Mos Class vs Marino Cheap Shot

[Rod Black]

9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Disagree on intent.  Fake to Demski, pitch to Oliviera.  Collaros is not at all a running QB.  In two full seasons plus playoff runs I cannot recall a single run play we've called for him that's a designed run.  Even on scrambles can only think of less than a handful of plays where he's taken a ball across the line of scrimmage.

Marino clearly locates the ball and squares up on a guy who doesn't have the ball.  There's no point to that hit but to try to "hurt" (if you're being generous) someone but more precisely injure someone.  Even if you think Collaros is going to boot right, there's no wrap, it's a straight pop blindside rising through to helmet-to-helmet.

Keep in mind two of next three games are also Bombers vs Riders.  Have to wonder deep down what seeds have been planted from organization through coaching staff into a guy like Marino's head about the next month.

With Fajardo whining about Argo defence making football plays, and Mariano’s play was not a football play, would be interesting to see what happens in two of the next three games when Jeffcoat taps his shoulder pad with his hand. 
heck, Marino has previously been disqualified during the last banjo bowl. Still refuses to learn. Guys like that never deserve benefit of the doubt. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Rod Black

[JuranBoldenRules]

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

Yeah...I should have said intent of a specific target...his intent tho was to hurt 

I wouldn't feel bad nor think negatively on the squad if they did the old hold em up and have a guy "accidentally " take out his knees....poops...but I know we aren't wired that way....I'm sure he will get what's due within the rules...other than that hit/replay that was only time I noticed him...

I think you do it in the boardroom on the Zoom call or whatever.  Just say we aren't fielding a team if that guy is on anyone's roster.  We're trying to build a league and you're allowing a marginal player to go around taking out the highest paid players in the league that we can't easily replace.  As a league lets pull out head out of our asses and if one team wants to go rogue and try to do the bad boy ****, let them deal with the fallout.

There's a base level of respect necessary to play in this league and Marino is constantly displaying that he doesn't have it.  Players in this league are doing it to make a living.  They have families, they have kids, they have a future beyond football.  We're going to get jacked up about some moron putting a star QB in a wheelchair so his shitty team might win a couple games?  Guys like Duke need to go too.  You flag them, fine them, suspend them for racial slurs, spitting and it happens again.  Time for the league to follow through.  It's beyond ridiculous.

Edited September 5, 2022 by JuranBoldenRules

[Geebrr]

Fajardo goes running to the ref about everything. He would have milked that hit for everything he could. 

[Rod Black]

Just now, Geebrr said:

Fajardo goes running to the ref about everything. He would have milked that hit for everything he could. 

Exactly!!

[TBURGESS]

Why do we have to argue intent all the time? Intent isn't in the rule book.

What happened in the play matters. Collaros isn't a passer, so none of the passing rules apply. Collaros made a blind turn to the outside of the field and ran into Marino, who clocked him.

Cheap shot? You bet! Fine coming? I certainly hope so.

When 2 refs and the CC say there isn't enough to call a penalty, the most likely answer is that the professional refs know the rules better than the fans, not that all 3 of them got it wrong.

[Geebrr]

Crack back hits are illegal

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

Why do we have to argue intent all the time? Intent isn't in the rule book.

What happened in the play matters. Collaros isn't a passer, so none of the passing rules apply. Collaros made a blind turn to the outside of the field and ran into Marino, who clocked him.

Cheap shot? You bet! Fine coming? I certainly hope so.

When 2 refs and the CC say there isn't enough to call a penalty, the most likely answer is that the professional refs know the rules better than the fans, not that all 3 of them got it wrong.

Look up "unnecessary roughness" in the rule book.

Intent is also part of the rule on misconduct penalties now.

Really the only contact allowed is to with the intent of blocking someone who is live in the play or tackling a ball carrier.

Pretty clear when Marino makes the choice to contact Collaros that he's both out of the play and should not have reasonably anticipated contact since he doesn't have the ball and is in no way executing a fake.  They certainly got it wrong, and didn't want to make a call to seal a win for a team in a rivalry game.

Section U under the UR section:

1. Unnecessary physical contact, including but not limited to, running into, diving into, cut blocking or throwing the body on a player who is:
   1. out of the play, or
   2. should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead, or
   3. throwing a ball carrier to the ground after the ball is dead,

[do or die]

On second thought...perhaps Marino was simply "playing on the edge"

Bah

[Booch]

Was gonna say...intent is in rules now...thanks for mentioning...also refs are instructed to.make a judgement call if they feel intent was present...that's why intent gets brought up...my intent is to parlay this so we can stop having to intentionally defend and bring it up...over...and over 

[Bubba Zanetti]

23 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Look up "unnecessary roughness" in the rule book.

Intent is also part of the rule on misconduct penalties now.

Really the only contact allowed is to with the intent of blocking someone who is live in the play or tackling a ball carrier.

Pretty clear when Marino makes the choice to contact Collaros that he's both out of the play and should not have reasonably anticipated contact since he doesn't have the ball and is in no way executing a fake.  They certainly got it wrong, and didn't want to make a call to seal a win for a team in a rivalry game.

Section U under the UR section:

1. Unnecessary physical contact, including but not limited to, running into, diving into, cut blocking or throwing the body on a player who is:
   1. out of the play, or
   2. should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead, or
   3. throwing a ball carrier to the ground after the ball is dead,

#1 and #2 both apply to the hit in question.

[rebusrankin]

It was a clear UR call, refs missed it. Its fairly easy to argue since its late, ZC didn't have the ball, Marino's history etc that there was intent to injure. JBR makes excellent points, you need to get rid of this if you're serious about player safety and building your league. On a side note, some people in football (ex Mullinder) need to get out of this football is warrior's battling mentality so you can have dirty plays and dirty hits. Its 2022, we all know about concussions, head trauma, CTE etc.

