Covid-19

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2020-07-19 at 12:49 PM, Mark H. said:

I was saying to someone from North Dakota just yesterday, that the world was opening up and getting back to work.

He considered that to be an idiotic statement, because "American businesses never closed, but people don't want to work.  The virus has been blown out of proportion and people are sitting at home living off their stimulus cheques."  Unquote.

One cheque $1200 in April. Yep, Americans are just livin' in the tall grass off that money. Republicans are all brain dead. 

[Mark H.]

5 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Funeral no but....

I believe - and Mark H will confirm or deny - that the guy who brought the infection back went to help looking for the girls and got the covid from people who later went to the funeral.

Six of one half dozen of the other.

True, but the timing of that does not add up, because it was 3 - 4 weeks ago.  The true story is, he went back to Alberta again after the funeral, on a business trip. A week later, the **** hit the fan. 

[Floyd]

48 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Because it isn’t true.  It was 2 - 3 people who didn’t follow the rules, not an entire group.  Most Hutterite communities in MB have followed all the public health guidelines.  Also, no one identified any visible minorities on Corydon.  

Visible minority? uh wha wha?

my point is that all ‘the covidiots’ on corydon or on beaches have not caused an outbreak and maybe it is only a few people - same as the Manitoba colony

you are included in those with a blanket condemnation of people ‘seemingly flaunting’ the rules... yet there are excuses when the colonies are responsible for the spike 

along those lines, maple creek was not just 2-3 people so cmon... it was their entire leadership - do anything you want but don’t go to Tim hortons and Walmart...

 

[Floyd]

52 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

One cheque $1200 in April. Yep, Americans are just livin' in the tall grass off that money. Republicans are all brain dead. 

I thought it was each month - with the exchange rate that’s almost half a rookie CFL salary...

[Mark H.]

15 minutes ago, Floyd said:

Visible minority? uh wha wha?

my point is that all ‘the covidiots’ on corydon or on beaches have not caused an outbreak and maybe it is only a few people - same as the Manitoba colony

you are included in those with a blanket condemnation of people ‘seemingly flaunting’ the rules... yet there are excuses when the colonies are responsible for the spike 

along those lines, maple creek was not just 2-3 people so cmon... it was their entire leadership - do anything you want but don’t go to Tim hortons and Walmart...

 

I am not making excuses for anyone who didn’t follow the rules - 2 to 3 people was a reference to how it happened in MB. Most colonies in MB were in complete lockdown, from a March 23 to  June 21, in our case.  In fact, as a precaution, we started a further 2 week lockdown yesterday, essential travel only and no visitors. However, some colonies / individual members were embarrassingly stupid.  Unfortunately, they infected others; 2 of the 3 infected communities actually followed all the guidelines.  It only takes a few idiots.  

[Floyd]

3 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

I am not making excuses for anyone who didn’t follow the rules - 2 to 3 people was a reference to how it happened in MB. Most colonies in MB were in complete lockdown, from a March 23 to  June 21, in our case.  However, some colonies / individual members were embarrassingly stupid.  Unfortunately, they infected others; 2 of the 3 infected communities actually followed all the guidelines.  It only takes a few idiots.  

I guess I just don’t like the term covidiots - I was just in Manitoba and people are generally following the rules even if the rules are different everywhere

i just find it interesting to see the judgement and panic about beaches and bars and cabins while the vast majority of the outbreak in the prairies is related to Hutterite colonies 

covid spreads through length of exposure and proximity... we’ve know this for months and just somehow ignore it

[Mark H.]

20 minutes ago, Floyd said:

I guess I just don’t like the term covidiots - I was just in Manitoba and people are generally following the rules even if the rules are different everywhere

i just find it interesting to see the judgement and panic about beaches and bars and cabins while the vast majority of the outbreak in the prairies is related to Hutterite colonies 

covid spreads through length of exposure and proximity... we’ve know this for months and just somehow ignore it

There would still be 8 new cases in MB. 

[Floyd]

25 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

There would still be 8 new cases in MB. 

As opposed to 18 yes I thought that was fairly clear

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Floyd said:

I thought it was each month - with the exchange rate that’s almost half a rookie CFL salary...

No, just one cheque which is why Republican brains are vapid.

[Brandon]

I will say it again... Manitoba is lucky that the numbers are as low as they are.  People are getting very casual when out in public (based on what I've seen) in the last month or so.   

 

[SpeedFlex27]

14 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I will say it again... Manitoba is lucky that the numbers are as low as they are.  People are getting very casual when out in public (based on what I've seen) in the last month or so.   

 

It seems some people in Manitoba are getting worked up about 18 new cases. Most jurisdiction are praying they have that low a number. That is virtually nothing. 

[tacklewasher]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

It seems some people in Manitoba are getting worked up about 18 new cases. Most jurisdiction are praying they have that low a number. That is virtually nothing. 

