2001 Bombers vs 2022 Bombers

[Jesse]

6 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Hello Charles Roberts....

Only exciting part about every team he played on.

[WinnipegGordo]

3 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

Hello, Charles Roberts....

Yeah, teams of the past definitely weren't FIFO.

O'Shea talks about how injured players help to coach up their replacements as everyone wants to ensure they are ready and hopefully win the game.

Whereas you used to have guys like Westwood that would rather sulk than help his replacement.

[Bubba Zanetti]

At one point i had watched probably 15 straight years of training camp, and this pic is pretty much the extent of Roberts' stretching and warmup regime during camp. Ill never forget all the times i saw him chatting with Milt and the other vets sitting just like this while they all did their stretching and warmups.

4 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Only exciting part about every team he played on.

Imagine if he gave a damn.....

Edited October 3, 2022 by Bubba Zanetti

[rebusrankin]

5 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Only exciting part about every team he played on.

Milt says Hello

[Fatty Liver]

51 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

At one point i had watched probably 15 straight years of training camp, and this pic is pretty much the extent of Roberts' stretching and warmup regime during camp. Ill never forget all the times i saw him chatting with Milt and the other vets sitting just like this while they all did their stretching and warmups.

Imagine if he gave a damn.....

He was 5'-6" 170 lbs, returned punts and kickoffs, took a beating every game and never missed a game in 7 seasons with the Bombers.....and this is what you remember???

How about this stuff.

Year	Team	GP	TC	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	17	107	820	5.8	1	22
2002	WPG	17	216	1162	5.4	5	70
2003	WPG	18	264	1554	5.9	8	51
2004	WPG	18	300	1522	6.1	8	49
2005	WPG	18	290	1624	5.8	12	69
2006	WPG	18	303	1609	5.3	10	33
2007	WPG	16	262	1379	5.3	16	56

Receiving

Year	Team	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	27	288	10.7	0	43
2002	WPG	55	613	11.1	6	59
2003	WPG	51	548	10.7	2	47
2004	WPG	53	398	7.5	5	26
2005	WPG	49	474	9.7	0	64
2006	WPG	42	411	9.8	0	32
2007	WPG	47	358	7.6	0	35

Kickoff Returns

Year	Team	KOR	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	45	981	21.8	0	50
2002	WPG	27	539	20	0	42
2003	WPG	26	528	20.3	0	36
2004	WPG	4	84	21	0	41
2005	WPG	1	19	19	0	19
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0	0

Punt Returns

Year	Team	PR	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	82	782	9.5	2	58
2002	WPG	44	476	10.8	0	75
2003	WPG	45	362	8	0	35
2004	WPG	3	28	9.3	0	26
2005	WPG	1	17	17	0	17
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0	0

Missed Fieldgoal Returns

Year	Team	MFGRet	Yds	TD	Long
2001	WPG	1	35	0	35
2002	WPG	5	124	0	48
2003	WPG	4	155	0	72
2004	WPG	0	0	0	0
2005	WPG	0	0	0	0
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0

[Bubba Zanetti]

7 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

He was 5'-6" 170 lbs, returned punts and kickoffs, took a beating every game and never missed a game in 7 seasons with the Bombers.....and this is what you remember???

How about this stuff.

Year	Team	GP	TC	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	17	107	820	5.8	1	22
2002	WPG	17	216	1162	5.4	5	70
2003	WPG	18	264	1554	5.9	8	51
2004	WPG	18	300	1522	6.1	8	49
2005	WPG	18	290	1624	5.8	12	69
2006	WPG	18	303	1609	5.3	10	33
2007	WPG	16	262	1379	5.3	16	56

Receiving

Year	Team	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	27	288	10.7	0	43
2002	WPG	55	613	11.1	6	59
2003	WPG	51	548	10.7	2	47
2004	WPG	53	398	7.5	5	26
2005	WPG	49	474	9.7	0	64
2006	WPG	42	411	9.8	0	32
2007	WPG	47	358	7.6	0	35

Kickoff Returns

Year	Team	KOR	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	45	981	21.8	0	50
2002	WPG	27	539	20	0	42
2003	WPG	26	528	20.3	0	36
2004	WPG	4	84	21	0	41
2005	WPG	1	19	19	0	19
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0	0

Punt Returns

Year	Team	PR	Yds	Avg	TD	Long
2001	WPG	82	782	9.5	2	58
2002	WPG	44	476	10.8	0	75
2003	WPG	45	362	8	0	35
2004	WPG	3	28	9.3	0	26
2005	WPG	1	17	17	0	17
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0	0

Missed Fieldgoal Returns

Year	Team	MFGRet	Yds	TD	Long
2001	WPG	1	35	0	35
2002	WPG	5	124	0	48
2003	WPG	4	155	0	72
2004	WPG	0	0	0	0
2005	WPG	0	0	0	0
2006	WPG	0	0	0	0
2007	WPG	0	0	0	0

I remember a no show in the Grey Cup too......

My point is yes he was amazing but he could have been the best ever if he had given a s**t.

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

I remember a no show in the Grey Cup too......

My point is yes he was amazing but he could have been the best ever if he had given a s**t.

yup....too bad he didnt really....he did on the field....but not so much to prepare for it

as for the no show....he wasnt alone....but for some reason he gets the brunt of that anger...there were quite a few who let the team down...some whom would surprise you but is never mentioned...and not a lot know

[Jesse]

5 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

I remember a no show in the Grey Cup too......

My point is yes he was amazing but he could have been the best ever if he had given a s**t.

Or he could have never played a down in the CFL.

