FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 13, 2021 Report Posted July 13, 2021 Time to start a new thread now that the cup has been won. Noeller 1
Brandon Posted July 13, 2021 Report Posted July 13, 2021 I'm surprised they couldn't do a trade with either of them while retaining some salary... at least get some assets or draft picks?
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 13, 2021 Author Report Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) On 2021-07-13 at 4:09 PM, Brandon said: I'm surprised they couldn't do a trade with either of them while retaining some salary... at least get some assets or draft picks? Expand I'd say near impossible to trade Parise with 4 years left on his 7.5m contract. He bottomed out on a "comeback year" 🤔 for the Wild. Suter same contract but maybe someone go Keith on him. Edited July 13, 2021 by FrostyWinnipeg captaincanuck12 1
captaincanuck12 Posted July 13, 2021 Report Posted July 13, 2021 I thought that was the dumbest signing by the Wild in terms of length, 15 M of cap gone for 9 straight years. I liked Parise and Suter but Minne greatly overpaid and it didn't really bring them success. It's now Matt Dumba's team. FrostyWinnipeg 1
iHeart Posted July 13, 2021 Report Posted July 13, 2021 gee I wonder what the Jets could possibly do to outdo everything
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 15, 2021 Author Report Posted July 15, 2021 https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets/2021/07/14/laine-tells-finnish-publication-his-struggles-were-tied-tortorella/7966138002/ Wait Torts wanted him to play defensively as well. The horror! 😱
HardCoreBlue Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-13 at 3:52 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: Time to start a new thread now that the cup has been won. Expand I see the same scenario with Nugent-Hopkins in a few years. Get a couple of more productive years from him but the price you pay for this is giving him more contact years then warranted. Bubble wrap strategy on purpose.
Mark F Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 2021-07-13 at 5:01 PM, captaincanuck12 said: I thought that was the dumbest signing by the Wild in terms of length, 15 M of cap gone for 9 straight years. I liked Parise and Suter but Minne greatly overpaid and it didn't really bring them success. It's now Matt Dumba's team. Expand I temember when they signed them, listening to kfan minnespolis, they were promoting this, bring parise home. lol. even I knew it was stupid move. Edited July 15, 2021 by Mark F
FrostyWinnipeg Posted July 15, 2021 Author Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 3:42 PM, HardCoreBlue said: I see the same scenario with Nugent-Hopkins in a few years. Get a couple of more productive years from him but the price you pay for this is giving him more contact years then warranted. Bubble wrap strategy on purpose. Expand RNH will be paid less in his 30's then Little which makes it a great contract. On 2021-07-15 at 3:45 PM, Mark F said: I temember when they signed them, listening to kfan minnespolis, they were promoting this, bring parise home. lol. even I knew it was stupid move. Expand Correct me if im wrong. Did they not get a new owner who promised to open the wallet at the time?
Mark F Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 3:55 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: RNH will be paid less in his 30's then Little which makes it a great contract. Correct me if im wrong. Did they not get a new owner who promised to open the wallet at the time? Expand correct
Bubba Zanetti Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 3:22 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets/2021/07/14/laine-tells-finnish-publication-his-struggles-were-tied-tortorella/7966138002/ Wait Torts wanted him to play defensively as well. The horror! 😱 Expand That kid will never "get it". He's going to be a one trick pony for as long as his body holds up. So much potential for him to be Ovechkin 2.0 but he's going to waste it.
HardCoreBlue Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 3:22 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets/2021/07/14/laine-tells-finnish-publication-his-struggles-were-tied-tortorella/7966138002/ Wait Torts wanted him to play defensively as well. The horror! 😱 Expand My guess he's also getting some 'guidance and support' from people in his inner circle that helps facilitate this rationale. FrostyWinnipeg 1
Bubba Zanetti Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 He's basically saying he cant/doesnt want to work within a team system. He's torpedoing his own value. Mark F and Dr Zaius 1 1
bustamente Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 Laine is going to learn some big time lessons in the next few years if his attitude doesn't change, he is not the player that he and his entourage think he is Mark F 1
HardCoreBlue Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 3:22 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/nhl/columbus-blue-jackets/2021/07/14/laine-tells-finnish-publication-his-struggles-were-tied-tortorella/7966138002/ Wait Torts wanted him to play defensively as well. The horror! 😱 Expand Back in the day we use to call players who didn't come back defensively and hung around centre ice as cherry pickers.
