Manitoba Politics

[Tracker]

I suggest that extremism has a few defining features: tendency to violence, a viewpoint that force is acceptable to foment change. resorting to racist/exist/homophobic/xenophobic language, the attitude that "people don't know what is good for them so I must impose my values", seeing others as subhuman. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

The UCP won with a great deal of support from the centre and moderate right. It is ridiculous to point all supporters of a governing party able to win an election as extreme. Just nonsense.

 

51 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Literally half the UCP board is made up of Christo-fascists.  Even Kenney said the lunatics were now running the asylum in the UCP.

Calling them far right lunatics is more than fair.

 

Many center of right and moderate right support an extremist and bigoted party- are they still considered moderates? 

They are literally supporting people who make the laws (with a majority mandate nonetheless) with this extremist and racist and bigoted bent. Are they still centrist? They may think they are, but they aren't. 

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

 

 

Many center of right and moderate right support an extremist and bigoted party- are they still considered moderates? 

They are literally supporting people who make the laws (with a majority mandate nonetheless) with this extremist and racist and bigoted bent. Are they still centrist? They may think they are, but they aren't. 

A lot of moderates and centrist voters plugged their nose and voted for Smith. It is absolute nonsense to suggest that 50% of Albertans are extremist, racist, and bigoted. Just garbage to say that really. I know that many here are disappointed in the NDP loss, but this kind of conjecture about any modern mainstream party's voters is out to lunch. It's bizarre really. A lot of voters vote based on one or two key areas of concern to them. That's just the facts. They probably aren't in love with Smith or the band of looney tunes that inhabit PARTS of her party but when looking at voting issues they saw no alternative because Notley just did not represent what they wanted/needed from government.

Some of you guys may not like to hear this, but their are many Canadians that value the economy over ecology. Their are many Canadians that value lower taxes over government spending. Their are many Alberta voters who did not trust Notley to stand up to Trudeau and get the oil patch up again. That does not make any of them extreme, bigoted, or racist. That's just plain nonsense.

Edited May 31, 2023 by GCn20

[Tracker]

4 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

A lot of moderates and centrist voters plugged their nose and voted for Smith. It is absolute nonsense to suggest that 50% of Albertans are extremist, racist, and bigoted. Just garbage to say that really. I know that many here are disappointed in the NDP loss, but this kind of conjecture about any modern mainstream party's voters is out to lunch. It's bizarre really. A lot of voters vote based on one or two key areas of concern to them. That's just the facts. They probably aren't in love with Smith or the band of looney tunes that inhabit PARTS of her party but when looking at voting issues they saw no alternative because Notley just did not represent what they wanted/needed from government.

Some of you guys may not like to hear this, but their are many Canadians that value the economy over ecology. Their are many Canadians that value lower taxes over government spending. Their are many Alberta voters who did not trust Notley to stand up to Trudeau and get the oil patch up again. That does not make any of them extreme, bigoted, or racist. That's just plain nonsense.

How exactly is the federal government hindering the oil patch?

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, Tracker said:

How exactly is the federal government hindering the oil patch?

Hmmm....in the past few months we have turned down massive trade deals with both Germany and Japan on natural gas worth hundreds of billions of dollars. I suppose that probably doesn't fly too well in Alberta with those hoping for a big boost to the patch. Bill C-41 and C-69 were bills that went over like a lead balloon in Alberta as well. The carbon tax is pretty much viewed as one created to hurt big oil production as well. 

I believe Trudeau was a big factor in Notley's loss. She completely underestimated how reviled the Liberals are in Alberta and could have easily won her election if she simply promised to continue the fight against the Feds on various policies such as carbon tax, and measures and bills created to slow down oil production.

Edited May 31, 2023 by GCn20

[Tracker]

11 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Hmmm....in the past few months we have turned down massive trade deals with both Germany and Japan on natural gas worth hundreds of billions of dollars. I suppose that probably doesn't fly too well in Alberta with those hoping for a big boost to the patch.

Citation? Found it.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Tracker

[GCn20]

1 minute ago, Tracker said:

Citation?

Every newspaper across Canada and a quick google search ought to bring you there. I'm not going to track you down something that every media outlet in the country reported on just because it appears you missed it.

[blue_gold_84]

11 minutes ago, Tracker said:

How exactly is the federal government hindering the oil patch?

The feds are doing no such thing.

The deal with Germany would've been contingent on building extensive infrastructure to facilitate transportation of LNG, which both nations agreed posed numerous challenges (back in August 2022): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scholz-vassy-kapelos-lng-russia-gas-1.6559814

As for Japan, no deal was turned down. The wheels are in motion and infrastructure has to be built. Mitsubishi Corporation has a stake in the Kitimat LNG Terminal, set to go online in 2025: https://globalnews.ca/news/9394243/japan-pm-visit-canada-liquefied-natural-gas-needs/

Considering who Albertans just voted back into their Provincial Legislature, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that they'll just continue blaming Ottawa for their economic struggles and lap up the lies of Post Media ghouls, neither of whom can be bothered to try and understand the complexities of real life.

