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bigg jay
bigg jay

My condolences to you and your family.  I can unfortunately relate... my brother passed away on Sunday (some may remember him from here & the old OB forum as Taynted_Fayth) so we're also trying to

WildPath
WildPath

I am a teacher and also immunocompromised. I got my first shot this week. It was neither being a teacher, nor having an autoimmune disease that qualified me to be vaccinated. My autoimmune condition p

Mark H.
Mark H.

I have had a positive covid test. Being double-vaxxed I had just mild symptoms, but they fit the description, so I got tested. It started on Friday & I am 80% better already. It literally felt lik

Floyd Collaborator

Floyd

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56 minutes ago, Noeller said:

What kind of monster do you have to be that this doesn't make sense to you...??

What kind of a monster do you have to be to shrug off willfully destroying someone's life's work?  Where do people go once their small business is destroyed and they're say 506- years old - work at WalMart?

We absolutely have to be addressing the long-term care home situation... 20% of cases are over 70 and they account for 80-85% of deaths, most of those in nursing homes and most of those due to overcrowding

 

 

Floyd Collaborator

Floyd

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30 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Hmm. That 80 year old has seen their life's work been destroyed as well through no fault of their own. They didn't ask to have Dementia, Cancer or Alzheimer's. Or anyone of a thousand sicknesses, diseases or afflictions we could get. What you just posted above is the most pathetic, selfish & heartless thing I have ever read here. You.  Should.  Just.  Stop. Now. 

What point are you making besides once again being morally outraged without actually thinking through the post?

I'm responding to 17to85's suggestion that we shouldn't care that we destroy someone's small business because it will just be replaced by another.

So if you're going to start ranting about me wanting to kill people with dementia or some crap like that. Just. F**k. Right. Off.

TrueBlue4ever Grand Master

TrueBlue4ever

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3 hours ago, J5V said:

AtlanticRiderFan's numbers were based on total population, yours on number of cases. 

Death rate of Denmark= 273/6369*100= 4.3%
Death rate of Sweden=899/10483*100=8.6%

The number I saw from last week for Sweden was 400 but we'll use your figure of 477.
477/10483*100 equals 4.55% which is virtually identical to Denmark's 4.3% so I'll stand on those numbers.

I won't call you a liar and claim you made stuff up as that would be attacking you personally. I'll just assume you made a mistake in comparing apples to oranges.

 

When Sweden had 477 deaths, they didn’t the same 10,483 cases that they have now. Both the number of deaths and number of cases have risen in the last week. When Sweden had only 477 deaths they also had only 7200 cases, not 10483, so their rate was 6.6%, not 4.5%. The liar comment was heavy-handed, sorry   Statistics matter when making a point on either side. 

SpeedFlex27 Grand Master

SpeedFlex27

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52 minutes ago, Floyd said:

What point are you making besides once again being morally outraged without actually thinking through the post?

I'm responding to 17to85's suggestion that we shouldn't care that we destroy someone's small business because it will just be replaced by another.

So if you're going to start ranting about me wanting to kill people with dementia or some crap like that. Just. F**k. Right. Off.

What's your point? That old people with Dementia deserve to sacrifice their lives for you because you own a business? My Dad died of Dementia. 

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J5V Newbie

J5V

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2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

That has been going on for a long long time already and it's your type of attitudes that keep it going. You know how you counteract that? Good old fashioned socialism where you tax the wealthy and give social programs and support to the middle and lower classes... exactly what is starting to happen during a lockdown. 

Out of crisis comes opportunity and if businesses fail, there will be opportunities for new ones to take their place in the recovery. 

Status quo wasn't working. This can be a shakeup to actually make changes that improve things. 

Please tell me about my attitude and then I'll tell you about yours.

I didn't know confining me to my home was socialism, or draining my EI account, or casting millions into unemployment, or bankrupting businesses, or collapsing the value of stocks, or collapsing the value of my RRSPs, or removing my rights.

