Covid-19

[Wideleft]

  On 2020-10-15 at 7:43 PM, bustamente said:

It's sad that someone that is not feeling well and/or sick would go to work, I get that we all need that paycheck to survive but it shouldn't be at the expense of others

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It's sad, but if someone is working paycheque to paycheque with a part-time job (or 2) with no paid sick days, it becomes a little more easy to understand. 

As much as I hate when people act like heroes by coming into my white collar work environment sick, consider that COVID-19 effects the poorest among us the most.  It's a matter of survival one way or the other for many.

[Sard]

  On 2020-10-15 at 7:57 PM, Wideleft said:

It's sad, but if someone is working paycheque to paycheque with a part-time job (or 2) with no paid sick days, it becomes a little more easy to understand. 

As much as I hate when people act like heroes by coming into my white collar work environment sick, consider that COVID-19 effects the poorest among us the most.  It's a matter of survival one way or the other for many.

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I think the worst are those who act like heroes by coming in to work when they are sick and then brag about how they've never taken a sick day.

[JCon]

  On 2020-10-15 at 8:13 PM, Sard said:

I think the worst are those who act like heroes by coming in to work when they are sick and then brag about how they've never taken a sick day.

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I agree. But, I was that way before because I've had employers that make you feel bad. I'm ollder and more mature and see the error of ways from when I was much younger. 

 

And, as an accountant, it makes me suspicious when people refuse to take days off. 

Edited October 15, 2020 by JCon

[Sard]

  On 2020-10-15 at 9:02 PM, JCon said:

I agree. But, I was that way before because I've had employers that make you feel bad. I've older and more mature and see the error of ways from when I was much younger. 

 

And, as an accountant, it makes me suspicious when people refuse to take days off. 

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You are right, some workplaces have created that culture with bosses who shame their employees for taking time off.  I will admit that in my younger days, I did some of it myself, but as I've aged, I've realized that I don't want to be around people who are sick at work, and they probably feel the same way (for the most part).

 

[SpeedFlex27]

  On 2020-10-15 at 8:13 PM, Sard said:

I think the worst are those who act like heroes by coming in to work when they are sick and then brag about how they've never taken a sick day.

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Again, people with no sick days are going to try to work because no work means no pay. No pay means no food on the table, bills don't get paid or  being able to pay rent. Unless the symptoms are obvious they won't stay home. They'll get pilloried for being selfish asshats while someone working in a union who get paid for being sick will just put their feet up & say, "Meh.... maybe a couple of more days".  Most working poor are a paycheque & a half from living on the street. 

[SpeedFlex27]

  On 2020-10-15 at 7:43 PM, bustamente said:

It's sad that someone that is not feeling well and/or sick would go to work, I get that we all need that paycheck to survive but it shouldn't be at the expense of others

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Well, maybe throw that at the feet of employers who honestly would enslave their employees if they could get away with it. And governments talking a big game but in reality not caring as well. I blame employers & governments for allowing this to happen. Look at Trudeau, he convinced Jagmeet Singh to support his minority government if the Liberals brought in 10 days paid sick leave under EI. He knew Singh would ask for that to be added to get his support so the Liberals didn't do the right thing by just going ahead & doing it, I mean, they had six months. They made Singh look like a hero to get his support. In return, he makes Trudeau look good while the Conservatives are the sour pusses down the hallway in the next room. All show in politics. Nothing to do with what is right. Meanwhile both Trudeau & Singh smile & go, "Canadians are such suckers..."

[Sard]

  On 2020-10-15 at 11:35 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Again, people with no sick days are going to try to work because no work means no pay. No pay means no food on the table, bills don't get paid or  being able to pay rent. Unless the symptoms are obvious they won't stay home. They'll get pilloried for being selfish asshats while someone working in a union who get paid for being sick will just put their feet up & say, "Meh.... maybe a couple of more days".  Most working poor are a paycheque & a half from living on the street. 

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Sorry, I should have been more clear, I was referring to the people who have sick days and come to work anyway bragging about "never having to take a sick day".  I totally get the ones working paycheck to paycheck who literally can't afford to take a sick day because they don't get paid... I don't feel like they are acting like heroes, as they don't have much choice.

[Wideleft]

  On 2020-10-15 at 11:35 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Again, people with no sick days are going to try to work because no work means no pay. No pay means no food on the table, bills don't get paid or  being able to pay rent. Unless the symptoms are obvious they won't stay home. They'll get pilloried for being selfish asshats while someone working in a union who get paid for being sick will just put their feet up & say, "Meh.... maybe a couple of more days".  Most working poor are a paycheque & a half from living on the street. 

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Sounds like you are arguing for more unions.  I'm encouraged.

  On 2020-10-16 at 12:02 AM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Well, maybe throw that at the feet of employers who honestly would enslave their employees if they could get away with it. And governments talking a big game but in reality not caring as well. I blame employers & governments for allowing this to happen. Look at Trudeau, he convinced Jagmeet Singh to support his minority government if the Liberals brought in 10 days paid sick leave under EI. He knew Singh would ask for that to be added to get his support so the Liberals didn't do the right thing by just going ahead & doing it, I mean, they had six months. They made Singh look like a hero to get his support. In return, he makes Trudeau look good while the Conservatives are the sour pusses down the hallway in the next room. All show in politics. Nothing to do with what is right. Meanwhile both Trudeau & Singh smile & go, "Canadians are such suckers..."

