Vaccine Debate

[blue_gold_84]

8 minutes ago, JCon said:

Truly the stupidest people. 

She clearly doesn't know, understand, or even appreciate the relatively recent history of her own country. And that's exactly why views or opinions made from uninformed, uneducated or ignorant standpoints should not be tolerated.

1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:

There also seems to be a lot of people who very much want to be seen as oppressed. And any inconvenience regardless of how trivial is now being used as a war cry!

They can't differentiate between being inconvenienced and being oppressed. And that's seemingly due to being blinded by their own privilege and/or entitlement.

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Not quite. There are very real people who have had very real consequences dealing with the bolded. Trauma/health issues/death etc etc etc. I'm not saying everyone who mistrusts though agencies have a lived experience that would warrant it. But some do. Hence writing people off who hold those concerns is not a valid response in my opinion.

No what I am saying is these people use a broad brush to paint whichever entity they distrust because of one segment of it.

[Bigblue204]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

No what I am saying is these people use a broad brush to paint whichever entity they distrust because of one segment of it.

Some yes. But not all. 

[Goalie]

Maybe I hang out with weird people cuz the only real hostility and negativity I see in the world is online either Facebook Twitter (deleted it) or on any comment section. 

The internet with its hidden identities is a huge problem 

Like ppl posting bs about Manitoba stuff from the US or Overseas. Problem is those ppl have been given a voice but not in real actual life( I don't see it much) 

If I don't like something now I can join an online mob and cancel it. 

But really in real life? Who the **** has the time 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Goalie

[SpeedFlex27]

9 hours ago, Yourface said:

Well maybe it's just me, but I don't want to live in a world where we are frowned upon for criticizing the government. To label those who do so as "uneducated, overly entitled narcissists who only care about themselves" is wrong. In their minds they are fighting for our freedoms, and therefore are doing the right thing. Insults only serve to antagonize in this context.

You're right, my statement may have been too general. However in the context of the pandemic, there are plenty of statistics and expert opinions that support various viewpoints. Of course we won't all agree. It is silly to believe that we ever will.

There is antisocial behaviour on both sides. It is fine to believe what you believe and argue accordingly, but an open mind is healthy, and hostility is not the answer.

Fighting for freedoms? If you get the jabs you can go anywhere. All antivaxxers are fighting for is further isolation. As far as anti social behaviour goes, I don't see a lot of vaxxed people going around demonstrating for their freedumbs or being assholes on social media. They mind theor own business & get on with their lives as best they can during the pandemic by masking up, respecting other people's space & getting vaxxed. People like Chris Sky & the 2 wacked pastors (Pawlowski brothers) in Calgary deserve all the scorn they get. I have little time or sympathy for antivaxxers that whine, ***** or complain. 

I was in Seattle & Portland visiting family during the American Thanksgiving holiday weekend. People everywhere were wearing masks & respecting one another by trying to social distance the best they can. Just like here in Canada. I was expecting to see people not wearing masks in public as it's the US but that wasn't the case.

We were in a mall in Portland called Washington Square. It was super busy as it was Black Friday. There wasn't anyone who wasn't wearing a mask. Most people just want to get back to the way things used to be & are willing to do whatever they can to get it that way. 

Edited December 10, 2021 by SpeedFlex27

[Tracker]

6 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

people who don't actually know what war is about always bring this up. And it's shocking the disconnect that's apparent. Choice vs no choice doesn't seem to connect with them. 

They also seem to forget that the one thing that helped bring them out of WWII was a massive collective effort from multiple countries and individuals gladly giving up their own freedoms even when faced with certain death, to help out those who didn't have a choice.

There also seems to be a lot of people who very much want to be seen as oppressed. And any inconvenience regardless of how trivial is now being used as a war cry!

If these same people who are comparing health restrictions to Nazi Germany thought that comparing them to the Smurfs would agitate their targets, they would do that instead. 

[the watcher]

I see no difference between ignoring health restrictions, doctors, infectious disease specialists, pandemic specialists,  ......on Covid and me deciding there is no problem with me running stop signs and red lights. I'm a great driver, I have my class 1, why should they be able restrict my freedoms. I'm pretty sure I heard a guy on Facebook said traffic would run much better that way.

Some opinions make no sense. If that was my real opinion  it doesn't deserve respect. We have rules and regulations to help our society run, for the good of everyone. We have enforcement to enact those rules because some people don't get that.

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, the watcher said:

I see no difference between ignoring health restrictions, doctors, infectious disease specialists, pandemic specialists,  ......on Covid and me deciding there is no problem with me running stop signs and red lights. I'm a great driver, I have my class 1, why should they be able restrict my freedoms. I'm pretty sure I heard a guy on Facebook said traffic would run much better that way.

Some opinions make no sense. If that was my real opinion  it doesn't deserve respect. We have rules and regulations to help our society run, for the good of everyone. We have enforcement to enact those rules because some people don't get that.

The only thing I would modify on this post is these 'critical thinkers who refuse to sheepishly follow what the the government says to do' will post a few links showing a few traffic experts with years of experience shows stop signs and red lights actually cause more deaths than prevent them even though the majority of his colleagues in this field suggest otherwise.  

