Booch Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 well Speller went undrafted, so you never know what you get in later rounds, as been proven by Walters in last few drafts Noeller, JCon and rebusrankin 3
TrueBlue4ever Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 All valid points, but giving up a Canadian centre who started 13 games “last” season to move up 4 spots in the 6th round of the draft seems pretty chintzy, unless we upgrade the pick of they sign him. Bubba Zanetti and wbbfan 2
Noeller Posted January 27, 2021 Author Report Posted January 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: All valid points, but giving up a Canadian centre who started 13 games “last” season to move up 4 spots in the 6th round of the draft seems pretty chintzy, unless we upgrade the pick of they sign him. It was move up 4 spots or nothing.... Sooooooooo... Bigblue204 1
M.O.A.B. Posted January 27, 2021 Report Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: All valid points, but giving up a Canadian centre who started 13 games “last” season to move up 4 spots in the 6th round of the draft seems pretty chintzy, unless we upgrade the pick of they sign him. By all accounts Speller is not going to re-sign and early on there was a rumour that Argos will pursue him in FA. I guess it's not a rumour anymore. So, instead of losing him in free-agency why not at least getting something than nothing. Plus, Bombers has no leverage on this trade. Walters: Hi Pinball I want to trade you Speller I know you need a good versatile OL. Pinball: What do you want for him? Walters: I want at least a 3rd rounder. Pinball: No. We will just wait till he hit free-agency but thank you for asking. Pinball whispering: We already talked to him and we already have an agreement. 😁 Edited January 27, 2021 by M.O.A.B. Stickem, Bigblue204, Tracker and 2 others 3 2
TrueBlue4ever Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Noeller said: It was move up 4 spots or nothing.... Sooooooooo... 6 hours ago, Noeller said: It was move up 4 spots or nothing.... Sooooooooo... But as you said, it keeps Toronto from having other teams compete and drive up the price. So they had incentive to make the deal rather than wait. I just thought it would be worth more to get that advantage. 4 spots in the 6th round is essentially nothing IMO. 6 hours ago, M.O.A.B. said: By all accounts Speller is not going to re-sign and early on there was a rumour that Argos will pursue him in FA. I guess it's not a rumour anymore. So, instead of losing him in free-agency why not at least getting something than nothing. Plus, Bombers has no leverage on this trade. Walters: Hi Pinball I want to trade you Speller I know you need a good versatile OL. Pinball: What do you want for him? Walters: I want at least a 3rd rounder. Pinball: No. We will just wait till he hit free-agency but thank you for asking. Pinball whispering: We already talked to him and we already have an agreement. 😁 So if Pinball has already worked out a deal, why make this trade now, with only 4 days to the negotiation window? Clearly there was incentive to get a crack at him early. Maybe Walters could have gone to another team to start a modest bidding war. If no other interest or sense of interest, Toronto doesn’t bother with this trade. But since they saw a need to swing a deal for that extra time to themselves, Walters had an opening to leverage something. 4 spots on the 6th round seems like a whole lot of nothing to me, especially for a starting Canadian o-lineman another team is anxious to negotiate with with no other competing interests, that’s all I am saying. Who knows, maybe this is unspoken “future considerations” to complete the Collaros deal from last year, lol. Edited January 28, 2021 by TrueBlue4ever Bigblue204 1
Brandon Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 It would of been nice if we had a neg list player or something slightly better. Toronto losing 4 spots late in the draft for a starter is a steal for them. wbbfan 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 9 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Pretty useless trade to my eye. That’s a swap of 6th round picks. Who was the last 6th round pick of note for any team, much less the Bombers? Maybe the pick gets upgraded if Toronto is able to sign him. The guy who just retired from the Stamps today, Shane Bergman. I believe he was a 6th round pick.
