2022 Off Season - Back 2 Back Champs Edition

[Noeller]

 

 

[Arnold_Palmer]

42 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

I sure hope so. There’s plenty of opportunity for someone to step up in the receiving core. I’m sure it wasn’t easy to watch on the sidelines wishing you were on the field being able to make an impact so hopefully make stronger then ever. 

[Stickem]

We got a glimpse of Jackson last year and until his unfortunate injury. he was really getting noticed... We had high hopes for this guy, and by the sounds of his eagerness, it's looking good and he could be a solid addition to the receiving corps

[wbbfan]

7 hours ago, GCn20 said:

A Div 1 team spends more on player development in a year than any CFL/XFL/USFL team spends on their entire operations. These kids are polished gems or they will never be. Also, being pro ready in other sports is about playing time, in pro football it's about understanding expanded playbooks. Football is about having the skills to play your position, having the physical ability to do so, and demonstrating that you can do it with the Friday night lights on. At 22-23 you either can or you can't. I suppose if one wanted to make the argument that Canadian players could be coached up, I would agree a little more, as they have for the most part been subject to subpar competition and coaching compared to what is needed in the pros. However, that's not the discussion. I suppose if it didn't cost the NFL anything at all, they could probably find some guys with behavioral problems or high measurables/low football IQ and fill some rosters up to see if it works out but realistically they would not spend money on this.

No. The us has 125 d1 football teams and the top few big names schools like bama do. But even that isnt not drastic because they dont pay players. 

Also no. A small handful of guys each year step into the NFL and do what they did in college at the NFL level. But even with the level of athleticism and talent in the ncaa, execution and parity are low. The 3rd wr on nearly all d1 teams are either poor athletes with good skills or vice versa. The 5th guy on every nfl roster is a very good athlete and has good skills. 

The difference between top players in d1 and top players in the NFL looks small, until you see how much polish goes into position coaching in the NFL. You can dominate college as a great athlete with bad skills. You can't in the NFL. Because the depth guys are very close to the top tier guys. The depth guys in most d1 programs aren't very good. 

Its not bad behavior or low football IQ that has guys fall between the cracks. Kurt warner wasn't any of those things. Tom brady would've never got the chance to start on 20+ nfl teams. Every year tons and tons of guys fall between the cracks for no reason other then they dont get enough reps to show what they can do, and improve. RB for instance. The deepest position in all of football and north american sports. Lots of guys have no problems but will never get enough of a look. If every Imp rb in the cfl was gone tomorrow never to return and they had to be replaced, the talent level wouldn't drop off at all. 

 

3 hours ago, Stickem said:

We got a glimpse of Jackson last year and until his unfortunate injury. he was really getting noticed... We had high hopes for this guy, and by the sounds of his eagerness, it's looking good and he could be a solid addition to the receiving corps

He was supposed to be a shoe in to start before he got hurt. Imagine that now, would they have packed it in with darvin? would it have cost bailey his spot? Says an awful lot about what he can do. 

Can't wait to see what he does in camp and pre season this year. Having a 2nd camp could help him jump start his career and shorten the rookie-sophomore adjustment period. 

[SpeedFlex27]

10 hours ago, GCn20 said:

You are the one arguing about it. I'm sorry your son had a bad experience at SFU. It happens to all programs once in a while that they hire a dud. However, I did not state that ALL NCAA teams operate like the pros, I said Div 1 teams do. Massive drop off from Div 1 to Div 2,3 obviously. That's why it's rare air for Div 2 and 3 QBs in the pros. They simply are not the same calibre of QB as a Div 1 QB as a general rule. All the "farm team" time in the world isn't likely to make a difference in their chances of playing any meaningful snaps as a pro unless they are specialists like Streveler etc. With 130 Div 1 teams churning out QBs year nevermind Div2.3 it is simply a numbers game for the vast majority. NFL will almost always take the Div 1 guys, CFL will take what's left and the cream of the crop of Div 2 or 3 and the rest have to look at life after football because they simply weren't good enough to go pro. That's life. No one is going to spend millions of dollars trying to develop Div 2 or 3 QBs, why would they, there is a bumper crop of new Div1 ones every year.