[JCon]

Just now, HardCoreBlue said:

The only thing I would modify on this post is these 'critical thinkers who refuse to sheepishly follow what the the government says to do' will post a few links showing a few traffic experts with years of experience shows stop signs and red lights actually cause more deaths than prevent them even though the majority of his colleagues in this field suggest otherwise.  

This reminded me of when Kentucky added a roundabout and hilarity ensued. 

 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, the watcher said:

I see no difference between ignoring health restrictions, doctors, infectious disease specialists, pandemic specialists,  ......on Covid and me deciding there is no problem with me running stop signs and red lights. I'm a great driver, I have my class 1, why should they be able restrict my freedoms. I'm pretty sure I heard a guy on Facebook said traffic would run much better that way.

Some opinions make no sense. If that was my real opinion  it doesn't deserve respect. We have rules and regulations to help our society run, for the good of everyone. We have enforcement to enact those rules because some people don't get that.

Okay another addition to your post. 🙂 

We will also hear, 'oh yes I share your opinion because it's based on solid facts but come on we, even though all these facts are readily accessible for consumption thru a variety of venues, need to respect and give a platform to these people to share their opinions that make no sense, have no basis in fact and are hurting other people besides themselves financially, socially and health wise. 

[MOBomberFan]

A religious sect of the pro-COVID crowd being very Christ-like in their efforts to intimidate and blackmail a reporter. Good people on both sides

[blue_gold_84]

1 hour ago, MOBomberFan said:

A religious sect of the pro-COVID crowd being very Christ-like in their efforts to intimidate and blackmail a reporter. Good people on both sides

"But both sides are being hostile!"

Yeah, calling a stupid person stupid is not the same as threatening a reporter or their family.

Edited December 10, 2021 by blue_gold_84

[Noeller]

11 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

"But both sides are being hostile!"

Yeah, calling a stupid person stupid is not the same as threating a reporter or their family.

If you don't let them know they're stupid, how will they ever know? 

[HardCoreBlue]

Yea I know, 'fake' news.

Tons of articles, verified stories that say otherwise from reputable public health experts. This pandemic is fake Sheep, wake up!

Sure thing Karen, Todd.

[WildPath]

5 hours ago, Noeller said:

If you don't let them know they're stupid, how will they ever know? 

Elementary school teacher here. I have had this exact thought numerous times throughout the pandemic when I hear wacko anti-vax arguments and research.

 

Maybe I am emboldening a future generation who know more than the "experts" and sheep that listen to them. 🙄

[HardCoreBlue]

17 minutes ago, WildPath said:

Elementary school teacher here. I have had this exact thought numerous times throughout the pandemic when I hear wacko anti-vax arguments and research.

 

Maybe I am emboldening a future generation who know more than the "experts" and sheep that listen to them. 🙄

You’re doing such important work. We appreciate it. Well at least most of us do.  

[Tracker]

 

                         

[Mark H.]

10 hours ago, Tracker said:

 

                         

And if you add just a few more letters, it spells Ivermectin. 

#mindblown 

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2021-12-10 at 11:36 AM, MOBomberFan said:

A religious sect of the pro-COVID crowd being very Christ-like in their efforts to intimidate and blackmail a reporter. Good people on both sides

More like Pontius Pilate.

[MOBomberFan]

Surely they just need someone to reach out and sit down with them, really try listening and help them feel like their concerns have been heard

[HardCoreBlue]

43 minutes ago, MOBomberFan said:

Surely they just need someone to reach out and sit down with them, really try listening and help them feel like their concerns have been heard

No no those aren’t the ones we are talking about. We are talking about the people who are heavily influence by these nut jobs. We need to show tolerance to these people even tho they are not only resisting a Health Canada approved vaccine they are also spreading these same lies, misinformation and violent tactics to others who are then doing the same thing. 

[Noeller]

The time for carrots is over.... It's time for big, heavy, painful sticks.... 

[FrostyWinnipeg]

Did we really need another Covid thread? 

Although this is appropriate for this thread.

 

[HardCoreBlue]

21 hours ago, Noeller said:

The time for carrots is over.... It's time for big, heavy, painful sticks.... 

This is what you'll hear using a carrot or a stick:

'But but but my body my choice. You do what you want to do I'll even drive anyone who wants a shot however don't discriminate it's my choice. I'm not anti vax I'm pro choice. Lets just be kind to each other'.

Okay, if that's your feeling DO NOT complain about the consequences of that approach. It's called consequences of your behaviour, i.e., your ability to move around others will be severely limited. This is NOT discrimination.

Your behaviour impacts other people, services etc. You do not live in isolation freely able to do what you feel you want to do. A collective effort is needed to thwart this pandemic, don't hide your selfishness behind this shallow be kind to one another shite. Really being kind to one another is getting vaccinated you twerp.

[Goalie]

I'm vaxxed...  my kid is going on the weekend.. 

I guess... some ppl I know aren't vaxxed because they are scared or very very overly religious or children of those who are overly religious.

Religion is a problem.  Jesus? Anytime now dude.. but they'd shoot you wouldn't they?