It'll be hard to have a stable economy to benefit our nation if corporate interests continue to operate unchallenged, destroy the environment, and run away with the profits.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

35 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

A lot of moderates and centrist voters plugged their nose and voted for Smith. It is absolute nonsense to suggest that 50% of Albertans are extremist, racist, and bigoted. Just garbage to say that really.

Agreed, not suggesting more than 50% of Albertans are extremist, racist, and bigoted. What I am saying is, if you support an extremist, racist, authoritarian-leaning and bigoted party to form laws and govern- you are not a centrist, nor a moderate. That's just the facts.

[GCn20]

7 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

The feds are doing no such thing.

The deal with Germany would've been contingent on building extensive infrastructure to facilitate transportation of LNG, which both nations agreed posed numerous challenges (back in August 2022): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scholz-vassy-kapelos-lng-russia-gas-1.6559814

As for Japan, no deal was turned down. The wheels are in motion and infrastructure has to be built. Mitsubishi Corporation has a stake in the Kitimat LNG Terminal, set to go online in 2025: https://globalnews.ca/news/9394243/japan-pm-visit-canada-liquefied-natural-gas-needs/

Considering who Albertans just voted back into their Provincial Legislature, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that they'll just continue blaming Ottawa for their economic struggles and lap up the lies of Post Media ghouls, neither of whom can be bothered to try and understand the complexities of real life.

It'll be hard to have a stable economy to benefit our nation if corporate interests continue to operate unchallenged, destroy the environment, and run away with the profits.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-lng-canada-trudeau-germany-japan/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-lng-canada-trudeau-germany-japan/

 

Not quite as cut and dried as you would make it seem.

[blue_gold_84]

Opinion pieces aren't worth ****. This part, though:

Quote

To his credit, Mr. Trudeau avoided making the same statement he made some months ago, when he claimed, on German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s visit, that there was “no business case” for meaningful increases in LNG exports. Still, much like with Germany, which ended up securing only a few agreements on hydrogen projects after Mr. Scholz’s visit, Mr. Trudeau gave Japan no promises of expanding LNG projects or encouraging new ones.

Of course, LNG decisions are not always Mr. Trudeau’s own and are reliant on market forces and other levels of government. But, given the way the world is changing, more trading partners will knock on Canada’s door, and this country should not find itself forced to say no.

Not cut and dry, indeed.

Edited May 31, 2023 by blue_gold_84
LOL

[JCon]

17 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

The feds are doing no such thing.

The deal with Germany would've been contingent on building extensive infrastructure to facilitate transportation of LNG, which both nations agreed posed numerous challenges (back in August 2022): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scholz-vassy-kapelos-lng-russia-gas-1.6559814

As for Japan, no deal was turned down. The wheels are in motion and infrastructure has to be built. Mitsubishi Corporation has a stake in the Kitimat LNG Terminal, set to go online in 2025: https://globalnews.ca/news/9394243/japan-pm-visit-canada-liquefied-natural-gas-needs/

Considering who Albertans just voted back into their Provincial Legislature, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that they'll just continue blaming Ottawa for their economic struggles and lap up the lies of Post Media ghouls, neither of whom can be bothered to try and understand the complexities of real life.

It'll be hard to have a stable economy to benefit our nation if corporate interests continue to operate unchallenged, destroy the environment, and run away with the profits.

Oh, wow, you're using evidence. Funny that. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, blue_gold_84 said:

The feds are doing no such thing.

The deal with Germany would've been contingent on building extensive infrastructure to facilitate transportation of LNG, which both nations agreed posed numerous challenges (back in August 2022): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scholz-vassy-kapelos-lng-russia-gas-1.6559814

As for Japan, no deal was turned down. The wheels are in motion and infrastructure has to be built. Mitsubishi Corporation has a stake in the Kitimat LNG Terminal, set to go online in 2025: https://globalnews.ca/news/9394243/japan-pm-visit-canada-liquefied-natural-gas-needs/

Considering who Albertans just voted back into their Provincial Legislature, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that they'll just continue blaming Ottawa for their economic struggles and lap up the lies of Post Media ghouls, neither of whom can be bothered to try and understand the complexities of real life.

It'll be hard to have a stable economy to benefit our nation if corporate interests continue to operate unchallenged, destroy the environment, and run away with the profits.

Great statement here looking at it from the ground floor people level. Lazy thinkers who only believe what they want to see and hear completely brush this off and/or ignore. 

Again, we are all guilty of this but some are waayyyyy more guilty than others with this in a consistent and frequent manner.  This is not a everyone's equally bad issue.

[Wideleft]

Holding your nose to vote for a party infiltrated with racists and bigots is no more than putting a price on your vote.  A very low price.

"Yeah, they're totally going to take away rights for LGBTQ2S people, but damn it - I hate that consarned carbon tax!"

