Game 50: @Montreal

[Mark F]

35 minutes ago, captaincanuck12 said:

Woo 6 straight.   Looks like 4th place is in reach and at this rate we might even miss the playoffs!

thought they msde the playoffs already. is that wrong?

[iHeart]

Maybe acquiring Benn wasn't the answer, maybe we need Stanley back in the lineup

[FrostyWinnipeg]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

 Actually no. Not even EDM has secured one yet. 

I can see them firing PaMa if they lose to OTT cause u should not be losing to perceived bad teams but it’s Chevy who made this D. Who has he drafted for the D?

Morrissey

Trouba

and it’s a big drop there to 

Poolman

 

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by FrostyWinnipeg

[TrueBlue4ever]

So I am not going to suggest a panic move like a firing or a benching, but I am more angry about tonight’s loss than the past few. Some of my rantings and answers to a few of the previous posts:

-firing Maurice now or after the season will not cure what is ailing the team now, but there is some stuff he and the coaching staff should be doing that they aren’t, so they are hardly blameless. More on that in a bit. And Gerard Gallant is one available name out there who would not make me feel like the firing was just a knee jerk move that would replace a good coach with a poorer choice just for the sake of a short term shake-up.

-Benn may not have been the answer, but he is not near the biggest problem right now. In fact he may be playing the steadiest simplest game right now on the back end and the team could use more of that. In fact, at this point I would welcome Dylan DeMelo being the exposed defenceman in the draft instead of Stanley.

- The confidence of this team is so fragile right now, and that is what is really killing them. In the 6-1 loss, after they got down 2 they panicked and made flat out stupid plays that ended up in their own net. In the  3-1 loss they were so focussed on not making any defensive mistakes they forgot that you need to score to win a game. And tonight when they got up 3-1 they still played a straight line game but were skating and trying to make creative plays. But once the game was tied they completely froze up and played the entire 3rd period not to fall behind, and of course it eventually caught up with them. If they played from the middle of the second period like they played for the 2 minutes between giving up the power play and empty net goals, they win this game. And that really angers me, seeing them coast until they realize they might lose, and only then does the urgency and effort on the boards happen. This team flat out is not giving the effort required to win. Not a talent issue, but a commitment issue. The players and not the coach need to answer for that lack of effort. 
 

-Now for the coaches. The penalty kill early on the year was getting burned by pressing up high because teams were getting the puck low and outnumbering them for easy passing plays. So they adjusted and decided to sit back and try to block the shot lanes, which worked for a while and got their average up. But their opponents have adjusted again and now are accepting the box the Jets play and moving the puck around until they collapse down low, and then feed the point (which is the high slot in reality) for the shot, and the blocks are not happening. Time to adjust again  and pressure on the penalty kill and force bad passes and rushed decisions. Watched Calgary play Edmonton this way on Thursday to a tee and McDavid looked hurried and human. So the system needs
tweaking and that is on the coaches.

-Also, the best line tonight through 2 periods was the 4th line, and they got 5 shifts and 3 minutes of time on ice in the 3rd (Lewis got an extra shift because of the penalty kill, and the last shift for that trip was after the empty netter), while Connor got 7 shifts and 6 minutes and had zero shots in the game. Scheifele had 7 shifts and played 8 minutes in the third. His shortest shift of the period was 50 seconds and his last 4 shifts were all over 1:10, so he was not adhering to the “short shift” game plan, all to get one shot on net. so blame to the coaches for abandoning the 4th line a bit and blame the players for not regulating themselves and playing selfish.

- Scheifele moped about his benching a bit but he deserved it and had not responded at all the way a leader needs to. Connor has been hot garbage lately. And Dubois does not look like a top 3 draft pick at all. Wheeler is trying but has slowed down and has been hurt all year. Hellebuyck whines even more about getting pulled and has looked extremely below average since (again tor eh Calgary game, Jacob Markstrom was confidently throwing himself at pucks, while Helle just drops to his knees and hopes the puck hits him without much flinching). Our best players are shrinking instead of stepping up. We look slow and don’t hit. Again, Calgary skated with Edmonton, kept them outside, were on top of them at every turn, and battled hard on the boards. Our stars are playing soft right now. I’ll let people debate of that is on the coaching staff not motivating them or on the star players for not putting in the effort needed to be a professional.

And to close with a sobering stat - this is the first 6 game losing streak in Jets 2.0 history. They have never struggled like this in their 10 years since their return, so this stretch truly is rock bottom for this incarnation of the franchise. 
 

Just my musings from the cheap seats. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by TrueBlue4ever

[Stickem]

So no changes needed????hmmmmm...Like the song said 'the more you near your destination the more you're slip slidin' away.......Looks like an early exit in 2021....This baloney about not making a deal to shore up the defense really irks me...This team is/was ready to win NOW....Not making a deal and maybe sacrificing some of our assets is bull$hit.....I think the team read into the NON MOVE at the trade deadline was that management thinks we can win with status quo...That was a big mistake and has deflated the club...Most of the guys are looking at the deals the other clubs made to improve has left us on the sidelines...Have they thrown in the towel??...I would hope not but it sure looks that way right now...There's definitely an internal problem and in the end someone's arse should/will be definitely in a sling...I hope I'm totally wrong and the team rebounds with a vengeance...right now I don't see it

[kelownabomberfan]

13 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

So I am not going to suggest a panic move like a firing or a benching, but I am more angry about tonight’s loss than the past few. Some of my rantings and answers to a few of the previous posts:

-firing Maurice now or after the season will not cure what is ailing the team now, but there is some stuff he and the coaching staff should be doing that they aren’t, so they are hardly blameless. More on that in a bit. And Gerard Gallant is one available name out there who would not make me feel like the firing was just a knee jerk move that would replace a good coach with a poorer choice just for the sake of a short term shake-up.

