Black Lives Matter

[Tracker]

Video shows Seattle cop with knee on neck of George Floyd protestor

In a video posted to Twitter, a Seattle police officer was caught placing his knee on the neck and head of a George Floyd protester in much the same manner that led to the death of the Minneapolis man that has led to the nationwide protest.

In the video, the man, clad in a bright orange sweatshirt, is forced to the ground by two police officers who are seen holding down as they put restraints on him. During the incident, one officer uses his knee to hold the man down, causing onlookers to yell at the cops, “Get your f*cking knee of his neck!” as the man begged for help.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/video-shows-seattle-cop-with-knee-on-neck-of-george-floyd-protestor/

[Tracker]

‘Light ’em up’: Police open fire on Minneapolis residents filming them from their front porches

Video reportedly taken from the Wittier neighborhood of Minneapolis on Saturday shows authorities shooting projectiles upon people filming them from a front porch.

On Friday, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey imposed a curfew on the city, but his emergency order did not apply to citizens’ homes or front porches.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/light-em-up-police-open-fire-on-minneapolis-residents-filming-them-from-their-front-porches/

[Fatty Liver]

40 minutes ago, Tracker said:

‘Light ’em up’: Police open fire on Minneapolis residents filming them from their front porches

Video reportedly taken from the Wittier neighborhood of Minneapolis on Saturday shows authorities shooting projectiles upon people filming them from a front porch.

On Friday, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey imposed a curfew on the city, but his emergency order did not apply to citizens’ homes or front porches.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/light-em-up-police-open-fire-on-minneapolis-residents-filming-them-from-their-front-porches/

Count how many warnings these people received to get inside their house which they ignored, at least 7-10 direct warnings .  Bad things happen to stupid people and these stupid people happen to be white.  

[Tracker]

1 minute ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Count how many warnings these people received to get inside their house which they ignored, at least 7-10 direct warnings .  Bad things happen to stupid people and these stupid people happen to be white.  

You have missed the point. These people were filming the police who were coming down a street which was not in turmoil, and the people were not ordered by the mayor or governor to stay indoors. The order was for them to stay off the streets, which they were. There was not the legal nor the situational requirement for them to hide indoors. The police were not acting within the law and therefore were committing a felony-assault.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Do you have any evidence of this?  

 

There is  evidence that suggests most protesters are local.

A review of all the arrests made by Minneapolis-based police agencies for rioting, unlawful assembly and burglary-related crimes from Friday to Saturday tells a different story.

 

KARE 11 found that of 36 cases, about 86 percent of those arrested listed Minnesota as their address.

The data, taken from the Hennepin County Jail’s roster, shows that nearly all of the people arrested in likely connection to the riots live in Minneapolis or the metro area. The five cases from outside Minnesota were of people listed as living in Missouri, Florida, Arkansas, Michigan and Illinois.

Data provided Saturday afternoon by St. Paul police also appears to contradict the narrative that the majority of the violence is being caused by people from outside the state.

Of the 18 people arrested from Thursday to Saturday morning, 12 listed Minnesota as their address. Two were from North Dakota, one from Wisconsin, and one from Texas. Addresses for two others weren’t listed.

St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter said during the Saturday morning press conference, “Every single person we arrested last night I’m told was from out of state.”

 

Brandon Stahl

 

@b_stahl

Here's what the HCSO jail records show. There are 69 cases from Friday to Saturday that were categorized as "received by jail" as of about 11 am this morning. Of those, here's the state breakdowns:

MN56
UNK 5
IL3
ARK1
MO1
IA1
Fla1
MI1

 

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https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/kare-11-investigates-records-show-arrests-mostly-minnesotans-as-george-floyd-protests-riots-continue-minneapolis-st-paul/89-73f3e0e8-0664-41d5-8d3e-4467d04da7cb

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Right-wing extremists and accelerationists

The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter.

The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

White Supremacists pretending to host a protest to honor Floyd George on Facebook to whip up violence in San Diego were posted on the BLMSD social media warning people not to go and that it was a white supremacist organized rally. People attending demonstrations remarked on the fact that the demographics were wrong, in places like Oakland where the majority of the destruction was perpetrated by young Caucasian men has inspired not just people on social media but reporting in the mainstream media to properly question whether this is a form of infiltration by outside extremist elements.