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In a minority government, the Liberals had to be sure they had the votes to pass this, so they needed NDP support.  You seem to understand this and yet you conclude with such a cynical take.  No wonder people are apathetic about voting and distrust government.

 

[iHeart]

UGH I just found out that the school I work at had a possible exposure last week.

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

  On 2020-10-16 at 2:04 PM, iHeart said:

UGH I just found out that the school I work at had a possible exposure last week.

 

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Oh ****, sorry to hear that. Hope you and the others are safe.

[JCon]

This is how you talk to the anti-science crowd. 

 

 

You're allowed to be anti-science but don't ever think that any of your anti-science policies should ever be followed. 

[iHeart]

Well we have a dramatic drop and no new deaths, that's an improvement at least

 

[iHeart]

and like I have already said one of those schools is my workplace. Now this exposure occurred on the 6th and 7th which was more than a week ago, and as of this posting I am not showing or feeling any signs of symptoms

 

 

[JCon]

Although the cases are much lower, the test positivity rate remains high at over 5%, so we're not improving yet. 

[Noeller]

I read something from Bart Kives the other day that basically said the high numbers were a bit of a red herring, in so much as there was a huge backlog of tests, and you were just starting to see the results from days or even weeks ago, which artificially inflated the daily case numbers. I'm wondering if this daily total of 75 means that they're starting to clear up the backlog...

[JCon]

  On 2020-10-16 at 6:36 PM, Noeller said:

I read something from Bart Kives the other day that basically said the high numbers were a bit of a red herring, in so much as there was a huge backlog of tests, and you were just starting to see the results from days or even weeks ago, which artificially inflated the daily case numbers. I'm wondering if this daily total of 75 means that they're starting to clear up the backlog...

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Which would make sense if the test positivity rate was low but it's not. It's over 5% and has been in Winnipeg for many days. 

 

But, they're introducing some new measures today, only a couple of weeks late. Hopefully, these new measures have an effect on the cases soon. There was snow on the ground here this morning, so we're going to be forced inside soon for more and more things. 

[JCon]

6.3% in Winnipeg right now!

[iHeart]

This doesn't seem like alot doesn't it? but that's how it has to be for two weeks, hopefully not more than that

 

I really really really want to watch the Jets play again (on tv that is, I would gladly pay money for a cardboard cutout of myself to be in the stands)

Edited October 16, 2020 by iHeart

[Noeller]

 

[tacklewasher]

  On 2020-10-16 at 4:56 PM, JCon said:

This is how you talk to the anti-science crowd. 

 

 

You're allowed to be anti-science but don't ever think that any of your anti-science policies should ever be followed. never be ridiculed.

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FTFY

[JCon]

  On 2020-10-16 at 7:15 PM, Noeller said:

 

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So, the only real changes are closing bars and casinos. Got it. 

 

Restaurants are "back" to 50%, except, due to social distancing, they're already there.

 

There was word out that they were going to allow students to learn from home if they chose to but nothing was announced. 

EDIT: I should add stores are back to 50%. That's big for those of us that do the grocery shopping. Costco has been busy and a lot of people are not social distancing there. 

[bigg jay]

  On 2020-10-16 at 7:20 PM, JCon said:

So, the only real changes are closing bars and casinos. Got it. 

 

Restaurants are "back" to 50%, except, due to social distancing, they're already there.

 

There was word out that they were going to allow students to learn from home if they chose to but nothing was announced. 

EDIT: I should add stores are back to 50%. That's big for those of us that do the grocery shopping. Costco has been busy and a lot of people are not social distancing there. 

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There was a question referencing Costco during the press conference today - here's a link to the story for those who haven't seen it:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/coronavirus/costco-workers-quit-in-protest-572761931.html

Got to say I wasn't overly impressed by the comments made by Costco's spokesman.

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Bars, restaurants, gyms/fitness places i'd close. Too much breathing, eating, gulping.

[JCon]

  On 2020-10-16 at 8:06 PM, bigg jay said:

There was a question referencing Costco during the press conference today - here's a link to the story for those who haven't seen it:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/coronavirus/costco-workers-quit-in-protest-572761931.html

Got to say I wasn't overly impressed by the comments made by Costco's spokesman.

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No, neither was I, but I find the whole thing very odd. They were at the forefront of masks and social distancing at the beginning. I felt very safe there. The employees were all wearing masks and everything they were doing seems consistent with the most stringent guidelines. 

 

But, recently, although most were wearing masks, the customers stopped respecting social distancing. I was lined up yesterday, waiting for a cart and someone, shoving a donut into his mouth, pushed past everyone (physically touching people) to get into the store.

 

I suppose Costco could do a better job inside the store but, geez people, get your act together!

[Noeller]

I was super disappointed in both Costco and Walmart, recently, when I saw approximately 50% mask usage by customers. As mentioned, both Costco and Walmart were among the first to make masks mandatory......so what happened? Why did they stop enforcing it?