Black Lives Matter

The Unknown Poster · June 1, 2020

Wait. Are we suggesting that people dressed like they might go out and “cause trouble” while standing on their own porch should be shot at or near sprayed? “I don’t like how you look”. Light em up. Good god. Are there really people like that here? I mean I knew of one or two but man.

and firstly the violence is perpetrated by a lot of agitators including White supremacists. Trumps remarks are designed to Inflame and keep the violence going.

Secondly there is no White guy here that can truly understand. Please pause and go read some history. Watch that Netflix series about innocence files or whatever it’s called ( some cases are white ppl too btw) to see how the deck is stacked.

think about black people and why/how they are in the US to begin. What did they have when they became free? How were they treated? KKK. Jim Crow. Civil rights movement. And then you wonder why there is poverty or cultural differences?? They have never ever ever been equal. Who here is white and afraid to give up their power, privilege or leverage so black people can be equal? Anyone want to admit it? Give me a break.

The Unknown Poster · June 1, 2020

9 minutes ago, Brandon said:

That's your opinion , it doesn't mean it's right. We are allowed to each have our own opinion.

You can accept random violence against innocent people, I believe the opposite. To each their own.

You accept random violence against Floyd?

17to85 · June 1, 2020

39 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Violence is never the answer.

If a kid gets constantly teased and tormented at school for years with no one helping him.... does that give him the right to come to school and open fire so people will finally listen? Give your head a shake.

So you are just willing to ignore the root cause? The bullies did nothing wrong? They did nothing to make the kid feel like that was his only resort?

If you don't address the cause of the issue you will keep having the same problems.

Fact is black people are still heavily discrimated against in the USA. The deck is stacked against minorities. Poverty begets poverty which begets criminal behavior. It is a vicious cycle that needs to be broken.

Fatty Liver · June 1, 2020

4 minutes ago, Tracker said:

If you cannot see that what happened to George Floyd and so many other backs in the US as lethal violence against innocent people, I do not know how to respond to that. I do not condone violence against the innocent but I can certainly understand it, and see it as an inevitable outcome of many decades of oppression.

Fill yer hat.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911

Here's one that is sure to bring us closer to social justice.

Brandon · June 1, 2020

6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

You accept random violence against Floyd?

Not at all, I'm saying two wrongs don't make a right. Violence is never the answer. I'm saying tracker thinking people going all vigilante (or the criminal version of this) is unacceptable.

His opinions differ from mine, I don't believe that if you were to be in Minneapolis right now walking down the street minding your business that a black guy has the "right" to kick the **** out of you just because you are white and he's black and he's mad. To me that's not right. Solves nothing and you (being innocent) should not become a victim for no reason.

He is saying yes Unknown poster because he's white should be beaten up and robbed because some bad cop did a stupid thing and somehow everyone should suffer.

The Unknown Poster · June 1, 2020

1 minute ago, Brandon said:

Not at all, I'm saying two wrongs don't make a right. Violence is never the answer. I'm saying tracker thinking people going all vigilante (or the criminal version of this) is unacceptable.

His opinions differ from mine, I don't believe that if you were to be in Minneapolis right now walking down the street minding your business that a black guy has the "right" to kick the **** out of you just because you are white and he's black and he's mad. To me that's not right. Solves nothing and you (being innocent) should not become a victim for no reason.

He is saying yes Unknown poster because he's white should be beaten up and robbed because some bad cop did a stupid thing and somehow everyone should suffer.

I think people are being understanding of the booking over rage. You’re looking at people being violent and saying let’s deal with that. But not saying wait, why is this happening, let’s deal with that. Treating the symptom rather than the disease.

The Unknown Poster · June 1, 2020

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

Brandon · June 1, 2020

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. - JFK

To change things around instead of beating Tracker over and over again.

This is a good saying and clearly someone like Obama who (my opinion) seemed to be a genuine guy (meaning I don't think he was a puppet to his party) would realllllllly go a long way right now to help at least unite rather then fracture the country. Even if Biden were to win ... he's also a big flake. Americans have a shaky 4 years ahead of them. It's sad that both parties can't find someone with any sort of leadership qualities.

As much as I think Trudeau is a dingleberry, even he isn't even remotely close to being the crap that the States have had and will have in the near future.

JCon · June 1, 2020

We can't change what is happening down south. We can only hope that a peaceful, just, revolution occurs.

But, we have this opportunity to repair our relationship with the indigenous of Canada and Métis.

What better time for reconciliation?

Wanna-B-Fanboy · June 1, 2020

9 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Do you have any evidence of this?

Good ol' boys

Tracker · June 1, 2020

Reports indicate that Erik Prince of Blackwater mercenary fame is recruiting people to infiltrate liberal groups. Wonder who is paying for that?

Tiny759 · June 1, 2020

2 hours ago, Tracker said:

If you cannot see that what happened to George Floyd and so many other backs in the US as lethal violence against innocent people, I do not know how to respond to that. I do not condone violence against the innocent but I can certainly understand it, and see it as an inevitable outcome of many decades of oppression.