You really have to wonder what the breaking point is for these voters and their apologists.

[Noeller]

26 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Holding your nose to vote for a party infiltrated with racists and bigots is no more than putting a price on your vote.  A very low price.

"Yeah, they're totally going to take away rights for LGBTQ2S people, but damn it - I hate that consarned carbon tax!"

You really have to wonder what the breaking point is for these voters and their apologists.

I sincerely thought Danielle Smith was going to be the breaking point...... but when I think the bar is as low as it can be, the UCP voters dig a trench to put the bar in. It's so embarrassing. 

[HardCoreBlue]

51 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Holding your nose to vote for a party infiltrated with racists and bigots is no more than putting a price on your vote.  A very low price.

"Yeah, they're totally going to take away rights for LGBTQ2S people, but damn it - I hate that consarned carbon tax!"

You really have to wonder what the breaking point is for these voters and their apologists.

A lot what I hear constantly is Notley, NDP, Liberals, non conservative supporters have and are going to kill businesses, stop the production of Oil and Gas, massive tax increases for average Albertans other doom and gloom nebulous disparaging socialist  catch phrases resulting in businesses closing down and/or leaving this province resulting in massive layoffs, individual freedoms lost. All of the not well thought out stuff DS, PP and their gang say and do is either supported, tolerated and/ or white noise.

[Noeller]

6 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

A lot what I hear constantly is Notley, NDP, Liberals, non conservative supporters have and are going to kill businesses, stop the production of Oil and Gas, massive tax increases for average Albertans other doom and gloom nebulous disparaging socialist  catch phrases resulting in businesses closing down and/or leaving this province resulting in massive layoffs, individual freedoms lost. All of the not well thought out stuff DS, PP and their gang say and do is either supported, tolerated and/ or white noise.

it's just incomprehensible that all of this is just accepted as fact by a majority of this province....incredible. Like, there can't be THAT MANY people who are THAT DUMB.......can there? 

[Wideleft]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

it's just incomprehensible that all of this is just accepted as fact by a majority of this province....incredible. Like, there can't be THAT MANY people who are THAT DUMB.......can there? 

Combine the ignorant, the self-interested and the 38% who couldn't bother to vote and this is what we get.

[Fatty Liver]

3 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Hmmm....in the past few months we have turned down massive trade deals with both Germany and Japan on natural gas worth hundreds of billions of dollars. I suppose that probably doesn't fly too well in Alberta with those hoping for a big boost to the patch. Bill C-41 and C-69 were bills that went over like a lead balloon in Alberta as well. The carbon tax is pretty much viewed as one created to hurt big oil production as well. 

I believe Trudeau was a big factor in Notley's loss. She completely underestimated how reviled the Liberals are in Alberta and could have easily won her election if she simply promised to continue the fight against the Feds on various policies such as carbon tax, and measures and bills created to slow down oil production.

So ramp oilsand production up with out limits and pay no heed or penalty for output emissions, is that the goal? Some folks still voting for climate denial while the northern half of the province burns to cinders, can't make this stuff up. 

Look and see, AB. produces the most GHG emissions in Canada...but that's not enough, they want to produce more!

 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said:

So ramp oilsand production up with out limits and pay no heed or penalty for output emissions, is that the goal? Some folks still voting for climate denial while the northern half of the province burns to cinders, can't make this stuff up. 

Look and see, AB. produces the most GHG emissions in Canada...but that's not enough, they want to produce more!

 

Hey while you single out Alberta, why don’t you (insert another province, another country) in how bad they are. It’s such a nonsense and garbage argument that you think Alberta is worse than (see above insert).

The everyone’s just as bad argument where you can’t provide facts and try to influence meaningful change without identifying other wrong doings (most times not of equal weight) and do something about that issue as well. If you don’t deal with it all you’re a hypocrite.

[rebusrankin]

Interesting article in the press today about Browaty calling drug users, drugged out zombies. 

[Brandon]

32 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Interesting article in the press today about Browaty calling drug users, drugged out zombies. 

They are drugged out zombies ,   I recommend driving over the Disraeli overpass and you'll see them all through out the day just wandering onto the road without any sense of awareness of what is going on.     It's night of the living dead and it's sad and at times scary. 

[blue_gold_84]

Hyperbole. Ridiculous hyperbole.

Labelling people with addiction problems as zombies is dehumanizing and petulant.

Shame on Browaty and anyone who agrees with his disgusting views.

[Brandon]

5 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Hyperbole. Ridiculous hyperbole.

Labelling people with addiction problems as zombies is dehumanizing and petulant.

Shame on Browaty and anyone who agrees with his disgusting views.

The truth hurts sometimes,   that is life.   One of the biggest issues with todays world is how soft and how people want to pretend things are not as bad as they are and/or use excuses.    Welcome to the real world.    

[blue_gold_84]

Intolerance and ignorance are disgusting.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/substance-use/supervised-consumption-sites/explained.html

Don't be disgusting.