 

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by wanna-b-fanboy

[Fatty Liver]

8 minutes ago, Tracker said:

You have missed the point. These people were filming the police who were coming down a street which was not in turmoil, and the people were not ordered by the mayor or governor to stay indoors. The order was for them to stay off the streets, which they were. There was not the legal nor the situational requirement for them to hide indoors. The police were not acting within the law and therefore were committing a felony-assault.

Minneapolis has instituted a curfew, interpret it how you like.  Instead of obeying direct orders like every other household on this street managed to do, these people decided to create another point of conflict, to what end?   Allowing people to run amok leads to solutions like Detroit.  Want to invest your money in a  home or business in Detroit?  Plenty of bargains to be had...

[Mr Dee]

This is brilliant in its simplicity.

 

[Fatty Liver]

25 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Right-wing extremists and accelerationists

The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter.

The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

White Supremacists pretending to host a protest to honor Floyd George on Facebook to whip up violence in San Diego were posted on the BLMSD social media warning people not to go and that it was a white supremacist organized rally. People attending demonstrations remarked on the fact that the demographics were wrong, in places like Oakland where the majority of the destruction was perpetrated by young Caucasian men has inspired not just people on social media but reporting in the mainstream media to properly question whether this is a form of infiltration by outside extremist elements.

 

 

Sounds like a theory, not supported by real evidence.  Not denying groups like this are involved but the bulk of the damage is being executed by local kids of all colours, re:the arrest reports.

"Minnesota Governor Tim Walz echoed this sentiment in a press conference on Saturday alleging that the demonstrations that caused so much damage included provocateurs, likely from outside the area. State officials said around 80 percent of those arrested in the Twin Cities on Friday were from outside Minnesota. Former FBI agent and CNN commentator, Josh Campbell wrote, that Minnesota “authorities have been monitoring alleged criminals online, including postings by suspected white supremacists trying to incite violence.”

[Tracker]

25 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Minneapolis has instituted a curfew, interpret it how you like.  Instead of obeying direct orders like every other household on this street managed to do, these people decided to create another point of conflict, to what end?   Allowing people to run amok leads to solutions like Detroit.  Want to invest your money in a  home or business in Detroit?  Plenty of bargains to be had...

The context of a curfew is NOT open to interpretation. The people who were shot at were obeying the law and the conflict was started by the police who illegally demanded that people go indoors for no reason except that they were filming the police. If the police are not obligated to obey the law, then who is?  Conflating the urban blight of Detroit's current situation is a false equivalency. Detroit is in a major recession not because of the actions of the people, it is because the Big Three automakers in arrogance refused to produce vehicles that people wanted to buy and went broke following the dictum said by Pete Estes, the president of GM, "What's good for GM is good for America". 

An NBC news crew with cameras and credentials fully displayed were 500 feet away from any conflict and were still fired on by police. So was a CBC news crew. 

[SpeedFlex27]

10 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Sure.  Thread title could be changed to reflect the protests happening across the US and all mattered therein. It’s not like Minnesota protests sprung up out of nothing with no rhyme or reason. 

The title should be changed to address how things have escalated. 

[The Unknown Poster]

3 hours ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

Well... looks like it's official policy to enable white supremacist.

 

This is trumps last stand.  Knowing he’s going to lose and lose bad.  He’s fanning these flames on purpose.  I would not be surprised if the efforts of the white nationals who are causing mayhem is coordinated directly with trumps campaign or those close to him.  Trying to burn it all down.  
 

I honestly didn’t think he’s do this.  But it’s happening. A race war trump wants.  Every bad thing ever will be blamed on blacks and muslims and the left and Biden as an enabler.  Vote for Biden, vote for a back America that will terrorize you good old boys who just want to mind your business and carry assault rifles.  That’s the campaign plan.  
 

Man...if trump wins he will find a way to outlaw the Democratic Party, ban free media etc.  He’s the Antichrist.  Fourth Reich.  It’s shocking.  

[Fatty Liver]

57 minutes ago, Tracker said:

The context of a curfew is NOT open to interpretation. The people who were shot at were obeying the law and the conflict was started by the police who illegally demanded that people go indoors for no reason except that they were filming the police. If the police are not obligated to obey the law, then who is?  Conflating the urban blight of Detroit's current situation is a false equivalency. Detroit is in a major recession not because of the actions of the people, it is because the Big Three automakers in arrogance refused to produce vehicles that people wanted to buy and went broke following the dictum said by Pete Estes, the president of GM, "What's good for GM is good for America". 

