and explore the future of the city's gathering place.

"We know there's plenty that makes downtown Winnipeg vibrant and unique. We also know there are many opportunities to grow as we recover and build back some of the momentum lost over the pandemic," Downtown BIZ marketing director Pam Hardman wrote in an email on Friday.

"We're looking forward to the learnings Mick will share from the growth in Oklahoma City's core, and hope that attendees of Tuesday's event walk away with a renewed understanding of why downtown matters."

 

[Brandon]

Unfortunately Winnipeg doesn't have nearly enough money to revitalize downtown to a point where people would actually come back.       Also the city would have to crack down majorly on panhandling,  public intoxication, loitering, etc....     Add in the terrible climate for a good chunk of the year and it's basically an impossible task. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

7 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/oklahoma-city-winnipeg-state-of-the-downtown-1.6593668

Okay as someone who has been there upteen times they've done a great job. Absolutely made going downtown worthwhile.

Having said that the cost was massive. They basically took their exchange district, fixed it up with stores, restaurants, movie theatres, plopped in a AAA stadium and this is the part that is truly impressive and I wish we did it here...they gutted out some streets and put in a canal that people can take tourist boats on. 

Just need a billion or 2 and twice the population to do the same thing but its a very similar situation.

[Brandon]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-murray-pembina-1.6599463?

 

I'm shocked the CBC would publish such a salacious take on Glen Murray.  I wonder if this will impact his numbers once the word gets out?

[bustamente]

There are some dubious characters running for Mayor once again, I'm sure the people of Winnipeg will make the wrong pick and Winnipeg will continue to regress.

[JCon]

I don't understand how someone could vote for Murray.