Only a small percentage of college qbs actually start & play pro. As far as SFU goes, yeah it was unfortunate but everyone has moved on. Some are playing in the CFL. Others are coaching. Former players are living their lives & probably don't think too much anymore about the years they spent at SFU. My son is now coaching qbs in Seattle & is enjoying the coaching & mentoring that he does. 

SFU was a disaster under Bates. Scores of 50-0, 60-0 & 70-0 were common during his tenure. Poor coaching, poor recruiting, politics, favouritism. kack of support from university administration, you name it. Things were ****** up. A poorly run program.  It still isn't where it should be competitively but I think things are better now. They finally built a stadium on campus for their games.

That 3 season losing streak was epic. The only satisfaction a lot of Bates former players took was that he never won a single game as HC. 

Edited March 2, 2022 by SpeedFlex27

[Noeller]

 

[camper_2]

4 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

Watching his 9 plus minute video, looks like a keeper. Mike Miller is a heck of a player, Antonio comes from a good program and appears to have the tools needed for special teams and working out of the backfield. Excellent signing...

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, camper_2 said:

Watching his 9 plus minute video, looks like a keeper. Mike Miller is a heck of a player, Antonio comes from a good program and appears to have the tools needed for special teams and working out of the backfield. Excellent signing...

What a gem. This guy plays all the teams and isn't just out cheating and head hunting. Some great away from the play blocks and discipline. Classic mafia ni pick up. 

[GCn20]

18 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Only a small percentage of college qbs actually start & play pro. As far as SFU goes, yeah it was unfortunate but everyone has moved on. Some are playing in the CFL. Others are coaching. Former players are living their lives & probably don't think too much anymore about the years they spent at SFU. My son is now coaching qbs in Seattle & is enjoying the coaching & mentoring that he does. 

SFU was a disaster under Bates. Scores of 50-0, 60-0 & 70-0 were common during his tenure. Poor coaching, poor recruiting, politics, favouritism. kack of support from university administration, you name it. Things were ****** up. A poorly run program.  It still isn't where it should be competitively but I think things are better now. They finally built a stadium on campus for their games.

That 3 season losing streak was epic. The only satisfaction a lot of Bates former players took was that he never won a single game as HC. 

Sure does sound like SFU had a terrible time under Bates, and your son had unfortunate timing to transfer there. I am sure many other programs have had similar ups and downs and hopefully SFU recovers fully.

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

 

Undrafted Canuck, I'd be happy if he had any positive impact on STs and made our team. If he is the next Mike Miller...that would be gravy.

[SpeedFlex27]

14 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Sure does sound like SFU had a terrible time under Bates, and your son had unfortunate timing to transfer there. I am sure many other programs have had similar ups and downs and hopefully SFU recovers fully.

 

Probably the worst program in the NCAA at the time. I could tell you stories but it would sound like sour grapes if I said anything more. I will say one thing positive. Tyler's QB Coach was Joe Paopao. In March 2015, he blew out his hamstring training in the off season before his senior year. He should have had surgery but was misdiagnosed.

He was sidelined during Spring Practice in April. He was limited as to what he could do at the main camp in August. One of the things Tyler liked to do was be a mobile qb. Scrambling & throwing on the run. He couldn't do any of that & it wasn't until early October where he could actually go into a game & at least move around a little bit. 

For 2 years, Tyler battled for the starting position with another qb. The other qb was a transfer fron North Dakota State while my son played 2 years of JUCO in California. They botgh were recuited the same year. He was looking forward to competing for the #1 qb position until he was hurt. That hamstring injury meant he had no chance to really play & he only appeared in 3 games as relief. 

The losing & his injury was a frustrating experience as it wiped out his senior year. He told me that Joe was a great sounding board & they spent hours during & after the season talking football & being a sponge listening to him & his advice. He said it made the season way more pallatable. 

Joe should have been the HC & Bates an assistant but that was typical of the problems at SFU at that that time. They had coaches put into the wrong positions, It made no sense. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by SpeedFlex27

[wbbfan]

Jessie luteka hurt himself at the nfl combine. Could see a kongbo esq fall now. Great player and athlete hope he's healthy soon. 

[wbbfan]

3dn has an article about Hansen helping ethnic minorities who were being discriminated against escape Ukraine. What a great person but it details why he is on the verge of retiring. 