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, rebusrankin said:

It was a clear UR call, refs missed it. Its fairly easy to argue since its late, ZC didn't have the ball, Marino's history etc that there was intent to injure. JBR makes excellent points, you need to get rid of this if you're serious about player safety and building your league. On a side note, some people in football (ex Mullinder) need to get out of this football is warrior's battling mentality so you can have dirty plays and dirty hits. Its 2022, we all know about concussions, head trauma, CTE etc.

God even in Mullinder's day if he was lined up in 3 technique and the play was 40 yards across the field and some OL just peeled back and earholed him that would be a flag.

These hits have been illegal for a very long time, like over 20 years.  The Dyson iso cam was over 20 years ago.

[SpeedFlex27]

16 hours ago, Geebrr said:

“Starter” Marino had 2 tackles 

******* bum …go play in a rec league 

And get sued by a 40 year old out of shape qb that Marino put in a hospital. 

[Geebrr]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

And get sued by a 40 year old out of shape qb that Marino put in a hospital. 

Seems like a realistic outcome 

[Tracker]

4 hours ago, Rod Black said:

On twitter, Bob Irving, Doug Brown, and dozens of lesser known’s are highly critical of Marino with his continued vile and dishonourable conduct. The league has got to axe that guy because weak and spineless SK management won’t. What an embarrassment. 

Was it a late, blindside hit? 

That's the only kind Marino specializes in.

[SpeedFlex27]

3 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I think you do it in the boardroom on the Zoom call or whatever.  Just say we aren't fielding a team if that guy is on anyone's roster.  We're trying to build a league and you're allowing a marginal player to go around taking out the highest paid players in the league that we can't easily replace.  As a league lets pull out head out of our asses and if one team wants to go rogue and try to do the bad boy ****, let them deal with the fallout.

There's a base level of respect necessary to play in this league and Marino is constantly displaying that he doesn't have it.  Players in this league are doing it to make a living.  They have families, they have kids, they have a future beyond football.  We're going to get jacked up about some moron putting a star QB in a wheelchair so his shitty team might win a couple games?  Guys like Duke need to go too.  You flag them, fine them, suspend them for racial slurs, spitting and it happens again.  Time for the league to follow through.  It's beyond ridiculous.

And just who is our Commissioner??? Been saying for years & will continue to say he's useless. 

[Tracker]

1 minute ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

And just who is our Commissioner??? Been saying for years & will continue to say he's useless. 

He does not have an easy job. The league has teams staggering from one financial crisis to another, only one national TV network bidding for the broadcast rights trying to appease all the owners must be like herding cats.

[wbbfan]

3 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

#1 and #2 both apply to the hit in question.

A qb in the back field is always a passer too. Other wise they could hand off the ball and you could lay them out. 
 

of course mr contrarian thinks it’s clean lmao. 

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

He does not have an easy job. The league has teams staggering from one financial crisis to another, only one national TV network bidding for the broadcast rights trying to appease all the owners must be like herding cats.

Handing out discipline should be one of his most important jobs. If he doesn't care why should the rest of the league? The tourist hit on Collaros wasn't hard enough??? WTF?? Officials need to be better before another starting qb goes down.

[Tracker]

7 hours ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

What a surprise, that Rider thong wearing sack of monkey s**t Luc Mullinder is defending the hit on his twitter. Telling everyone to "cool it" and saying football will have the intensity of lawn bowling if we regulate that kind of stuff. Says that football is built on 1 on 1 combat. LMFAO. Don't you mean 1 on defenseless QB that had his back turned, didn't have the ball, and didn't see it coming combat???? Eat s**t Mullinder you jackass.

Mulinder knows who pays his bills.

[Goalie]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Handing out discipline should be one of his most important jobs. If he doesn't care why should the rest of the league? The tourist hit on Collaros wasn't hard enough??? WTF?? Officials need to be better before another starting qb goes down.

The cflpa is a huge problem tho. They can't just ban suspend or even fine guys without the PAs ok really. The PA is unfortunately there to protect players like Marino  

[Captain Blue]

39 minutes ago, Goalie said:

The cflpa is a huge problem tho. They can't just ban suspend or even fine guys without the PAs ok really. The PA is unfortunately there to protect players like Marino  

Thing is they really aren't there to protect Marino, or really most players that require discipline. These players make up a tiny fraction of their constituents. They benefit more from protecting the majority of players, particularly the ones that make them money (QBs).

For instance if anyone has followed the Deshaun Watson stuff in the NFL, when Roger Goodell appealed the initial discipline decision, Goodell was then able to appoint whoever he wanted for the appeal. This seems extremely odd, right? But that is because for the NFLPA it's not worth fighting over (or conceding something else in return). They aren't going to fight over something that affects such a small amount of players.

[Tracker]

10 hours ago, Rod Black said:

On twitter, Bob Irving, Doug Brown, and dozens of lesser known’s are highly critical of Marino with his continued vile and dishonourable conduct. The league has got to axe that guy because weak and spineless SK management won’t. What an embarrassment. 

Was it a late, blindside hit? 

Does the Pope poop in the woods? Is a bear Catholic?

[SpeedFlex27]

46 minutes ago, Goalie said:

The cflpa is a huge problem tho. They can't just ban suspend or even fine guys without the PAs ok really. The PA is unfortunately there to protect players like Marino  

I think the PA is going to wash its hands of the guy. They told him not to appeal the 4 game suspension. 

[rebusrankin]

15 games and we have 2 ejections from games, 3 fines for dirty plays and a 4 game suspension. Now we have this. Ban the SOB. Oh course, according to Rider fans its all a witch hunt.