TrueBlue4ever Posted March 17, 2022 Author Report Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said: Apology in advance for not knowing, but after hearing that Copp wants to stay in Winnipeg long term why not sign him? His asking price too much, cap issues, combination of the two, other? Where did you hear those comments? All I have ever heard from the media is that he is set on trying free agency and unlikely to return. If he wanted more than $5 million a year, I’d pass on him. If it was $4 million or less, I’d take a good look. In between that, would need to be dependent on the rest of the team cap room. And right now the team is up against the cap with few salaries coming off the books. 2 hours ago, JCon said: I think it's a cap issue. Where do you fit him in for what he's worth? If they traded "C" and/or "A", then I could see some room. People just need to stop with all the “trade Wheeler and Scheifele” nonsense, and it is complete nonsense. Wheeler is not going anywhere, plain and simple. He has a no-move clause, and even if he did not, no one is taking on an $8.5 million contract for a 35 year old with 2 full years remaining. Putting everything else aside, no team has that kind of room in their cap to take him on. Luckily, even as an overpay he is still producing at a point a game rate. Mounting injuries are becoming a concern. And a buyout would cripple the team for two years with nothing in return. Why would any team give up 60-70 points a year to get nothing back and still pay $4.25 million towards your cap. As for Scheifele, even in a down year with fans manufacturing attitude issues, he still remains one of the best value contracts in the league for his ability, so you don’t move him from a point of weakness to appease a grumpy fan base. If he is to be moved, it is more likely to come at draft time, not a rush deal at the trade deadline. And you get proper value for a #1 centre, not just a dump move with the team still 2 points out of the playoffs. I not not against trading him, also not against finding a coach who can work on his defensive game. But wishing a trade of 26 and 55 to “change the culture” is abject stupidity driven by a scapegoating fan base that will turn us into the new Edmonton Oilers who tried the same stunt when they moved Eberle, Hall, Yakupov etc all to re-blend a failing team, IMO. The biggest problem contributing to the Jets’ slide has been the unexpected loss of Byfuglien and the inability to re-rebuild the defence since then. The next biggest is not having a good third scoring line or an even average 4th depth line. Getting rid of two of your top 3 scorers out of spite is not the way to remedy that. MrFreakzilla and blue_gold_84 1 1
bustamente Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 Yup both are staying unless they buy out Wheeler, that's not going to happen or Scheifele asks for a trade
blue_gold_84 Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, bustamente said: Yup both are staying unless they buy out Wheeler, that's not going to happen or Scheifele asks for a trade A buyout would make absolutely no sense. And why would Scheifele request a trade?
bustamente Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said: A buyout would make absolutely no sense. And why would Scheifele request a trade? Exactly that's why they are both staying blue_gold_84 1
HardCoreBlue Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Where did you hear those comments? All I have ever heard from the media is that he is set on trying free agency and unlikely to return. If he wanted more than $5 million a year, I’d pass on him. If it was $4 million or less, I’d take a good look. In between that, would need to be dependent on the rest of the team cap room. And right now the team is up against the cap with few salaries coming off the books. People just need to stop with all the “trade Wheeler and Scheifele” nonsense, and it is complete nonsense. Wheeler is not going anywhere, plain and simple. He has a no-move clause, and even if he did not, no one is taking on an $8.5 million contract for a 35 year old with 2 full years remaining. Putting everything else aside, no team has that kind of room in their cap to take him on. Luckily, even as an overpay he is still producing at a point a game rate. Mounting injuries are becoming a concern. And a buyout would cripple the team for two years with nothing in return. Why would any team give up 60-70 points a year to get nothing back and still pay $4.25 million towards your cap. As for Scheifele, even in a down year with fans manufacturing attitude issues, he still remains one of the best value contracts in the league for his ability, so you don’t move him from a point of weakness to appease a grumpy fan base. If he is to be moved, it is more likely to come at draft time, not a rush deal at the trade deadline. And you get proper value for a #1 centre, not just a dump move with the team still 2 points out of the playoffs. I not not against trading him, also not against finding a coach who can work on his defensive game. But wishing a trade of 26 and 55 to “change the culture” is abject stupidity driven by a scapegoating fan base that will turn us into the new Edmonton Oilers who tried the same stunt when they moved Eberle, Hall, Yakupov etc all to re-blend a failing team, IMO. The biggest problem contributing to the Jets’ slide has been the unexpected loss of Byfuglien and the inability to re-rebuild the defence since then. The next biggest is not having a good third scoring line or an even average 4th depth line. Getting rid of two of your top 3 scorers out of spite is not the way to remedy that. It was on Twitter today some scribe was chatting with him at the scheduled meets with Jet Players. TrueBlue4ever 1
bigg jay Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Where did you hear those comments? All I have ever heard from the media is that he is set on trying free agency and unlikely to return. If he wanted more than $5 million a year, I’d pass on him. If it was $4 million or less, I’d take a good look. In between that, would need to be dependent on the rest of the team cap room. And right now the team is up against the cap with few salaries coming off the books. blue_gold_84 and HardCoreBlue 2
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 17, 2022 Author Report Posted March 17, 2022 The media availability is in this link. Coop’s comments about staying are right at the end. Hw seems to be referencing last year, when he was ready to sign long term but the defence signings put a pin in that. Hw talks about spending as much time with with teammates as possible the next 4 days, and if he gets a couple of extra months he is happy with that. No mention of staying longer. I think he made his mind up when he didn’t get the long term deal that he was going to go to market after this season. Just my take on it. Not hearing that he really wants to stay now. https://illegalcurve.com/winnipeg-jets-practice-report-364/
Goalie Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 Trade Dillon Stastny Schmidt if you can then. Sign copp and Dubois long term then... well, one of 55 or 26 will likely need to go. There's a reason scheifeles name was being thrown around by the insiders. They obviously gauging interest Honestly tho 2 points out... I'd try upgrading the bottom 6 on deadline day cuz our current guys ain't doing ****
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Goalie said: Trade Dillon Stastny Schmidt if you can then. Why's everyone trading Dillon?
