Manitoba Politics

[Tracker]

51 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Danielle Smith is about to implement a program in Alberta scooping addicts off the streets and depositing them in facilities owned and operated by "for profit enterprise".  Worked for Hitler, so why not.  It will be interesting to see the cost of this program and whether it significantly improves the addicts behaviour, or if it's just a cash cow that shovels $$ towards her cohorts and changes nothing.  

This will inevitably fail when the validity is challenged in the courts as a violation of the Canadian Bill of Rights. This will give Ms. Smith another issue to wail over as an invasion of provincial authority. And she will spend millions appealing it- it's not her money after all, so why not? Only 10-15% of addicted people wind up on the street and the rest are driving trucks, enforcing laws, and providing health care, to name but a few professions. 

[HardCoreBlue]

30 minutes ago, Tracker said:

This will inevitably fail when the validity is challenged in the courts as a violation of the Canadian Bill of Rights. This will give Ms. Smith another issue to wail over as an invasion of provincial authority. And she will spend millions appealing it- it's not her money after all, so why not? Only 10-15% of addicted people wind up on the street and the rest are driving trucks, enforcing laws, and providing health care, to name but a few professions. 

Wow to your last sentence.

[Goalie]

On 2023-06-02 at 2:12 PM, Wideleft said:

It cannot be lost that the "wanting to be helped" is part of the process in regards to breaking addiction.  Hardly anyone is successful quitting anything cold turkey.  When you allow resources to build relationships with addicts, only then can the addict understand how to ask for and get help.

Yes from my understanding if a person doesn't want help, you are wasting your time as they will likely relapse quickly. I watch intervention regularly or did and a friend of mine works with addicted individuals  and it definitely shows you that the addict needs to want help. They need a strong support system regardless of even wanting to get clean or not for that matter. If no support they will fail. Since this is related to our downtown issues, I'm not sure most those people have any sort of support at all from family or friends and there lies a bit of a problem. They would require that support from ppl like my friend and not family or ppl they know.  It's a tough situation with some of them down there as they literally have nobody but themselves 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Goalie

[blue_gold_84]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/browaty-winnipeg-drug-council-1.6865068

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A Winnipeg city councillor has apologized for a remark he made about people living with addiction after criticism from community organizations working in harm reduction said his comments reflect misinformed thinking.

(His comments on Facebook) didn't sit well with Arlene Last-Kolb, co-founder of Overdose Awareness Manitoba, whose 24-year-old son Jessie died from a fentanyl poisoning in July 2014.

"We know how important language is," Last-Kolb said. "And of course, you know, you can't call people zombies.

"Things like that are damaging. Personally, for myself, it's upsetting. It's disrespectful."

Last-Kolb is among 36 people and organizations who signed a statement denouncing Browaty's comments.

"Before he judges, he should show a little more compassion," Last-Kolb said. 

The statement calls out Browaty for his language and his views on public policy, community well-being and fiscal responsibility.

"The people who Coun. Browaty repeatedly uses as political fodder have already experienced massive inequity in access to publicly funded supports, including health and mental health supports, and have experienced systemic violence that is well documented. We know that our systems need to change," a portion of the statement says.

Last-Kolb is among 36 people and organizations who signed a statement denouncing Browaty's comments.

"Before he judges, he should show a little more compassion," Last-Kolb said. 

The statement calls out Browaty for his language and his views on public policy, community well-being and fiscal responsibility.

"The people who Coun. Browaty repeatedly uses as political fodder have already experienced massive inequity in access to publicly funded supports, including health and mental health supports, and have experienced systemic violence that is well documented. We know that our systems need to change," a portion of the statement says.

"I apologize," Browaty said. "I realize all these people experiencing mental and physical distress on our streets are somebody's kids or parents and they are human beings at the end of the day. They are Winnipeggers."

[HardCoreBlue]

30 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/browaty-winnipeg-drug-council-1.6865068

You're entitled to your opinions inside your own head. But if you choose to express them out in the world, it's your responsibility to: (1) Ground them in logic and facts (2) Explain your reasoning to others (3) Change them when better evidence emerges.