BC had over 100 this last weekend.Kelowna has 60 reported cases from the the July 1st festivities. I thought we were doing better than that, but we just took a turn for the worse. Hope it stops and we get back on track.

[Mark H.]

11 hours ago, Floyd said:

i just find it interesting to see the judgement and panic about beaches and bars and cabins while the vast majority of the outbreak in the prairies is related to Hutterite colonies 

Well, I’ll tell you what I find interesting: I have come on here and stated things exactly as they are, making an effort to not hide anything.  But you somehow see that as making excuses - I didn’t make any.  I answered every question that was asked and provided the facts.  I have no Hutterite contacts in Alberta or Saskatchewan, thus I could not comment accurately on what exactly happened there, so I chose not to. 

[Wideleft]

11 hours ago, Floyd said:

I guess I just don’t like the term covidiots - I was just in Manitoba and people are generally following the rules even if the rules are different everywhere

i just find it interesting to see the judgement and panic about beaches and bars and cabins while the vast majority of the outbreak in the prairies is related to Hutterite colonies 

covid spreads through length of exposure and proximity... we’ve know this for months and just somehow ignore it

False.

"Calgary continues to be a hotspot, with 553 cases, up from 385 on Friday.

"We've doubled in one week, that's exponential growth. If we double again in one week and again in one week, that means two weeks from now, we will have more active cases in Calgary than we had at the height of the crisis in April. So this is bad. We certainly have more cases now than we did in March when we shut everything down," Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi said Monday."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-climbing-covid-19-cases-1.5656951

 

 Overall in Saskatchewan:

• 58 cases are health care workers; however, the source of the infections may not be related to health care in all instances.
• 340 of the cases are from the Far North, 211 are from the Saskatoon area, 124 from the North, 120 from the South, 87 from the Regina area and 80 from the Central region.
• 133 cases involve people 19 years of age and under, while the remainder are adults.
• 331 cases are in the 20-39 age range; 300 are in the 40-59 age range; 167 are in the 60-79 age range; and 31 are in the 80-plus range.
• 51 per cent of the cases are females and 49 per cent are males.
• 15 deaths related to COVID-19 have been reported to date.

https://www.saskatchewan.ca/government/news-and-media/2020/july/20/covid-19-update-july-20

 

Even in Manitoba, 10 of 18 new cases cannot be considered a "vast majority".

Words matter, especially when targetting a group of people.

[Mark H.]

I can say one thing about Saskatchewan: there are no Hutterite colonies in the far north. 

[17to85]

2 hours ago, tacklewasher said:

BC had over 100 this last weekend.Kelowna has 60 reported cases from the the July 1st festivities. I thought we were doing better than that, but we just took a turn for the worse. Hope it stops and we get back on track.

Yeah the wife and I made some plans to travel to Kelowna next month but we're not sure given the rise in cases there and in Alberta if that's gonna happen now. 

People just all assumed this **** was over and got careless and this is what happens. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Phase 4 plan for MB

https://www.gov.mb.ca/asset_library/en/proactive/2020_2021/restoring-safe-services-phase-4.pdf

As part of Phase 4, Manitoba casinos would be allowed to reopen with a maximum occupancy of 50 per cent of the site’s capacity (including staff)

Edited July 21, 2020 by FrostyWinnipeg

[Mr Dee]

👁‍🗨 It’s come to this...

In Texas, health officials in Houston were cautiously optimistic as the number of people requiring hospitalization "seems to have tapered off a bit." But deaths in the second-largest state soared above 4,000, and officials in the border area of Starr County, where a team of navy doctors was sent to help the only hospital, said they were considering creating an ethics committee to discuss rationing hospital resources.

"It sounds cold, and I hate to think that we would even have to do it, but we need to at least consider what chances a patient has of surviving," County Judge Eloy Vera said. U.S. deaths from COVID-19 rose for a second week in a row to more than 5,200 people in the week ending July 19, up five per cent from the previous seven days, a Reuters analysis found.

The country reported more than 460,000 new coronavirus cases last week, up nearly 15 per cent from the prior week, according to the analysis of data from The COVID Tracking Project, a volunteer-run effort to track the outbreak.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavirus-july-21-covid-19-1.5657023

 

[blue_gold_84]

14 hours ago, Floyd said:

I guess I just don’t like the term covidiots - I was just in Manitoba and people are generally following the rules even if the rules are different everywhere

Just because the majority of people (according to your own anecdotal observation) may be following the rules here doesn't change the fact there are still covidiots sharing the same space.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/march-to-unmask-rally-manitoba-1.5655566

Quote

"We need to have our health in our own hands. We need the freedom to choose if we wear a mask or not," said Patrick Allard, the organizer of the rally and of the Manitoba Together Facebook group, which espouses freedom of speech and freedom of choice messages.

Allard, who also organized another rally at the end of May over non-essential business closures and isolation measures, says sick people who are at risk should just stay home.

Bit of a slippery slope to advocate for the need to have one's health in his own hands. This self-proclaimed virology expert and economist also claims masks are ineffective. Seems pretty covidiotic to me.