TrueBlue4ever Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 All that said, Laine isn’t wrong……..hear me out. He has an offensive gift maybe one or two other guys in the NHL have (Ovi and Stamkos). There’s a phrase “you don’t drive a Lamborghini like it’s a Jeep” but in today’s lockdown NHL that individual creativity doesn’t fly, teams want cookie cutter players that have good advanced metrics and play “the system”. So the team would prefer a 20 goal Laine who plays sound defence vs. the 50-60 goal Laine who cherry picks. Guess which is of more value to Laine? Andrew Copp wants a big raise and won’t point to his defensive strengths to get it, he’ll point to his offensive surge this year, like every player does. And fans prefer to see a 60 goal scorer over a 1970’s Selke candidate who kills penalties. So I get his frustration, and don’t we all secretly love a guy who candidly speaks his mind rather than diving into cliche world in every interview, even if we publicly tsk tsk the bad form of it and call him selfish?
Bubba Zanetti Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 2021-07-15 at 7:41 PM, TrueBlue4ever said: All that said, Laine isn’t wrong……..hear me out. He has an offensive gift maybe one or two other guys in the NHL have (Ovi and Stamkos). There’s a phrase “you don’t drive a Lamborghini like it’s a Jeep” but in today’s lockdown NHL that individual creativity doesn’t fly, teams want cookie cutter players that have good advanced metrics and play “the system”. So the team would prefer a 20 goal Laine who plays sound defence vs. the 50-60 goal Laine who cherry picks. Guess which is of more value to Laine? Andrew Copp wants a big raise and won’t point to his defensive strengths to get it, he’ll point to his offensive surge this year, like every player does. And fans prefer to see a 60 goal scorer over a 1970’s Selke candidate who kills penalties. So I get his frustration, and don’t we all secretly love a guy who candidly speaks his mind rather than diving into cliche world in every interview, even if we publicly tsk tsk the bad form of it and call him selfish? Expand Problem is for every goal he scores he gives one up due to his putrid defensive play. It sounds like the guy just wants to float around center ice and get fed one timers on the PP. Edited July 15, 2021 by Bubba Zanetti HardCoreBlue 1
TrueBlue4ever Posted July 15, 2021 Report Posted July 15, 2021 On 2021-07-15 at 8:04 PM, Bubba Zanetti said: Problem is for every goal he scores he gives one up with due to his putrid defensive play. It sounds like the guy just wants to float around center ice and get fed one timers on the PP. Expand True. And he would counter by saying “if I get better defensively I will still give up 20-25 against if I score 20. If I play my way I may give up 40 against but might hit 60. And the more I score the more the other team chases the game, improving our offensive chances on our end.” Selfish, but if he can back it up, itain’t bragging.
HardCoreBlue Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 2021-07-17 at 5:06 PM, FrostyWinnipeg said: Expand So by year 4 bubble wrap. FrostyWinnipeg 1
TrueBlue4ever Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 I guess Montreal’s GM figures the surprise Cup run has bought him some goodwill with the fans, because they are playing some dangerous games with the expansion draft. First they announce a “career threatening injury” for Shea Weber (who funnily enough looked healthy throughout the playoffs) and leave him unprotected, which many experts figure is a phoney statement to protect Chariot, Edmundson, and Petry on defence and scare Seattle away from risking the Weber pick. The league actually said they are watching closely to see if any monkey business occurs. Now they hear that Seattle will take Jake Allen so they expose Carey Price figuring the high salary will scare off Seattle once again. My hope is that they grab Price and call Montreal’s bluff. The fans would lose it, and at worst Seattle has a rock solid goalie in the Mark Andra Fleury vein, or they go back to Montreal and negotiate a trade with them so return the Habs saviour this past decade to them. All this to say those who complain that Chevy made no moves forget how Vegas burned so many teams last time. Take your lumps, lose one player and move on. Appleton or DeMelo are not the difference between winning a Stanley Cup and missing the playoffs. bb1 and rebusrankin 2
HardCoreBlue Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 On 2021-07-18 at 3:06 PM, HardCoreBlue said: So by year 4 bubble wrap. Expand It means 3, 4 (or maybe 5) years into his new extended contract my guess he won't be worth the money they are still on the hook for him ergo buy him out.
rebusrankin Posted July 18, 2021 Report Posted July 18, 2021 Looking at the list, it actually makes sense for Seattle to select Price. Kind of hoping it happens to see Habs fans lose it.
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