An NBC news crew with cameras and credentials fully displayed were 500 feet away from any conflict and were still fired on by police. So was a CBC news crew. 

Take a look at how those people are dressed, does it look like they intend to stay inside for the night and obey the curfew order, wearing full masks to conceal their identities, hoodies and coats, or are they preparing to break the law  and join in the fun just as soon as the police clear their neighbourhood?  You're defending people that are largely part of the current problem.  Hey I get it, I'm all for peaceful protest, this has gone well beyond a protest movement and is now a full-fledged riot, which as has been proven many times in the past will not create any positive solutions. 

As for Ford, GM and whatever is left of Chrysler, last time I checked they were still producing autos in suburbs removed from Detroit in massive quantities.  

[Tracker]

13 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Take a look at how those people are dressed, does it look like they intend to stay inside for the night and obey the curfew order, wearing full masks to conceal their identities, hoodies and coats, or are they preparing to break the law  and join in the fun just as soon as the police clear their neighbourhood?  You're defending people that are largely part of the current problem.  Hey I get it, I'm all for peaceful protest, this has gone well beyond a protest movement and is now a full-fledged riot, which as has been proven many times in the past will not create any positive solutions. 

As for Ford, GM and whatever is left of Chrysler, last time I checked they were still producing autos in suburbs removed from Detroit in massive quantities.  

Interesting that you think that clothing is grounds for assault. If you think that the auto industry is Detroit is still producing vehicles in the same quantities as in the 60's, you are dead wrong. When peaceful demonstrations do not produce any improvement, and the illegal killing of blacks goes on, then violence becomes the only option.

[Brandon]

12 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Interesting that you think that clothing is grounds for assault. If you think that the auto industry is Detroit is still producing vehicles in the same quantities as in the 60's, you are dead wrong. When peaceful demonstrations do not produce any improvement, and the illegal killing of blacks goes on, then violence becomes the only option.

Grand Tour had an episode in Detroit (great episode) and I believe they said that in Detroit at one point was the richest city in the United States.   They had 65 factories and now they only have 3.   (Numbers might be a slight bit off).   Also the interior of Detroit is desolate and you can literally buy a rundown home and it's land for 1 dollar.   All of the working white class have moved to the suburbs and the interior is a ghost town.  Super sad situation.  

As for your 2nd part... completely 100% wrong.  That mindset is dangerous... so if I don't get my way I should kill? That's caveman/savage mentality.   

[do or die]

17 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Grand Tour had an episode in Detroit (great episode) and I believe they said that in Detroit at one point was the richest city in the United States.   They had 65 factories and now they only have 3.   (Numbers might be a slight bit off).   Also the interior of Detroit is desolate and you can literally buy a rundown home and it's land for 1 dollar.   All of the working white class have moved to the suburbs and the interior is a ghost town.  Super sad situation.  

As for your 2nd part... completely 100% wrong.  That mindset is dangerous... so if I don't get my way I should kill? That's caveman/savage mentality.   

Detroit was painfully slow to adapt to the changing consumer market, and the oil crisis in the 1970s and early 1980s.   They failed to recognize the threats from Japan and Europe.  There was more and more demand for affordable, versatile, and fuel efficient cars.  Detroit continued to design and produce heavy, expensive gas guzzling cars...loaded with "options" that consumers paid extra for.  The massive layoffs, soon followed.....

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

3 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Sounds like a theory, not supported by real evidence.  Not denying groups like this are involved but the bulk of the damage is being executed by local kids of all colours, re:the arrest reports.

You didn't read the article I reckon....

[Tracker]

34 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Grand Tour had an episode in Detroit (great episode) and I believe they said that in Detroit at one point was the richest city in the United States.   They had 65 factories and now they only have 3.   (Numbers might be a slight bit off).   Also the interior of Detroit is desolate and you can literally buy a rundown home and it's land for 1 dollar.   All of the working white class have moved to the suburbs and the interior is a ghost town.  Super sad situation.  

As for your 2nd part... completely 100% wrong.  That mindset is dangerous... so if I don't get my way I should kill? That's caveman/savage mentality.   