-Benn may not have been the answer, but he is not near the biggest problem right now. In fact he may be playing the steadiest simplest game right now on the back end and the team could use more of that. In fact, at this point I would welcome Dylan DeMelo being the exposed defenceman in the draft instead of Stanley.

- The confidence of this team is so fragile right now, and that is what is really killing them. In the 6-1 loss, after they got down 2 they panicked and made flat out stupid plays that ended up in their own net. In the  3-1 loss they were so focussed on not making any defensive mistakes they forgot that you need to score to win a game. And tonight when they got up 3-1 they still played a straight line game but were skating and trying to make creative plays. But once the game was tied they completely froze up and played the entire 3rd period not to fall behind, and of course it eventually caught up with them. If they played from the middle of the second period like they played for the 2 minutes between giving up the power play and empty net goals, they win this game. And that really angers me, seeing them coast until they realize they might lose, and only then does the urgency and effort on the boards happen. This team flat out is not giving the effort required to win. Not a talent issue, but a commitment issue. The players and not the coach need to answer for that lack of effort. 
 

-Now for the coaches. The penalty kill early on the year was getting burned by pressing up high because teams were getting the puck low and outnumbering them for easy passing plays. So they adjusted and decided to sit back and try to block the shot lanes, which worked for a while and got their average up. But their opponents have adjusted again and now are accepting the box the Jets play and moving the puck around until they collapse down low, and then feed the point (which is the high slot in reality) for the shot, and the blocks are not happening. Time to adjust again  and pressure on the penalty kill and force bad passes and rushed decisions. Watched Calgary play Edmonton this way on Thursday to a tee and McDavid looked hurried and human. So the system needs
tweaking and that is on the coaches.

-Also, the best line tonight through 2 periods was the 4th line, and they got 5 shifts and 3 minutes of time on ice in the 3rd (Lewis got an extra shift because of the penalty kill, and the last shift for that trip was after the empty netter), while Connor got 7 shifts and 6 minutes and had zero shots in the game. Scheifele had 7 shifts and played 8 minutes in the third. His shortest shift of the period was 50 seconds and his last 4 shifts were all over 1:10, so he was not adhering to the “short shift” game plan, all to get one shot on net. so blame to the coaches for abandoning the 4th line a bit and blame the players for not regulating themselves and playing selfish.

- Scheifele moped about his benching a bit but he deserved it and had not responded at all the way a leader needs to. Connor has been hot garbage lately. And Dubois does not look like a top 3 draft pick at all. Wheeler is trying but has slowed down and has been hurt all year. Hellebuyck whines even more about getting pulled and has looked extremely below average since (again tor eh Calgary game, Jacob Markstrom was confidently throwing himself at pucks, while Helle just drops to his knees and hopes the puck hits him without much flinching). Our best players are shrinking instead of stepping up. We look slow and don’t hit. Again, Calgary skated with Edmonton, kept them outside, were on top of them at every turn, and battled hard on the boards. Our stars are playing soft right now. I’ll let people debate of that is on the coaching staff not motivating them or on the star players for not putting in the effort needed to be a professional.

And to close with a sobering stat - this is the first 6 game losing streak in Jets 2.0 history. They have never struggled like this in their 10 years since their return, so this stretch truly is rock bottom for this incarnation of the franchise. 
 

Just my musings from the cheap seats. 

Starting to get flashbacks to the 1980-81 season...when we finally won after 27 losses it was like winning the Stanley Cup.  And they beat the Islanders of all teams to break the streak...

[FrostyWinnipeg]

48 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Starting to get flashbacks to the 1980-81 season...when we finally won after 27 losses it was like winning the Stanley Cup.  And they beat the Islanders of all teams to break the streak...

Hamel with the win?

[Mark F]

15 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Scheifele moped about his benching a bit but he deserved it and had not responded at all the way a leader needs to.

got a goalie with a multi million contract who can not be fired, publicly calling down the head coach decision.

some other player criticised the head coach.

team, coach cant do anything.

has sydney crosby, or toews ever done this?

when did a player on the bombers call out oshea?

must be no fun to be a lesser player on this team, keeping your head down, trying to play hard, and avoid the b.s.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Mark F

[kelownabomberfan]

2 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Hamel with the win?

yes on that one - and I got the team they beat wrong - it was the Colorado Rockies they beat to end the losing streak.  30 games!   Yikes.

Winless in Winnipeg: 1980–81 Jets Set Record Streak (thehockeywriters.com)

now the silver lining on that horrible season was that we ended up with Dale Hawerchuk.  

[JCon]

17 hours ago, Mark F said:

got a goalie with a multi million contract who can not be fired, publicly calling down the head coach decision.

Helle always complains when he gets pulled. I don't know of a goalie that doesn't. 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

With their overtime win over OTT, MTL is just 2 points behind the Jets. Both teams have played 50 games.

[captaincanuck12]

I still maintain that the Jets have a better chance against the Leafs then they do against Edmonton.   So 4th place isn't great but I doubt there is any real home ice advantage in these playoffs.

Still the Jets play of late is extremely concerning and nothing suggests this team is ready for playoff hockey.   We need some w's in the column though to at least build some confidence or it's another first round exit.

[Mark F]

7 hours ago, JCon said:

Helle always complains when he gets pulled. I don't know of a goalie that doesn't. 

i need many examples with goalie quotes.

kidding.

 

 

4 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

With their overtime win over OTT, MTL is just 2 points behind the Jets. Both teams have played 50 games.

situation is sub optimal.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Mark F