Adam Grant

[JCon]

5 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

You're entitled to your opinions inside your own head. But if you choose to express them out in the world, it's your responsibility to: (1) Ground them in logic and facts (2) Explain your reasoning to others (3) Change them when better evidence emerges.

Adam Grant

And, if you're a politician, you have a larger responsibility not to be a POS. That's tough for Browaty. 

[HardCoreBlue]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

And, if you're a politician, you have a larger responsibility not to be a POS. That's tough for Browaty. 

Adam Grant was also the guy to say if you think you need to be an ******* to get ahead, you might be an *******.

[Tracker]

2 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

You're entitled to your opinions inside your own head. But if you choose to express them out in the world, it's your responsibility to: (1) Ground them in logic and facts (2) Explain your reasoning to others (3) Change them when better evidence emerges.

Adam Grant

You have just undermined the entire Cons strategy.

[GCJenks]

Had my first candidate at my door talking about the fall election yesterday, a rather humble affable gentleman. I wished him good luck as despite popular opinion I have some concerns about my neighbours. Hopefully realignment has worked in his favour. 

[blue_gold_84]

Has anyone received or know someone who has received these disgusting spam texts?

How is this garbage allowed?

[Bigblue204]

I got one

[JCon]

It's not. It's spam and it's not legal. Report those frauds. 

It's a disgusting cult. 

[Wideleft]

8 minutes ago, JCon said:

It's not. It's spam and it's not legal. Report those frauds. 

It's a disgusting cult. 

Speaking of disgusting cults (give or swap an "L").....

Trustee makes anti-trans remarks on social media
By: Maggie MacintoshPosted: 6:00 AM CDT Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2023Last Modified: 9:18 AM CDT Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2023

 

A St. Boniface school trustee is facing backlash for a series of anti-LGBTTQ+ social media posts published in the days leading up to Pride month.

Francine Champagne, a rookie board member in Winnipeg’s Louis Riel School Division, has taken to her personal Facebook page to share conspiracy theories and sensationalistic content about the trans community.

“The sexualization of our children in schools is all part of the agenda (insert angry face emoji),” the Ward 1 representative wrote in a May 25 post that links to stopworldcontrol.com — a website filled with false information that is self-described as being dedicated to “the worldwide mission for freedom.”

The site makes outrageous claims, including the World Health Organization is planning to create ongoing pandemics to control humanity. It also falsely suggests both the United Nations and WHO have said “children must have sexual partners.”

On May 13, Champagne published an image with text that reads: “To identify as = To live a lie.”

The elected official also recently shared another user’s post that states: “Make men masculine again. Make women feminine again. Make children innocent again.”

“These kinds of comments are so hurtful to those who are on their gender identity journey… Making people feel like they are unwanted or a mistake, and trying to police their bodies and health care is abuse, plain and simple,” said Larissa Sotas, a mother of a transgender student in LRSD.

Champagne did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Board chairwoman Sandy Nemeth confirmed she was aware of the posts. Nemeth noted this is a personnel matter and referred a reporter to LRSD’s code of conduct for trustees.

Each board member must sign a document pledging to prevent any real or perceived conflicts of interest and adhere to all internal policies at the start of their term. LRSD’s respect for human diversity documents state everyone is welcome into its facilities and a person’s self-identification is the sole measure of their gender.

“All individuals have the right to be addressed by a name and pronoun that corresponds to their gender identity or expression,” per internal protocols.

If a trustee breaches division policies, they may be subject to public censure, among other disciplinary measures.

Both Sotas and Thomas Linner, a father who lives in Ward 1, want officials to take corrective action to address Champagne’s actions.

Hateful attacks against trans and ***** youth take a severe toll on student mental health and contribute to disproportionately high suicide rates among these marginalized groups, said Linner, provincial director of the Manitoba Health Coalition.