If your group are being killed and it goes on and on, you may change your mind. The police too often see killing or the threat of death as the first option when dealing with minorities in the US. Their typical excuse is that they felt threatened and used deadly force, and the courts have almost without exception have supported this. Case in point: recently, police pulled over a black family. The male driver stated that he had a firearm and was ordered to produce his licence, which he was required to carry. He reached for the licence and the officer panicked and shot him several times, killing him in front of his wife and daughter. The officers then handcuffed the wife and daughter and kept them in the car with their dead husband/dad. The officer's defence was that he felt threatened and was acquitted. If you think of it, an officer who is supposed to be trained to respond properly in a crisis situation can kill with impunity, how can a civilian when threatened respond perfectly? After a while, if you are a member of that group, you have to assume that you will be targeted at almost any interaction.

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

If your group are being killed and it goes on and on, you may change your mind. The police too often see killing or the threat of death as the first option when dealing with minorities in the US. Their typical excuse is that they felt threatened and used deadly force, and the courts have almost without exception have supported this. Case in point: recently, police pulled over a black family. The male driver stated that he had a firearm and was ordered to produce his licence, which he was required to carry. He reached for the licence and the officer panicked and shot him several times, killing him in front of his wife and daughter. The officers then handcuffed the wife and daughter and kept them in the car with their dead husband/dad. The officer's defence was that he felt threatened and was acquitted. If you think of it, an officer who is supposed to be trained to respond properly in a crisis situation can kill with impunity, how can a civilian when threatened respond perfectly? After a while, if you are a member of that group, you have to assume that you will be targeted at almost any interaction.

Yeah, that was a good example of a cop getting off who should have went to jail. There are many other examples as well. Cops just don't get convicted for major wrongdoings in the US. Most are professionals who do their jobs very well & will put their lives on the line to protect the public. But that last 10% are power drunk pricks who would get their jollies beating up or shooting someone. It's that 10% that need rooting out. If they know they'll get away with being thugs then they'll keep doing what they're doing. If the Fear of God is put in their heads if they mess up, then most won't. No cop should feel he or she is above the law. 

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

If your group are being killed and it goes on and on, you may change your mind. The police too often see killing or the threat of death as the first option when dealing with minorities in the US. Their typical excuse is that they felt threatened and used deadly force, and the courts have almost without exception have supported this. Case in point: recently, police pulled over a black family. The male driver stated that he had a firearm and was ordered to produce his licence, which he was required to carry. He reached for the licence and the officer panicked and shot him several times, killing him in front of his wife and daughter. The officers then handcuffed the wife and daughter and kept them in the car with their dead husband/dad. The officer's defence was that he felt threatened and was acquitted. If you think of it, an officer who is supposed to be trained to respond properly in a crisis situation can kill with impunity, how can a civilian when threatened respond perfectly? After a while, if you are a member of that group, you have to assume that you will be targeted at almost any interaction.

Violence is never the answer.   

If a kid gets constantly teased and tormented at school for years with no one helping him.... does that give him the right to come to school and open fire so people will finally listen?  Give your head a shake.  

[Floyd]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Violence is never the answer.   

If a kid gets constantly teased and tormented at school for years with no one helping him.... does that give him the right to come to school and open fire so people will finally listen?  Give your head a shake.  

This is more like a student who watches the teacher randomly kill his classmates and then decides to bring a gun to school...

[Brandon]

18 minutes ago, Floyd said:

This is more like a student who watches the teacher randomly kill his classmates and then decides to bring a gun to school...

And that makes anything better?  If a teacher killed a student... that gives the other students justification to going around shooting other innocent students?  No way at all. 

[Mr Dee]

Joining, instead of pushing away. 

“What can we do? “.                    It can be done.
 

[Tracker]

23 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Violence is never the answer.   

If a kid gets constantly teased and tormented at school for years with no one helping him.... does that give him the right to come to school and open fire so people will finally listen?  Give your head a shake.  

Bad analogy. Not even close to equivalent.

[Brandon]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Bad analogy. Not even close to equivalent.

That's your opinion ,  it doesn't mean it's right.    We are allowed to each have our own opinion.

You can accept random violence against innocent people,    I believe the opposite.  To each their own.  

[Tracker]

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

That's your opinion ,  it doesn't mean it's right.    We are allowed to each have our own opinion.

You can accept random violence against innocent people,    I believe the opposite.  To each their own.  

If you cannot see that what happened to George Floyd and so many other backs in the US as lethal violence against innocent people, I do not know how to respond to that. I do not condone violence against the innocent but I can certainly understand it, and see it as an inevitable outcome of many decades of oppression.