 

[BigBlueFanatic]

A DB97 clone on the d-line would be a nice piece of the puzzle to have back in place

[Jpan85]

I always felt that if Roberts trained as hard as Milt he would of gotten hurt way more. 

[Bubba Zanetti]

1 minute ago, Jpan85 said:

I always felt that if Roberts trained as hard as Milt he would of gotten hurt way more. 

Perhaps but cutting out the pre-game Big Macs and cigarette smoking could have gone a long way.... 

[TrueBlue4ever]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

yup....too bad he didnt really....he did on the field....but not so much to prepare for it

as for the no show....he wasnt alone....but for some reason he gets the brunt of that anger...there were quite a few who let the team down...some whom would surprise you but is never mentioned...and not a lot know

Unless you say the name “Stegall” and perhaps “Cameron” I would likely not be surprised. 

[Stickem]

Roberts was a special guy....never took work outs or healthy regime seriously AND YET he deliverd on the field time and time again...I often wondered how good Charlie could've/would've been had he listened to Milt about working out ... A true anomley was Blink and he still remains one of my all time favourite players of all time....Say what you will about the guy....his record speaks for itself...I only wished his last games were with us and not out on the coast...we could have done something better when he departed

[17to85]

Has to be one of the all time most naturally gifted athletes going right? To be that good without putting in the work is astounding. 

[greenrider55]

Calgary had a few nice seasons but only got one championship out of it in 2018 on their dominant run. 
 

They lost to the lowly Redblacks in 2016, and then Toronto in 2017.

Winnipeg is likely going to three-peat. Bo Levi seemed to struggle in the big games, along with coaching errors. The Stamps got rattled.

These Bombers don’t get rattled. They could be down 21 points in the 4th Q and I’d still bet on them to pull it out.

I may be a Rider fan, but I appreciate greatness. 

My dream matchup would be the 2021 Bombers vs the 2009 Alouettes. 

[Eternal optimist]

I think Bo Levi hates the cold more than other QBs. He was still phenomenal at his peak, but he just seemed to always play a bit off in the cold or snow

[Arnold_Palmer]

Roberts ran hard. I really don’t care that he didn’t stretch or smoked. He was completely durable during his time in Winnipeg, looked at 05 for example on one or the worst o lines or all time; and a stagnant offense he has nearly 350 total touches. He ran hard, gave it all he got on the field and never got hurt. The dude gets way too much slander on here. He was our work horse at 5 foot nothing, a hundred and nothing pounds. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Arnold_Palmer

[Rich]

Can’t think of many players who could electrify the crowd with their play the way Roberts did.  
 

The holes he was able to squeeze through at the line, the ankle breaking moves he would pull off to juke people out.  
 

I’m happy I was able to watch him live in stadium all those years. 

[greenrider55]

28 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

I think Bo Levi hates the cold more than other QBs. He was still phenomenal at his peak, but he just seemed to always play a bit off in the cold or snow

I don’t think he just lost it overnight, his shoulder must be permanently damaged, or something along those lines.

[wbbfan]

5 hours ago, 17to85 said:

you don't think you could drop 2001 era Doug Brown into todays game and have him still be a top player?

 

The biggest difference on the defensive lines right now IMO is that everyone uses heavy rotations to keep players fresh moreso than a dramatic change.

Db yeah but I think he was an extreme outlier in that era. He was the first interior linemen I can recall in the cfl who was a top level athlete (national rugby team iirc) 

 if stove played the length of dbs career in the cfl he’d be at worst the second best dt in league history. 
 

most every position out side of ol is like that in football now.  The big difference is that most dts in the cfl can run like des used to and des are better run jump athletes than half the wrs in the league 20 years ago. 

[wbbfan]

26 minutes ago, Rich said:

Can’t think of many players who could electrify the crowd with their play the way Roberts did.  
 

The holes he was able to squeeze through at the line, the ankle breaking moves he would pull off to juke people out.  
 

I’m happy I was able to watch him live in stadium all those years. 

The quickest shiftiest player I’ve ever seen in any league at any level. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Jpan85 said:

I always felt that if Roberts trained as hard as Milt he would of gotten hurt way more. 

I don’t think he needed the same work out regiment. But I think being leaner, and stronger would’ve made him into an nfl player. 
 

Nothing was going to give him a top speed gear. And with the nature of his bursty change of direction running any thing that put more wear on his hips knees and plantar facia to high ankle area would’ve shortened his career. 
 

 

[Booch]

thing with Roberts...for a little dude who didnt train,,,,he carried the load injury free basically...and how many games did we watch him in the fourth quarter when everyone knew he was getting the ball just grind out first down after first down to kill out the clock...phenomenal what he did, in the tiny lil cheeseburger lovin smoking body...interesting fact tho...strength wise and if he did enter the weight room he was phenomenally strong...like almost in an unbelievable way...lil fella just was gifted...too bad he didnt stay on track here and get in 3 or more good years

[Tracker]

I saw Mack Herron at his prime and think he was as good as Roberts with a few extra kilos of muscle that allowed him to break tackles. His career was also cut short for entirely different reasons. A helluva athlete but a shabby example of a human being.

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

47 minutes ago, Tracker said:

I saw Mack Herron at his prime and think he was as good as Roberts with a few extra kilos of muscle that allowed him to break tackles. His career was also cut short for entirely different reasons. A helluva athlete but a shabby example of a human being.

Don’t mention MH and kilos in the same sentence 

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, Pete Catan's Ghost said:

Don’t mention MH and kilos in the same sentence 

Hahah....yeah no doubt eh?