“The problem here is not that we have one individual school trustee who believes in these conspiracy theories. The problem is that we are facing a movement, fuelled by these reactionary beliefs,” he added.

LRSD issued a statement touting the importance of diverse library collections amid recent discussions about LGBTTQ+ books in Brandon schools.

The president of the Manitoba Teachers’ Society said the Winnipeg trustee’s posts are not unrelated to a recent incident during which a group of rural residents decried the availability of books with ***** characters.

“What happened in Brandon sent a clear message,” said union leader Nathan Martindale, noting the mobilization of hundreds of community members in support of the LGBTTQ+ community.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2023/06/06/trustee-makes-anti-trans-remarks-on-social-media

[Tracker]

32 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Speaking of disgusting cults (give or swap an "L").....

Trustee makes anti-trans remarks on social media
By: Maggie MacintoshPosted: 6:00 AM CDT Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2023Last Modified: 9:18 AM CDT Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2023

 

A St. Boniface school trustee is facing backlash for a series of anti-LGBTTQ+ social media posts published in the days leading up to Pride month.

Francine Champagne, a rookie board member in Winnipeg’s Louis Riel School Division, has taken to her personal Facebook page to share conspiracy theories and sensationalistic content about the trans community.

“The sexualization of our children in schools is all part of the agenda (insert angry face emoji),” the Ward 1 representative wrote in a May 25 post that links to stopworldcontrol.com — a website filled with false information that is self-described as being dedicated to “the worldwide mission for freedom.”

The site makes outrageous claims, including the World Health Organization is planning to create ongoing pandemics to control humanity. It also falsely suggests both the United Nations and WHO have said “children must have sexual partners.”

On May 13, Champagne published an image with text that reads: “To identify as = To live a lie.”

The elected official also recently shared another user’s post that states: “Make men masculine again. Make women feminine again. Make children innocent again.”

“These kinds of comments are so hurtful to those who are on their gender identity journey… Making people feel like they are unwanted or a mistake, and trying to police their bodies and health care is abuse, plain and simple,” said Larissa Sotas, a mother of a transgender student in LRSD.

Champagne did not respond to requests for comment Monday.

Board chairwoman Sandy Nemeth confirmed she was aware of the posts. Nemeth noted this is a personnel matter and referred a reporter to LRSD’s code of conduct for trustees.

Each board member must sign a document pledging to prevent any real or perceived conflicts of interest and adhere to all internal policies at the start of their term. LRSD’s respect for human diversity documents state everyone is welcome into its facilities and a person’s self-identification is the sole measure of their gender.

“All individuals have the right to be addressed by a name and pronoun that corresponds to their gender identity or expression,” per internal protocols.

If a trustee breaches division policies, they may be subject to public censure, among other disciplinary measures.

Both Sotas and Thomas Linner, a father who lives in Ward 1, want officials to take corrective action to address Champagne’s actions.

Hateful attacks against trans and ***** youth take a severe toll on student mental health and contribute to disproportionately high suicide rates among these marginalized groups, said Linner, provincial director of the Manitoba Health Coalition.

“The problem here is not that we have one individual school trustee who believes in these conspiracy theories. The problem is that we are facing a movement, fuelled by these reactionary beliefs,” he added.

LRSD issued a statement touting the importance of diverse library collections amid recent discussions about LGBTTQ+ books in Brandon schools.

The president of the Manitoba Teachers’ Society said the Winnipeg trustee’s posts are not unrelated to a recent incident during which a group of rural residents decried the availability of books with ***** characters.

“What happened in Brandon sent a clear message,” said union leader Nathan Martindale, noting the mobilization of hundreds of community members in support of the LGBTTQ+ community.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2023/06/06/trustee-makes-anti-trans-remarks-on-social-media

This is typical of the fear and smear tactics that right-wingers use when it becomes apparent that they have screwed up so badly that they have no chance of winning the election. Those who claim that the left is as guilty as the right, need to just look around.

[Fatty Liver]

5 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Has anyone received or know someone who has received these disgusting spam texts?

