Covid-19

[the watcher]

I took a couple of my dogs to the Vet today. I was settling up with the Vet tech who was a little , sweet, soft spoken girl when in walked a young idiot with no mask. And boom ! Out of the sweet soft spoken Vet tech roars this loud voice " Sir ! You can not come in here without a mask!  To which the idiot said in a snarky voice " I don't have one "  My little Vet tech undaunted snaped back"  Then you have to leave. I can come serve you out there or I can give you a mask "  The big idiot surrendered to the 100 lb girl and masked up. What an awesome young lady.

Edited May 28, 2021 by the watcher

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, Noeller said:

Starting to get a bit concerned about the newest variants which are starting to take hold over in Europe. Apparently the vaccines only have about 33% protection against them, and they're seeing the numbers climb back up again in the UK. Provinces like AB that aren't preparing for that at all could be in for some scary times this summer and into fall...

Hence the need to vaccinate ALL countries- no one is going to be safe if we continue to allow situations like Brazil, India and Africa. The virus has a MUCH better likelihood of having beneficial (to the virus) mutations that make it more virulent, evasive and deadly if it runs rampant. 

It would take $50B to help get back to normalcy globally. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/21/imf-urges-50-billion-spending-commitment-to-help-end-pandemic.html

KEY POINTS

• The IMF is calling for at least 40% of the global population to be vaccinated by the end of the year.
• The IMF wants $50 billion to be spent on faster vaccinations, ultimately generating returns of $9 trillion for the global economy.
• Only about 9.5% of the global population has received at least one dose, according to Our World in Data.
• The Washington-based institution said in April that the global economy is expected to grow by 6% this year.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Wideleft]

3 hours ago, GCJenks said:

Relieved to have been able to get my second dose of AZ today. Other than that I am just sick of what this has turned us into. Never in my life have I ever seen such divisiveness in action (pro sports fandom aside). 
 

What once was thought to be a moment that could draw us all closer as we work to defeat a common enemy has become the opposite. We can’t see those we want too and we have seen sides of so many that makes us never want to see them again. 
 

Im so over all the BS and blaming by all sides has really turned me off society in general. 
 

 

Glad you got your second dose of AZ. I'm still 8 weeks away.

I've always been naively optimistic about the human race, but the pandemic has been so revelatory that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head can see the truths that have always been plain to see - business will always be willing to sacrifice lives and livlihoods for the almighty dollar.  The political parties that do their bidding will never do the right thing as far as protecting life and health.  Workers are replaceable and disposable on that side of the spectrum.

It will take years for all the truths to surface, but it will not reflect well on those that govern from the right and those voters who fear a 1% increase in a retail sales tax more than they value the functionaility of their health care system.

 

[GCJenks]

2 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Glad you got your second dose of AZ. I'm still 8 weeks away.

I've always been naively optimistic about the human race, but the pandemic has been so revelatory that anyone with a single functioning brain cell in their head can see the truths that have always been plain to see - business will always be willing to sacrifice lives and livlihoods for the almighty dollar.  The political parties that do their bidding will never do the right thing as far as protecting life and health.  Workers are replaceable and disposable on that side of the spectrum.

It will take years for all the truths to surface, but it will not reflect well on those that govern from the right and those voters who fear a 1% increase in a retail sales tax more than they value the functionaility of their health care system.

 

I’m not telling you what you should or shouldn’t do but I am only 4 1/2 weeks from first dose. There are dozens to hundreds of doses of AZ in pharmacies and clinics that is going to expire on Monday and be thrown out. Call your Dr, call pharmacies and find one with doses and discuss pros/cons of getting it now not in 8 weeks. 
 

If you have any health concerns that make you more vulnerable or if you can benefit by the extra protection now get one of those shots before they expire. 
 

As for the concern that AZ is most effective the longer you wait my decision not to wait was partially based on the idea that we will almost certainly be looking at a 3rd or booster dose going forward. That should balance any potential “loss of protection” from not waiting the extra weeks. Also the manufacturer still says 28 days, 12 weeks is other studies and not truly endorsed by the vaccine maker. 

[17to85]

40 minutes ago, GCJenks said:

Also the manufacturer still says 28 days, 12 weeks is other studies and not truly endorsed by the vaccine maker. 

You know why they say that right? It's because that is the length of time they studied. For liability purposes they will only ever talk about their own studies. 

[GCJenks]

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You know why they say that right? It's because that is the length of time they studied. For liability purposes they will only ever talk about their own studies. 

Yes I am aware.  I am also aware that millions of people around the world have had AZ on a 28 day cycle and they seem satisfied with their protection.I am aware that we have no AZ doses scheduled to be available when I am 12 to 14 weeks after first dose.  So in all likelihood I would be getting a second dose of something else. I also know that I am slightly more at risk for the next 10 weeks without that second dose and now I will not be. It is of great benefit to my family and the others I shop for that I won’t need to isolate if I am exposed to a case. I also know that there are doses of vaccine going in the garbage on Tuesday and it is better in my arm that the trash. 
 

Finally, I refuse to be a hypocrite suggesting that the USA needs to move their stockpile to countries that need it more while allowing doses here to be tossed out because they expired. 

[Noeller]

I didn't get AZ for my first dose, but every independent study says 12 weeks for maximum efficacy. Definitely each to their own, but I know I'd absolutely be trusting that science. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

18 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I didn't get AZ for my first dose, but every independent study says 12 weeks for maximum efficacy. Definitely each to their own, but I know I'd absolutely be trusting that science. 

But science evolves. The studies originally said 1 in every 260000 people develop VITT from the Astrazeneca shot... real world data shows 1 on 55000... 

So, if the data is now showing a more robust response with a larger wait time... we can probably safely assume that it probably does. 