Eternal optimist Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 Personally, I'd like to think the reason the trade came in the 12th hour is because the Bombers pushed hard to keep him. The fact they got anything in return is awesome imo. Tracker 1
GCn20 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 This is a class move by the Bombers. It frees up Speller to potentially find himself a fit before FA hits and the shiny baubles start mesmerizing the eyes of the GMs around the league. There was little doubt we were going to be unable to keep the entire crew of NI OL around and Speller deserves a chance to play. At the same time we got him to go East instead of to a divisional rival, and some of our division rivals are hurting really bad for NI OL. Tracker 1
M.O.A.B. Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Let's call it Roslovic-ism. Speller won't re-sign regardless how Walters tried. He made up his mind. He want to be a 1) starter and 2) the $ that comes with that. Nothing wrong with that he deserves it. Walters can't promise the 1st and can't give the 2nd. Toronto can give both. Edited January 28, 2021 by M.O.A.B. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1
wbbfan Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 Cant blame a guy for moving closer to his family. It is sad/funny that we've lost two good starting young NI Cs in the past few years to go back home, though the one to retirement. Some thing had to give eventually with such an embarrassment of riches at NI ol. Eli is a ridiculous stud at C ni or not. The trade moving up 4 slots in the 6th round is beyond strange but what ever value is value i guess. M.O.A.B. 1
Bigblue204 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 9 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: But as you said, it keeps Toronto from having other teams compete and drive up the price. So they had incentive to make the deal rather than wait. I just thought it would be worth more to get that advantage. 4 spots in the 6th round is essentially nothing IMO. So if Pinball has already worked out a deal, why make this trade now, with only 4 days to the negotiation window? Clearly there was incentive to get a crack at him early. Maybe Walters could have gone to another team to start a modest bidding war. If no other interest or sense of interest, Toronto doesn’t bother with this trade. But since they saw a need to swing a deal for that extra time to themselves, Walters had an opening to leverage something. 4 spots on the 6th round seems like a whole lot of nothing to me, especially for a starting Canadian o-lineman another team is anxious to negotiate with with no other competing interests, that’s all I am saying. Who knows, maybe this is unspoken “future considerations” to complete the Collaros deal from last year, lol. There's a lot of assumptions in this post. wbbfan 1
Booch Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: All valid points, but giving up a Canadian centre who started 13 games “last” season to move up 4 spots in the 6th round of the draft seems pretty chintzy, unless we upgrade the pick of they sign him. didnt start that many games at center, Our starter..Couture who is the better of the 2 is back, and we have 5 other Canadians on roster..3 of whom are 26, one 28 and Neuf fighting for 2 starter spots so we good. Draft another rookie for the pipeline and theres no issue at all. Of the 4 youngest we had, Speller was probably 4th on the totem pole..Desjarlais was already a proven really good starter in yr 1 and will only get better, especially playing beside Bryant and Eli probably has the most upside of all the 4 kids next to Gray. Gotta remember lineman take up a lot of your SMS and having too many 2nd and 3rd year contract guys can gut your roster elsewhere Stickem, Piggy 1 and Noeller 3
JCon Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 I don't really understand what sort of leverage people think that Walters had with Speller? On Sunday, he can talk to any team and it's clear he's headed back East. Walters got something for nothing. M.O.A.B., blue_gold_84, the watcher and 8 others 11
TBURGESS Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 We got a box of tape instead of nothing for Speller. It's a nothing trade IMO. Bigblue204 1
MOBomberFan Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 Joe Mack wears the moniker Sleepy Joe to this day, at least Walters is out here turning nothing into something. Evidence we now have a hustler at the helm. Tracker, the watcher, JCon and 5 others 7 1
wbbfan Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, JCon said: I don't really understand what sort of leverage people think that Walters had with Speller? On Sunday, he can talk to any team and it's clear he's headed back East. Walters got something for nothing. And thats why its the canadian mafia. walters turned nothing into some thing. I kinda feel like TO should give us a pick any way. We gave up our top pick in last years draft for resigning collaros for a season that didnt happen.
Tracker Posted January 29, 2021 Report Posted January 29, 2021 This "dilemma" is really a testament to the effectiveness of the Bombers scouting and drafting since the arrival of Walters. JCon, Piggy 1 and wbbfan 1 2
CrazyCanuck89 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Posted January 30, 2021 On 2021-01-27 at 4:34 PM, TrueBlue4ever said: Pretty useless trade to my eye. That’s a swap of 6th round picks. Who was the last 6th round pick of note for any team, much less the Bombers? Maybe the pick gets upgraded if Toronto is able to sign him. Shane Bergman 6th round Sean Thomas-Erlington 8th round Justin and Jordan Herdman-Reed 7th round Richard Sandani 8th round Colton Hunchak 8th round DJ Lalama 8th round Speller was undrafted, so moving up a couple spots in the sixth round is a good return. rebusrankin, Bigblue204 and Noeller 3
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 30, 2021 Report Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, CrazyCanuck89 said: Shane Bergman 6th round Sean Thomas-Erlington 8th round Justin and Jordan Herdman-Reed 7th round Richard Sandani 8th round Colton Hunchak 8th round DJ Lalama 8th round Speller was undrafted, so moving up a couple spots in the sixth round is a good return. Gems... wbbfan 1
wbbfan Posted January 31, 2021 Report Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Gems... True but it goes to show especially with a good front office, depth picks are as important as mid and high picks. This trade isnt likely to net us any real value but its this or nothing. SpeedFlex27 1
Colin Unger Posted February 1, 2021 Report Posted February 1, 2021 On 2021-01-28 at 10:33 AM, TBURGESS said: We got a box of tape instead of nothing for Speller. It's a nothing trade IMO. The last time we were in a trade involving a box of tape the box of tape ended up being Greg Frers. I'll take it.
Dr Zaius Posted February 1, 2021 Report Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: The last time we were in a trade involving a box of tape the box of tape ended up being Greg Frers. I'll take it. who wbbfan, SpeedFlex27 and Noeller 3
GCn20 Posted February 2, 2021 Report Posted February 2, 2021 On 2021-01-31 at 8:05 PM, Colin Unger said: The last time we were in a trade involving a box of tape the box of tape ended up being Greg Frers. I'll take it. Colin you just outed yourself as a geezer...lol. You are right though... Colin Unger 1
Colin Unger Posted February 2, 2021 Report Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, GCn20 said: Colin you just outed yourself as a geezer...lol. You are right though... Yeah well I just turned 39 today.
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