How is this garbage allowed?

It's politics created for the dumb, by the dumb.  Honestly the level of intelligence presented in these documents is around a 4th grade level.

[HardCoreBlue]

33 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

It's politics created for the dumb, by the dumb.  Honestly the level of intelligence presented in these documents is around a 4th grade level.

You insult grade four.

[Brandon]

7 hours ago, JCon said:

It's not. It's spam and it's not legal. Report those frauds. 

It's a disgusting cult. 

When I had worked in private enterprise (10 years ago) we looked into targetted marketing and for a price you can get home and phone information and then pay to have direct ads to specific people.   It wasn't cheap but it was 100% available and legal.  Same goes with e-mail / personal info online.   

Similar to telemarketers or flyers in the mail it is legal for them to send out.   You can request to be removed from the list.   I can't remember the prices but it wasn't cheap that's for sure and it really makes me skeptical when United Way or other charity organizations send these out because the costs are large.  

As for that message above.  It is in extremely bad taste ,  yes.  Unfortunately not against the law.   

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

When I had worked in private enterprise (10 years ago) we looked into targetted marketing and for a price you can get home and phone information and then pay to have direct ads to specific people.   It wasn't cheap but it was 100% available and legal.  Same goes with e-mail / personal info online.   

Similar to telemarketers or flyers in the mail it is legal for them to send out.   You can request to be removed from the list.   I can't remember the prices but it wasn't cheap that's for sure and it really makes me skeptical when United Way or other charity organizations send these out because the costs are large.  

As for that message above.  It is in extremely bad taste ,  yes.  Unfortunately not against the law.   

Strange that it doesn't specify who to vote for if not Wab, is there a reason it doesn't identify itself as a Conservative document?

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

Strange that it doesn't specify who to vote for if not Wab, is there a reason it doesn't identify itself as a Conservative document?

The thing says don't vote for Liberal or NDP ... I highly doubt it was sent out by the Green party    

 

[GCn20]

17 hours ago, JCon said:

It's not. It's spam and it's not legal. Report those frauds. 

It's a disgusting cult. 

Please report it. Also, report all the exact same ads targeting the PCs put out by all the unions. They, too, are absolutely garbage and should be illegal as well.

[iHeart]

maybe we should keep a close eye on the numbers on our phones so we'll know which to not answer....if there are those that still use land lines, thankfully my phone can detect spam artists

[Wideleft]

52 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Please report it. Also, report all the exact same ads targeting the PCs put out by all the unions. They, too, are absolutely garbage and should be illegal as well.

False equivalence.  The unions are up front about who they are and represent.  WTF is the Canada Growth Council, who runs it and who funds it?

[blue_gold_84]

4 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

False equivalence.  The unions are up front about who they are and represent.  WTF is the Canada Growth Council, who runs it and who funds it?

More on the CGC: https://pressprogress.ca/tag/canada-growth-council/

And directly from the CGC website:

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The Canada Strong and Free Network (formerly the Manning Centre) was founded in 2005 to support Canada’s conservative movement by networking best practices and ideas pertaining to limited government, free enterprise, individual responsibility and a more robust civil society.

The Canada Strong and Free Network was founded in 2005 as the Manning Centre for Building Democracy to support Canada’s conservative movement by networking best practices and ideas pertaining to limited government, free enterprise, individual responsibility and a more robust civil society. The name change took place at the request of the organization’s founder Preston Manning in 2020.  

Disgusting *****.

Edited June 7, 2023 by blue_gold_84

[Tracker]

14 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

Strange that it doesn't specify who to vote for if not Wab, is there a reason it doesn't identify itself as a Conservative document?

Because Cons have smeared excrement all over themselves to the extent where they are ashamed to be identified as such. No credibility, so they try to make it look like an independent third party is raising concerns. 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Tracker

[Fatty Liver]

4 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

More on the CGC: https://pressprogress.ca/tag/canada-growth-council/

And directly from the CGC website:

Disgusting *****.

The mere mention of that man's name triggers me.