You could say indigenous people and Canada have had a bad relationship? Im indigenous, so you would be ok if let’s say.... i was violent against you? I mean you did say you understand it after decades of oppression.

17to85 · June 1, 2020

30 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Reports indicate that Erik Prince of Blackwater mercenary fame is recruiting people to infiltrate liberal groups. Wonder who is paying for that?

tax payers duh

17to85 · June 1, 2020

15 minutes ago, Tiny759 said:

You could say indigenous people and Canada have had a bad relationship? Im indigenous, so you would be ok if let’s say.... i was violent against you? I mean you did say you understand it after decades of oppression.

The relationship between Canada and indigenous people is broken for a lot of different reasons than what's going on in the states.

I mean it's still a real gong show with so many reserves being so impoverished (which predictably leads to worse outcomes for the people living there) but it is a different animal and one that is much much harder to over come than simple discrimination.

Tiny759 · June 1, 2020

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The relationship between Canada and indigenous people is broken for a lot of different reasons than what's going on in the states.

I mean it's still a real gong show with so many reserves being so impoverished (which predictably leads to worse outcomes for the people living there) but it is a different animal and one that is much much harder to over come than simple discrimination.

Yes but racism is racism. But going by trackers logic, after decades of oppression, he understands if innocent people experience violence. More of a thought process I was playing out.

Wanna-B-Fanboy · June 1, 2020

Leadership.

Fatty Liver · June 1, 2020

Simon Nakonechny

@simon_nak

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4h

A few minutes earlier a man was about to take a large burning stick and put it to the windows of a Bell Canada building. A group of others grabbed it out of his hands before any flames spread #manifencours

Floyd · June 1, 2020

10 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

Simon Nakonechny

@simon_nak

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4h

A few minutes earlier a man was about to take a large burning stick and put it to the windows of a Bell Canada building. A group of others grabbed it out of his hands before any flames spread #manifencours

Lots of white guys there...

Mr Dee · June 1, 2020

Mr Dee · June 1, 2020

Mr Dee · June 1, 2020

How easy was that?

Cop Removes Fellow Cop's Knee from Protester's Neck
Here's what one of the 3 cops should have done when George Floyd was losing his life.

Read in TMZ: https://apple.news/AWONtXwEXSOWAjCfMwfxVFg

Wideleft · June 1, 2020

10 hours ago, Tiny759 said:

Yes but racism is racism. But going by trackers logic, after decades of oppression, he understands if innocent people experience violence. More of a thought process I was playing out.

I don't want to speak for Tracker but "understanding why someone or a group of people might get violent" is different than "being ok with violence". Our justice system takes into account why people may have performed a violent act (notwithstanding that police target minorities for arrests), but our economic system ignores why segments of society are forced into desperate situations that sometimes have violent outcomes.

Wideleft · June 1, 2020

Not directly related to the current protests, but it's additional evidence that not all "protesters" are honest actors and these types of people make it even harder for improperly trained law enforcement officers to do their jobs.

Protest problems

Matthew Slatzer displayed a sign calling Jews "the real plague" at a COVID-19 protest. Then his legal problems started catching up to him.

Nick R. Martin

June 1, 2020

A neo-Nazi who showed up to an April coronavirus protest in Ohio with a sign calling Jews “the real plague” was quietly arrested three weeks later and has been in jail ever since.

Matthew Slatzer, 36, of Canton, Ohio, was arrested on May 8 by an FBI task force for allegedly skipping three court-appointed drug tests while awaiting trial on a state felony charge involving a gun, according to records reviewed by The Daily Beast in partnership with The Informant, a publication covering hate and extremism. Slatzer also had ties to another neo-Nazi who died in a gun battle with the FBI just as COVID-19 lockdowns set in, though his arrest does not appear to be connected to that case.

The arrest came after Slatzer and another man, who has not yet been identified, showed up at the state capitol in Columbus on April 18 as part of a larger protest against lockdown orders issued to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. Slatzer and the second man became prime examples of how such protests — which took place across the nation prior to more recent unrest over the death of George Floyd in police custody — drew extremists into the fold.

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, condemned the anti-semitic display a day later, calling it “disgusting” and “vile.” "It should have no place in this discussion or any other public discussion,” the governor told reporters at a news conference.

Slatzer, who was first identified as having attended the rally by independent journalist Nate Thayer, is a member of the National Socialist Movement. He started with the group on a probationary basis but became a full member at a ceremony in November in Ulysses, Pennsylvania, according to the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism.

The NSM is a decades-old neo-Nazi group with a violent past. In 2012, one of its longtime members, JT Ready, killed four people, including a toddler, before killing himself in a Phoenix suburb. The group is also being sued in federal court in Virginia for its role in the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally, which led to the killing of anti-racist activist Heather Heyer.

In March, the FBI alleged that another NSM member, Timothy Wilson, was in the final stages of a plot to set off a vehicle bomb at a Kansas City-area hospital treating coronavirus patients. Authorities said he had decided to accelerate his plans because of lockdown orders that had been put into place in Missouri. Wilson never made it to the hospital, however, killing himself in a gun battle with FBI agents who were attempting to arrest him at a storage facility in Belton, Missouri.

