Covid-19

[Mark H.]

37 minutes ago, Tracker said:

We have not seen the worst out of the US yet. There is an unholy alliance there of the fundamentalist preachers, neo-nazis and business to push for a relaxing of pretty much all restrictions, and these are Trump/GOP core supporters. Even before now, there was a lot of disregarding of restrictions in Trump's heartland.  Moreover, the pandemic is set to ravage the deep south and poor white communities as the health services are rudimentary at best- did you know that Doctors Without Borders have set up tent clinics in west Virginia where the life expectancy hovers in the 50's and the infant mortality is that of a third world. And these clinics were met with hostility and even threats. Someone described the US as a third-world country with Iphones.

But there’s so much comfort in conspiracy theories.  It’s interesting how all the Covid 19 conspiracies have a common denominator - they all originate in the U.S., revolve around U.S. medical professionals, and tend to side with Trump. 

[Mark H.]

3 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Back when it was like 5000 people were complaining that it was just a flu and why don’t people care about the flu as much.  Those people had poor comprehension skills and were pushing an agenda but still.  Sadly they were wrong.  We all knew it.  Perhaps they can’t post an apology lol. But still it’s awful and the people laughing this off at the beginning are horrible people.  

I also think Manitoba has done well, but I’m worried about who is on our borders - Ontario and the Dakotas. 

[The Unknown Poster]

1 minute ago, Mark H. said:

I also think Manitoba has done well, but I’m worried about who is on our borders - Ontario and the Dakotas. 

Yeah the second wave could be trouble.  If Manitoba is able to keep things locked down we’ll be alright but the pressure is going to be on to re open. Will the feds extend CERB and everything else to next spring?  I doubt it.  So there has to be a re-opening and a reluctance to close of a second wave hits.  It’s going to be tough.  

[Mark H.]

4 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yeah the second wave could be trouble.  If Manitoba is able to keep things locked down we’ll be alright but the pressure is going to be on to re open. Will the feds extend CERB and everything else to next spring?  I doubt it.  So there has to be a re-opening and a reluctance to close of a second wave hits.  It’s going to be tough.  

The feds can’t keep on loaning billions and paying people not to work.  Eventually inflation will go through the roof, our dollar with drop, and our credit rating could be in serious trouble. 

[rebusrankin]

Just to play devil's advocate, aren't the numbers for North Dakota among the lowest in the US? Aren't the numbers for Western Ontario relatively low as well? That said, am good with our borders being shut down.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

54 minutes ago, Tracker said:

We have not seen the worst out of the US yet.

That's Trump's 2nd term.

 

[Tracker]

51 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

The feds can’t keep on loaning billions and paying people not to work.  Eventually inflation will go through the roof, our dollar with drop, and our credit rating could be in serious trouble. 

This is, by definition, a global pandemic. Damned few countries and economies are or will be free of the effects, and governments will have to choose between massive death rates or deficits, and I think that most people will choose the deficits with the attendant higher taxes. But then, that's socialism, isn't it? Unless taxpayer moneys are used to prop up businesses, some of whom have managed to avoid paying any sort of taxes but still line up at the trough.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Tracker

[Mark H.]

50 minutes ago, Tracker said:

This is, by definition, a global pandemic. Damned few countries and economies are or will be free of the effects, and governments will have to choose between massive death rates or deficits, and I think that most people will choose the deficits with the attendant higher taxes. But then, that's socialism, isn't it? Unless taxpayer moneys are used to prop up businesses, some of whom have managed to avoid paying any sort of taxes but still line up at the trough.

Point(s) taken.  I think we will see governments choose a blend of both.  For example - I don't think we'll see Manitoba completely close the schools again.  I just worry about who is ultimately going to benefit from all this money being borrowed that will have to be paid back.  I think we all know the answer...

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Just to play devil's advocate, aren't the numbers for North Dakota among the lowest in the US? Aren't the numbers for Western Ontario relatively low as well? That said, am good with our borders being shut down.

Yes, North Dakota really has no large urban centres.  As for Western Ontario, it all depends how many of those people travel further East, or have contact with people who do. 

[Tracker]

5 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Yes, North Dakota really has no large urban centres.  As for Western Ontario, it all depends how many of those people travel further East, or have contact with people who do. 

It will also depend on social gatherings where precautions have not been taken, and the US has a lot of gospel meetings where masks are discouraged, so that is also a flashpoint.

[rebusrankin]

Did you see the pictures from Missouri today?

[Mr Dee]

Figure out another way..

 

 

 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

2 hours ago, rebusrankin said:

Just to play devil's advocate, aren't the numbers for North Dakota among the lowest in the US?

Yes but stats

MB 7 deaths 1.36m

ND 52 deaths 0.76m

Lower in the states means mid level Canada.

Edited May 24, 2020 by FrostyWinnipeg

[rebusrankin]

I'll be honest, I don't want the Canada/US border open, North Dakota isn't terrible but the USA as a whole is a mess right now. Thanks for providing the stats @FrostyWinnipeg.

[The Unknown Poster]

59 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Did you see the pictures from Missouri today?

Yup. Crazy. Like I get it. We have lakes and great summer activities.  Take a summer off kids. One summer. Next year, party all you want to, sharing all the bodily fluids you want to. 

[rebusrankin]

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Yup. Crazy. Like I get it. We have lakes and great summer activities.  Take a summer off kids. One summer. Next year, party all you want to, sharing all the bodily fluids you want to. 

Totally agree.

I mean I'm happy that we're opening up a little in Manitoba because I'd like to be able to go to the library, sit in a coffee shop or restaurant, see friends etc. Hopefully a church service soon but stuff like that is just Wow, not what I want to be doing.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

Did you see the pictures from Missouri today?

You mean?

 

21 days from now... serious spike in positive tests.

[Tracker]

 

                                                           

[FrostyWinnipeg]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

I'll be honest, I don't want the Canada/US border open, North Dakota isn't terrible but the USA as a whole is a mess right now. Thanks for providing the stats @FrostyWinnipeg.

They got oil, they voted for Trump. They're pretty bad man

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

11 minutes ago, Tracker said:

 

                                                           

[Tracker]

 

 

                                   

7 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

They got oil, they voted for Trump. They're pretty bad man

 

If they voted en masse for Trump, they are not bad, they have the collective IQ of a turnip.

[The Unknown Poster]

1 hour ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

You mean?

 

21 days from now... serious spike in positive tests.

I guess if I was 25 I’d feel bullet proof and put a higher importance on the orgys and stuff.  But still...

[Mark H.]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

 

 

                                   

If they voted en masse for Trump, they are not bad, they have the collective IQ of a turnip.

IIRC, there was a strong candidate running for the Dems, but the usual result happened.

[Mr Dee]

29 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

I guess if I was 25 I’d feel bullet proof and put a higher importance on the orgys and stuff.  But still...

It’s similar, in a fashion, to religious beliefs. 
Belief in your invincibility is only that..a belief. 
The strength you achieve through this belief, still must be tempered with knowledge and experience, whether your own, or trusted ones.

Have faith, but be reasonable, and smart.
Do not take it for granted.

[Mr Dee]