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 17, 2022 Author Report Posted March 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Why's everyone trading Dillon? Because they are fans, not GMs Noeller 1
Goalie Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said: Because they are fans, not GMs Welcome to a ******* fan site 16 million in cap with 13 players singed for next year is the actual reason. Jets also have Samberg heinola on the left side who require waivers next season Dillons name is out there.. frank Seravelli has said so. He's not a fan Edited March 18, 2022 by Goalie
Goalie Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 Here's a guess Hype hype hype hype hype and in the end major disappointment Rinse and repeat for July 1st Wouldn't shock Me to see Jets move a couple guys out but Also bring a couple in right now to improve the bottom 6.
Goalie Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 As for Copp... Kurt Overhardt is his agent. Good PR for copp to say all that stuff tho eventho it's just PR crap FrostyWinnipeg 1
Goalie Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Chicago gets Tampa 2023 2024 1st for Brandon Hagel (1.5 aav for 3 years still) Sneaky good move by Tampa Chicago gets Raddysh and Katchouk also. Hagel 2nd 4th 2024 to Tampa for Rad Boris K and 2023 2024 1st. Edited March 18, 2022 by Goalie
Goalie Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 Some chatter Jets have interest in Domanik Kubalik from Chicago. Maybe for a late round pick. Bottom 6 help
Jimmy from Lockport Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 Hagel has 2 seasons after this one. Chevy needs to start a bidding war on Copp and Stastny. And Dillon and Schmidt. Schmidt is probably easier in the off season. Mark F and Goalie 2
Goalie Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) Jets making moves to make moves today Copp Stastny Dillon all mentioned Colorado Boston like Copp Justin Barron be a nice RHD prospect Ves sent down is interesting. Signing a journeyman ahl goalie is interesting too. Wonder if Berdin is moved in a trade also. Obviously a throw in.. Sounds like the Jets are embracing the sell now but not giving totally up on the season. Copp Stastny Dillon and others... I'm assuming others are ves maybe Berdin types and not anyone big time Edited March 20, 2022 by Goalie Mark F 1
Goalie Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 They paid 2 2nds for Dillon. 1st and prospect atleast since not a rental Schmidt if they move him, doubtful since right side playing... and dude has a great personality and no trade so...
HardCoreBlue Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 Giordano doesn't even last a season with the Kraken. Hope he sucks royally with the Leafs.
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 20, 2022 Author Report Posted March 20, 2022 18 hours ago, Goalie said: Jets making moves to make moves today Copp Stastny Dillon all mentioned Colorado Boston like Copp Justin Barron be a nice RHD prospect Ves sent down is interesting. Signing a journeyman ahl goalie is interesting too. Wonder if Berdin is moved in a trade also. Obviously a throw in.. Sounds like the Jets are embracing the sell now but not giving totally up on the season. Copp Stastny Dillon and others... I'm assuming others are ves maybe Berdin types and not anyone big time The Ves demotion is cap related. Remove his $1.5 million, can bring up 2 minimum salaries from the A and then both Copp and Stastny can be moved but the roster stays at 12 forwards. As for the goalie, it is insurance since Berdin is nicked up. Dillon might be moved because teams always overpay for D at the trade deadline (see exhibit #8152 Ben Chiarot) and his contract can be absorbed by most team even if tight to the cap. They’ll move him if the offer is too good to pass up, plus they have depth in the minors. All per Murat Area’ article.
BomberBall Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, TrueBlue4ever said: The Ves demotion is cap related. Remove his $1.5 million, can bring up 2 minimum salaries from the A and then both Copp and Stastny can be moved but the roster stays at 12 forwards. As for the goalie, it is insurance since Berdin is nicked up. Dillon might be moved because teams always overpay for D at the trade deadline (see exhibit #8152 Ben Chiarot) and his contract can be absorbed by most team even if tight to the cap. They’ll move him if the offer is too good to pass up, plus they have depth in the minors. All per Murat Area’ article. Was Murat in the Area when the article was written? 😁 Sorry, I’ve had a few beers on my deck today.
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-giordano-traded-to-maple-leafs-by-kraken/c-331816932?tid=278542340 https://www.nhl.com/news/claude-giroux-traded-to-panthers-by-flyers/c-331816104?tid=278542340
TrueBlue4ever Posted March 21, 2022 Author Report Posted March 21, 2022 7 hours ago, BomberBall said: Was Murat in the Area when the article was written? 😁 Sorry, I’ve had a few beers on my deck today. Oops. Stupid auto carrot! 😁 HardCoreBlue and BomberBall 1 1
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