Slatzer and Wilson became members of the NSM at the same ceremony, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

A photo from a November swearing-in was posted to the National Socialst Movement’s channel on Telegram shortly after the ceremony. It showed Wilson and Slatzer alongside NSM members Daniel Burnside and Randall Ramsey. Three other people were also pictured who have not been identified. The photo was taken at Burnside’s house, which is well known in the area because it is adorned with swastikas and tributes to dead neo-Nazi terrorists.

https://www.informant.news/p/protest-problems

Wideleft · June 1, 2020

LAPD: “You will be fired upon” & Floyd Eyewitness

by Greg Palast
for Buzzflash
June 1, 2020June 1, 2020

Olympic Street near LA Police headquarters in downtown LA was lit up by a bright blue and purple disco light-show from about 40 police cars, all with sirens braying. It was just past the 8pm curfew meant to stop the riot.

But there was no riot.

Still, the officer pulled up his weapon, aiming at a half dozen protesters who were, at that moment, wandering a bit lost and quiet with exhaustion, seeming unaware of the power of a “Forty”, whether the cop meant a gas canister or 40-caliber bullet. (I thought of Reporter Ruben Salazar who was killed by the LAPD in 1970 when they shot him in the head with a teargas shell). A few raised middle fingers, yelling, “**** THE POLICE!” as I walked toward the line of cops. When the one with the raised weapon repeated, “You will not get a warning! I’LL PUT A 40 MILLIMETER IN YOU,” I shouted, “PRESS! PRESS! PRESS!” holding my reporter’s ID over my head, hoping its message, and not its thin plastic, would stop the 40.

Suddenly, the cop’s etiquette changed. “Oh, I didn’t see that.”

Whew! Politely, I asked, “Were you really going to shoot someone for violating a curfew?”

“I’m not giving an interview! GET OVER THERE!” directing me out of the firing line.

The protesters wandered off, unmolested but satisfied that the Police Department’s over-the-top reaction (500 arrests as I write) had accomplished what the protesters themselves could not do: shut down Los Angeles.

On close inspection, the shouting cop’s Smith & Wesson .40 was still holstered; he’d been holding a tear gas “shotgun,” the type used all day, alongside rubber bullets, to break up the protests which the city had banned, ostensibly because of the coronavirus.

And this was the day LA was scheduled to open up, with folks allowed back in the streets. They certainly filled the streets; and now their masks had a second purpose: to screw up police surveillance.

There was an interesting ethnic division in that small part of the ersatz “riot” I witnessed. Young and middle aged Black protesters held signs. LatinX protesters carried US and Mexican flags; some rode cars, honking and slamming accelerators to leave an acrid cloud of burning tire rubber, a very LA form of protest. A rock band defied the curfew from the back of a couple of pick-up trucks riding in noisy tandem.

The cops and looters (see photos) were uniformly white.

A LatinX woman with flags was crying, inconsolable. “Where did they put my kids?!” she asked no one in particular, sobbing. Her kids were still in ICE detention at the border. She saw the police killings and the kidnapping of her children as just two episodes of the same old story.

The city closed the Griffith Park hiking trails, apparently afraid of an insurrection in the Hills. Exception: you could access the trails if you have your own horse. Presumably, the horsey set are unlikely to rebel against the regime.

In Minneapolis, our photojournalist Zach D. Roberts was slammed hard with pepper spray. But he still got the story from Charles McMillan, eyewitness to the cop’s killing of George Floyd.

McMillan said,

“I saw the police officer handcuffed Mr. Floyd and take him over to the squad car. And Mr. Floyd was on the ground. I kept telling the officer, “Brother, get your foot off his neck because he’s stopped breathing. He’s going to die. And the officer refused to get his foot off Mr. Floyd‘s neck.”
“This is the consequence everyone’s got to pay, including me watching a man die. … And I hear Mr. Floyd saying, “Mom, they’re killing me in the street.’”

Let’s connect some dots. Just three weeks ago, in Brunswick, Georgia, Ahmaud Arbery was gunned down by a retired white cop and his son, executed for “jogging while Black.”

You cannot split this from Brian Kemp’s 2018 shotgun toting campaign for governor in a race he won over Stacey Abrams by using his post as Georgia Secretary of State to wrongly purge 340,134 from the voter rolls. This mass lynching by laptop meant that Georgia’s rulers and their police feel they have absolute white immunity from the consequences of their action.

On February 8 2020, we announced a major victory in federal court in Palast v. Kemp, forcing Georgia to hand over more info on their racially poisonous vote purge operation.

The virus has slowed the court’s final entry of the order against the state, but we are not slowing down on our investigation of Georgia’s attack on voting rights. It’s simple: a government chosen by voters is less likely to kill them.

https://www.gregpalast.com/lapd-you-will-be-fired-upon-floyd-george-eyewitness/