The Bombers had a 2 year deal with him and the league vetoed it because it was above the salary limit for globals. They are capped at 11k less than rookies. If they sign him to that deal he has to renounce his global status. What a joke. 

[Arnold_Palmer]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

3dn has an article about Hansen helping ethnic minorities who were being discriminated against escape Ukraine. What a great person but it details why he is on the verge of retiring. 

The Bombers had a 2 year deal with him and the league vetoed it because it was above the salary limit for globals. They are capped at 11k less than rookies. If they sign him to that deal he has to renounce his global status. What a joke. 

They want to grow the game but god forbid they actually get some good talent out of it and want to pay them properly.. Seems counter productive. That’s definitely something that should be discussed at the next CBA. 

[Jesse]

4 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

They want to grow the game but god forbid they actually get some good talent out of it and want to pay them properly.. Seems counter productive. That’s definitely something that should be discussed at the next CBA. 

I can see the initial contract having those limits, but in subsequent deals they should be eligible for a raise. 

[Jpan85]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

3dn has an article about Hansen helping ethnic minorities who were being discriminated against escape Ukraine. What a great person but it details why he is on the verge of retiring. 

The Bombers had a 2 year deal with him and the league vetoed it because it was above the salary limit for globals. They are capped at 11k less than rookies. If they sign him to that deal he has to renounce his global status. What a joke. 

Yeah this is nuts because we are a couple years away from a flood of global players coming from NCAA that are going be really talented and have abilities to start in CFL. If you are really looking to expand the game globally these players need to feel like they can have career in Canada where they are fairly compensated as a global player.

[Super Duper Negatron]

33 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

Yeah this is nuts because we are a couple years away from a flood of global players coming from NCAA that are going be really talented and have abilities to start in CFL. If you are really looking to expand the game globally these players need to feel like they can have career in Canada where they are fairly compensated as a global player.

Devil's advocate: if you look at the Global position as a development spot, once a player develops to be good enough to displace an "International"/American (and good enough to pay them like one) why not call them an international at that point and develop a new Global player?

35 minutes ago, Jesse said:

I can see the initial contract having those limits, but in subsequent deals they should be eligible for a raise. 

They are eligible, they just take up an American spot at that point. Unless I am completely missing something.

[Noeller]

I dunno...if I'm the Bombers, and you know you have Les Maruo (at the very least) who can be your designated International, and you've said you're willing to pay Hansen like an American, then to hell with it and just have him lose his designation. I mean, if you don't absolutely NEED him as your designated guy, then why worry about it? And hopefully you can draft another quality one this year that would be the emergency back up if Maruo can't go...

[wbbfan]

4 hours ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

They want to grow the game but god forbid they actually get some good talent out of it and want to pay them properly.. Seems counter productive. That’s definitely something that should be discussed at the next CBA. 

Right? Soo short sighted. It makes this feel like they were never committed to the global player thing working.

4 hours ago, Jesse said:

I can see the initial contract having those limits, but in subsequent deals they should be eligible for a raise. 

For sure. Makes total sense to have these guys come in on a discount seeing as most wouldnt get a look other wise. 

4 hours ago, Jpan85 said:

Yeah this is nuts because we are a couple years away from a flood of global players coming from NCAA that are going be really talented and have abilities to start in CFL. If you are really looking to expand the game globally these players need to feel like they can have career in Canada where they are fairly compensated as a global player.

Right? I feel like the global player system is just starting to take off and poised for great success in the next few years. For once it seems like the CFL has ahead of the curve on this and then they sabotage it. When the waves of talent really start getting better, and they will, we may have to increase the first contract to cfl rookie levels. 

3 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Devil's advocate: if you look at the Global position as a development spot, once a player develops to be good enough to displace an "International"/American (and good enough to pay them like one) why not call them an international at that point and develop a new Global player?

They are eligible, they just take up an American spot at that point. Unless I am completely missing something.

That risks us having guys who are too good as globals but not good enough as imports. 

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

I dunno...if I'm the Bombers, and you know you have Les Maruo (at the very least) who can be your designated International, and you've said you're willing to pay Hansen like an American, then to hell with it and just have him lose his designation. I mean, if you don't absolutely NEED him as your designated guy, then why worry about it? And hopefully you can draft another quality one this year that would be the emergency back up if Maruo can't go...