Edited July 21, 2020 by blue_gold_84

[Floyd]

2 hours ago, Mark H. said:

I can say one thing about Saskatchewan: there are no Hutterite colonies in the far north. 

They are connected to a funeral and a wake... again length of exposure and proximity

Stop trying to deflect- no one is 'attacking Hutterite colonies' but to deny that they are highest contributor to the western outbreak is ridiculous. 

3 hours ago, Wideleft said:

Even in Manitoba, 10 of 18 new cases cannot be considered a "vast majority".

Words matter, especially when targetting a group of people.

How on earth can you claim that 10 of 18 cases over the whole province is not a vast majority?  20 of Manitoba 29 cases are linked to Hutterite-related travel to Alberta.  

https://winnipegsun.com/news/news-news/manitoba-announces-18-new-cases-outbreak-on-hutterite-colonies-linked-to-alberta-gathering

And don't turn this into some bogus witch hunt against Hutterites...  its a viable question especially on a forum that sits and judges 'covidiots' everyday... unless you're the right covidiot...

We have rules and obviously are making exceptions for religious gatherings - that is the biggest danger right now.

Covid is not casually spreading - it spreads at events or locations where again its close exposure over a longer amount of time (full day or two days).

[Floyd]

3 hours ago, Mark H. said:

Well, I’ll tell you what I find interesting: I have come on here and stated things exactly as they are, making an effort to not hide anything.  But you somehow see that as making excuses - I didn’t make any.  I answered every question that was asked and provided the facts.  I have no Hutterite contacts in Alberta or Saskatchewan, thus I could not comment accurately on what exactly happened there, so I chose not to. 

No one ever actually claimed you were 'hiding anything' or making excuses...  so I'm not sure what your point is?  I'm not attacking your colony specifically, I am pointing out the double standard on this board - the comments are mild and supportive when it comes to the colony issues... for everyone else who gets covid - 'they are an idiot and stupid'...

Its interesting.

[Mark H.]

1 minute ago, Floyd said:

They are connected to a funeral and a wake... again length of exposure and proximity

Stop trying to deflect- no one is 'attacking Hutterite colonies' but to deny that they are highest contributor to the western outbreak is ridiculous. 

How on earth can you claim that 10 of 18 cases over the whole province is not a vast majority?  20 of Manitoba 29 cases are linked to Hutterite-related travel to Alberta.  

https://winnipegsun.com/news/news-news/manitoba-announces-18-new-cases-outbreak-on-hutterite-colonies-linked-to-alberta-gathering

And don't turn this into some bogus witch hunt against Hutterites...  its a viable question especially on a forum that sits and judges 'covidiots' everyday... unless you're the right covidiot...

We have rules and obviously are making exceptions for religious gatherings - that is the biggest danger right now.

Covid is not casually spreading - it spreads at events or locations where again its close exposure over a longer amount of time (full day or two days).

Once again, stating facts becomes deflection in your eyes. Saskatchewan has the most cases in the far north, while Calgary is the hotbed in Alberta.  To continue saying that Hutterites are the highest contributor is ridiculous, because it’s not what the numbers show.  For the record, nothing you say will stop me from stating facts. If you keep stating false opinions, I will keep on combatting you. 

[Mark H.]

5 minutes ago, Floyd said:

No one ever actually claimed you were 'hiding anything' or making excuses...  so I'm not sure what your point is?  I'm not attacking your colony specifically, I am pointing out the double standard on this board - the comments are mild and supportive when it comes to the colony issues... for everyone else who gets covid - 'they are an idiot and stupid'...

Its interesting.

You said there were excuses being made for Hutterites.  So, if I wasn’t making them, then who was?  

[Wideleft]

5 minutes ago, Floyd said:

How on earth can you claim that 10 of 18 cases over the whole province is not a vast majority?  20 of Manitoba 29 cases are linked to Hutterite-related travel to Alberta.  

https://winnipegsun.com/news/news-news/manitoba-announces-18-new-cases-outbreak-on-hutterite-colonies-linked-to-alberta-gathering

And don't turn this into some bogus witch hunt against Hutterites...  its a viable question especially on a forum that sits and judges 'covidiots' everyday... unless you're the right covidiot...

We have rules and obviously are making exceptions for religious gatherings - that is the biggest danger right now.

Covid is not casually spreading - it spreads at events or locations where again its close exposure over a longer amount of time (full day or two days).

55% is not a vast majority in my opinion.  Last I checked it was 5% more than half.

You said the vast majority of new cases across the Prairies were related to Hutterite colonies when clearly this is not the case.  Rather than admitting your hyperbole was a little too strong (incorrect), you've abandoned the rest of the prairies and refocused on Manitoba to suit your argument.

And no, it does not take a "full day or two" to get infected.  If that were true (and it is not) we could open everything up right now.  

If you don't like getting fact-checked, perhaps use your words more carefully.

[iHeart]