In your rainbow & unicorn world what percentage of tax do the wealthiest Canadians (the 1 percenters) pay? Remember, they don't work. Now compare that to the working middle class people of this country and tell me who bears the weight of taxes in this country. Do you seriously think that's going to improve things during this lockdown? What happens when there are no more tax revenues for our government to hand out because we aren't working? Do you think the big corporations that have been shipping our jobs to Mexico are suddenly going to step in and save us? Odd, I haven't heard from any of the big corporations in this country during this lockdown. Do you really think the govt (Mr. Trudeau) is going to make them pay for this lockdown? 

J5V Newbie

J5V

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2 hours ago, Noeller said:

What kind of monster do you have to be that this doesn't make sense to you...??

A logical Vulcan?  😉

 

J5V Newbie

J5V

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1 hour ago, Floyd said:

What kind of a monster do you have to be to shrug off willfully destroying someone's life's work?  Where do people go once their small business is destroyed and they're say 506- years old - work at WalMart?

We absolutely have to be addressing the long-term care home situation... 20% of cases are over 70 and they account for 80-85% of deaths, most of those in nursing homes and most of those due to overcrowding

We can't just flush the economy. It's going to be a balancing act of priorities. 

1. Save lives
2. Save the economy (small businesses, jobs)
3. Prepare for recovery

J5V Newbie

J5V

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1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

When Sweden had 477 deaths, they didn’t the same 10,483 cases that they have now. Both the number of deaths and number of cases have risen in the last week. When Sweden had only 477 deaths they also had only 7200 cases, not 10483, so their rate was 6.6%, not 4.5%. The liar comment was heavy-handed, sorry   Statistics matter when making a point on either side. 

Yeah, I messed that up badly. My apologies. You're right. In my defense, in the video, the gentleman being interviewed said that Sweden and Denmark had roughly the same death rate. When I referred to that comment I prefaced it with "If that's true" (then what's the point of the lockdown). I didn't realise he was off as much as he was. Sweden is definitely taking it on the chin right now but they have managed it and haven't overwhelmed their health system.

If x number of people are going to die regardless, what does it matter if they die in a short, tall curve or a longer, flattened curve provided your health system doesn't get overwhelmed? It remains to be seen what the final result is. Maybe they're looking at it like a battle. They'd rather charge and take the hill all at once rather than try to inch their way along and take it slowly. It could very well be the death toll is the same either way.

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J5V Newbie

J5V

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56 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

What's your point? That old people with Dementia deserve to sacrifice their lives for you because you own a business? My Dad died of Dementia. 

If you had to make a choice between yourself and a younger person what choice would you make? I think I know the answer and why. 

SpeedFlex27 Grand Master

SpeedFlex27

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1 hour ago, J5V said:

If you had to make a choice between yourself and a younger person what choice would you make? I think I know the answer and why. 

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Yeah, everyone over the age of 60 is going to sacrifice their lives for a 30 year old because that is the right thing to do.

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J5V

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40 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yeah, everyone over the age of 60 is going to sacrifice their lives for a 30 year old because that is the right thing to do.

I'm just saying it has been done before. "Adult Hero Saves Kid By Sacrificing Himself", "Details at 6:00".

SpeedFlex27 Grand Master

SpeedFlex27

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14 minutes ago, J5V said:

I'm just saying it has been done before. "Adult Hero Saves Kid By Sacrificing Himself", "Details at 6:00".

More like Man jumps in river to save young boy. Gets sept away by current. That's a one off reactionary situation. 

Floyd Collaborator

Floyd

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3 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

What's your point? That old people with Dementia deserve to sacrifice their lives for you because you own a business? My Dad died of Dementia. 

My cousin has dementia - I just visited him before this broke out.  He's probably scared right now and wondering why no one is visiting him. 

Do you think they deserve to die alone while we hide from covid?  Should we not find a way to secure their health AND let them see their family?

If we really lived in a world where we could save all covid patients and not hurt anything else, sure I would support that...

But aside from being willing to destroy businesses, put us into a structural deficit which will result in health care cuts 5-10 years from now, likely a recession or depression, etc etc etc...

We are running out of blood supply, medical supplies are being diverted just to covid, CT scans are cancelled and other tests, communities are going to run low on food - we have a shitstorm of problems on the horizon...

My business is fine - booming in fact - but I see every restaurant, bar, storefront, contractor, etc shut down in Whitehorse entering the only real time of the year we have to make a living...  the price will be far higher than the government can cover.

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