You make decisions based on the best available data at that time. Trust me... if I was given the VITT stats now (1 in 55k) instead of the 1 in 260k I may have made a different decision.... but I can only make the decision based on what is known at the time.

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by wanna-b-fanboy

[the watcher]

From Pembina Valley on line :

 

South Central Manitoba continues to trend below the provincial average when it comes to COVID-19 vaccine uptake.

As of Tuesday, 60.3 per cent of Manitoba adults have received the COVID-19 vaccine. That is considerably higher than most districts in the region which includes:

Lorne/Louise/Pembina at 55.1 per cent
Grey at 51.9 per cent
Carman at 51 per cent
Red River South at 48 per cent
Morden at 45.4 per cent
Morris at 43.1 per cent
Roland/Thompson at 38.6 per cent
Altona at 33.5 per cent
Winkler at 21.5 per cent

Last month, the province announced that Stanley had the lowest vaccine uptake among all districts in our province. As of April 29th, only 6.1 per cent of adult residents had been vaccinated. Since then, that number has increased to 10.4 per cent.

The exception, according to statistics posted by public health on Tuesday, is MacDonald which posted a 63.7 per cent vaccine uptake among adults in the district.

 

Thankfully I'm a resident in the Lorne /Louise/ Pembina  district.  One of the things I don't think some of these          non compliant/ nonvacc areas realize is just how much business they are losing. I'm not particularly over the top on following the rules. I follow best as  I can,  bend occasionally,  mask as much as possible, follow the general spirit and direction of the rules..... and even I am now avoiding the low vaccination areas as much as possible. When we do have to go there we try to hit buisnesses we know follow the rules. But we probably now send %25 of the business to that area that we use to. We are not alone in this. Many of the people we know are doing the same.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

So...

For January to last week...no work place transmission and no school transmission..  everything is safe to protect the economy.

 

This week: oh look there was school and work place transmission...

Why does the Conservative government hate its constituents?

 

 

[Noeller]

 

[Tracker]

18 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

Better days, yes. but there will be unnecessary deaths before then due to the unwillingness of Pallister and his crew to have taken stronger action sooner. None of these will appear in court but they are complicit in these deaths.

[iHeart]

1 hour ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

 

[iHeart]

GET EM BOYS

 

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by iHeart

[FrostyWinnipeg]

43 minutes ago, iHeart said:

GET EM BOYS

 

 

Anyone think we can hit <100 by the time grads are going?

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, iHeart said:

 

Have booked myself and she-who-must-be-obeyed for June 11th.Yaaaay!

[Tracker]

1 hour ago, iHeart said:

GET EM BOYS

 

 

Damn. At least no new COVID deaths. So far as charges for violating the health orders,  had the police descended en masse onto that gathering at the Forks or the Spring church, kettled  up the participants, and documented and charged every one, followed by stiff fines and the jailing of the leaders, all while the Media recorded, I can guarantee there would not be another repetition. There would have been an outcry, but lives would have been saved.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Tracker

[GCn20]

23 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Yes, some people are stupid, but a lot more have to work low-paying jobs with little job security and no paid sick leave. We also don't have transparent data to tell us whether or not it's because people are stupid or Manitoba's COVID response was in fact wrong-headed.

We might have had some interesting comparisons regarding COVID response to make if most of the country didn't vote in Conservative governments before this pandemic started.

Well all these provinces that voted in Conservative governments did so for good reason. For all we know a pandemic handled by the left may have turned out worse given their dreary records when in power. Personally, i believe no one is as used to running a socialist style society so i think the NDP might be a better choice in a pandemic, however, in normal conditions they have simply proven to be incompetent and thats why we have what we have around the country.

23 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Yes, some people are stupid, but a lot more have to work low-paying jobs with little job security and no paid sick leave. We also don't have transparent data to tell us whether or not it's because people are stupid or Manitoba's COVID response was in fact wrong-headed.

We might have had some interesting comparisons regarding COVID response to make if most of the country didn't vote in Conservative governments before this pandemic started.

Well all these provinces that voted in Conservative governments did so for good reason. For all we know a pandemic handled by the left may have turned out worse given their dreary records when in power. Personally, i believe no one is as used to running a socialist style society so i think the NDP might be a better choice in a pandemic, however, in normal conditions they have simply proven to be incompetent and thats why we have what we have around the country.

[Wideleft]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

did so for good reason

Did they really, though?

[JCon]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Well all these provinces that voted in Conservative governments did so for good reason. For all we know a pandemic handled by the left may have turned out worse given their dreary records when in power. Personally, i believe no one is as used to running a socialist style society so i think the NDP might be a better choice in a pandemic, however, in normal conditions they have simply proven to be incompetent and thats why we have what we have around the country.

The NDP gov't under Doer was the best gov't this province has had in 40 years. 

[blue_gold_84]

2 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Did they really, though?

**** no. You'd have to be blind, dumb, or both to think the conservative governments elected in AB, MB, ON, etc. have done any good for their respective provinces recently. The handling of this pandemic is absolutely no expection. Kenney, Pallister, and Ford have all amply demonstrated they're not leaders in any sense of the word.

[JCon]

Folks, the NDP in 2016 was a mess and that had been the case for a few years. The gov't had lost most of their talented MLAs. It needed "renewal" in a very big way. Sellinger's arrogance giftwrapped the province to the Cons. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by JCon

[iHeart]

41 minutes ago, JCon said:

The NDP gov't under Doer was the best gov't this province has had in 40 years. 

man looking back things were SANE under Doer

[iHeart]

oh look they caught someone already

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-health-order-arrest-1.6044482?fbclid=IwAR1CtkhC5I-r1-dpATNMOKUt07ZcVh7UzS9D2Xz8fyWkA9EiYfBNkhlTaPA

Edited May 28, 2021 by iHeart