 100% would dress hansen as an imp. Idk if he wants to renounce his status though. If I was him I wouldn't. He should be proud of that, he's the best football player to come out of the global system.  

 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2022-03-02 at 11:26 PM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Probably the worst program in the NCAA at the time. I could tell you stories but it would sound like sour grapes if I said anything more. I will say one thing positive. Tyler's QB Coach was Joe Paopao. In March 2015, he blew out his hamstring training in the off season before his senior year. He should have had surgery but was misdiagnosed.

He was sidelined during Spring Practice in April. He was limited as to what he could do at the main camp in August. One of the things Tyler liked to do was be a mobile qb. Scrambling & throwing on the run. He couldn't do any of that & it wasn't until early October where he could actually go into a game & at least move around a little bit. 

For 2 years, Tyler battled for the starting position with another qb. The other qb was a transfer fron North Dakota State while my son played 2 years of JUCO in California. They botgh were recuited the same year. He was looking forward to competing for the #1 qb position until he was hurt. That hamstring injury meant he had no chance to really play & he only appeared in 3 games as relief. 

The losing & his injury was a frustrating experience as it wiped out his senior year. He told me that Joe was a great sounding board & they spent hours during & after the season talking football & being a sponge listening to him & his advice. He said it made the season way more pallatable. 

Joe should have been the HC & Bates an assistant but that was typical of the problems at SFU at that that time. They had coaches put into the wrong positions, It made no sense. 

One thing I should have said. The reason Bates was HC was because the AD at the time insisted on hiring a Canadian head coach even if he was underqualified. Which Bates was. I'm sure they interviewed local Vancouver high school coaches but not experienced college coaches.  Former Western Washington University HC & BC Lions assistant Robin Ross who lived in the Lower Mainland was never considered because he was American. Joe Paopao, also an American was disqualified from being the HC at SFU. They could be assistants but not the man in charge. No wonder that program nearly imploded. 

[JCon]

Ridiculous situation for the Bombers. They follow the CFL program, take it seriously, and now will be punished for their success. Typical CFL!

No matter what happens, I would take Hansen over many imports. 

[wbbfan]

3dn puts up Andrew harris left winnipeg articles like it's all they get paid for. 

Also one about Darvin adams. That ones a but more sad. Despite all the drops last year injuries the last 2 seasons and poor production the last 2 seasons he expected the Bombers to offer him career high money like ott did. 

[SpeedFlex27]

On 2022-03-07 at 9:04 AM, wbbfan said:

3dn has an article about Hansen helping ethnic minorities who were being discriminated against escape Ukraine. What a great person but it details why he is on the verge of retiring. 

The Bombers had a 2 year deal with him and the league vetoed it because it was above the salary limit for globals. They are capped at 11k less than rookies. If they sign him to that deal he has to renounce his global status. What a joke. 

**** Ambrosie. What's the point, Randy?  You snake.  I wish this guy would leave & permanently get lost. Just an assclown. 

[SpeedFlex27]

15 hours ago, JCon said:

Ridiculous situation for the Bombers. They follow the CFL program, take it seriously, and now will be punished for their success. Typical CFL!

No matter what happens, I would take Hansen over many imports. 

Hansen's good enough to make the team under any designation. He should just renounce his global status. Only in the CFL do they cap players salaries because they're global players no matter how good they become. Why even develop these players? They're just second class players in a league where monetary wise all should be treated the same. Stupid initiative that needs to be discontinued as it's discriminatory. Doesn't surprise me that the guy with his head up his ass as Commissioner is behind this. He just looks more stupid the longer he's Commissioner. 

[TrueBlue4ever]

The above two posts are why we have a merge feature.

Edited March 8, 2022 by TrueBlue4ever

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

3dn puts up Andrew harris left winnipeg articles like it's all they get paid for. 

Also one about Darvin adams. That ones a but more sad. Despite all the drops last year injuries the last 2 seasons and poor production the last 2 seasons he expected the Bombers to offer him career high money like ott did. 

Honestly 127k isn't that bad for Darvin. I suppose if you put in the context of how he's played over the last few years it's hard to argue he deserves a raise..but considering the market on WRs I would have taken him at that price.