bigg jay Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, GCn20 said: It can happen but it is very rare. Kongbo was the exception not the rule. Most teams will not entertain the idea. Might see more of it now with the spring leagues in order to get these guys signed though. 2019 - Bombers released Kongbo 2021 - Bombers released Kongbo 2022 - Bombers released Ford It happens more than you are suggesting and those are just recent examples from our team. wbbfan and Noeller 2
JCon Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, bigg jay said: 2019 - Bombers released Kongbo 2021 - Bombers released Kongbo 2022 - Bombers released Ford It happens more than you are suggesting and those are just recent examples from our team. There's literally an NFL window every year! Shoen was down trying to get a deal too. bigg jay and Noeller 2
bigg jay Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 Just now, JCon said: There's literally an NFL window every year! Shoen was down trying to get a deal too. Alford left during the window too. Had he not stuck with an NFL team last year, he would have still been under contract with us. Noeller and JCon 2
rebusrankin Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 Hopefully the teams ahead of us go oline and we can nab a nice dl or lb prospect. Noeller, Stickem and Colin Unger 3
Colin Unger Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, GCn20 said: I disagree. In the CFL you are locked in for 2 years without NFL option. In the spring leagues you can play well and be signed in the NFL at any point of your contract. NFL likes to sign players when they are young. The XFL and USFL are better choices for many high draft picks who just need some pro film to gain NFL interest. OL, in particular, are always in high demand in the NFL and NFL teams are more willing to groom them over time if they are young. Sitting for 2 years in the CFL does not help that. No i agree. If he's focus is on NFL only then you're correct. What I was trying to suggest is that the NFL is an unlikely destination for him. He's not as good as Desjarlais and he didn't make it. To optimize his non-NFL career earnings he's best being in the CFL now and eating through his entry level deal. If he was NFL bound I think he would have forced his way into the starting lineup last year like Desjarlais did his first year. 1 hour ago, bigg jay said: 2019 - Bombers released Kongbo 2021 - Bombers released Kongbo 2022 - Bombers released Ford It happens more than you are suggesting and those are just recent examples from our team. I have some level of openness to CFL players being allowed to sign in the NFL the day after the Grey Cup. There would be an advantage in terms of recruiting and you'd also increase the likelihood of CFL players trying the NFL and failing and having them back in time for CFL training camp the next year. The downside is that there might be some suggestion that players are playing not to get injured in the playoffs. Edited March 30, 2023 by Colin Unger
Colin Unger Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 51 minutes ago, rebusrankin said: Hopefully the teams ahead of us go oline and we can nab a nice dl or lb prospect. Im never against drafting a quality offensive lineman if they are the board still at the rate we lose them to other cfl teams. But if we could get a difference maker on the defensive line that would be ideal. Maybe we can get some more help from the global draft. We'd done better than anyone in this regard and 5 out of the first 10 globals who were invited to the combine are defensive lineman. JCon and Bigblue204 2
bigg jay Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Colin Unger said: I have some level of openness to CFL players being allowed to sign in the NFL the day after the Grey Cup. There would be an advantage in terms of recruiting and you'd also increase the likelihood of CFL players trying the NFL and failing and having them back in time for CFL training camp the next year. The downside is that there might be some suggestion that players are playing not to get injured in the playoffs. Couple of points here. 1) If the player is released (and not using the option window), they can sign whenever they're able to. Kongbo was signed to the Niners about 6-7 weeks after the 2019 Grey Cup (we released him about 10 days after GC). 2) You're not considering that some of these players are signing NFL Futures Contracts (like Kongbo did that 1st year) meaning they won't be available until much later in the year. He signed Jan 1st 2020 but wasn't released until September after getting hurt. 3) I don't think the NFL is looking for players who half-ass it during games and aren't willing to put in full effort. If they are hoping to make it to the show and get that money, that's not the best way to go about it. JCon and Noeller 1 1
Tracker Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Geebrr said: We moved Eric Wilson to OL and that worked well. Not for the d-linemen he faced Colin Unger, Noeller and coach17 1 1 1
Stickem Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Colin Unger said: There would be an advantage in terms of recruiting and you'd also increase the likelihood of CFL players trying the NFL and failing and having them back in time for CFL training camp the next year. The downside is that there might be some suggestion that players are playing not to get injured in the playoffs. IF I'm scouting the games and I see a player who's taking plays off and doggin' it, because of their fear of injury.....he gets put in file 13 and referred to as an 'also ran'.......I'm sure most scouts would do the same and are pretty savvy bigg jay and Colin Unger 1 1
wbbfan Posted March 30, 2023 Report Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Tracker said: Not for the d-linemen he faced He was a beast on both sides of the line. Tracker and Noeller 1 1
GCn20 Posted March 31, 2023 Report Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, JCon said: There's literally an NFL window every year! Shoen was down trying to get a deal too. Imports and non drafted NATs can sign 2 year deals with an option after the first year. Drafted NATs cannot anymore. Kongbo could because the mandatory 2+1 contract did not exist at that time and he was able to sign a 1+1. Hate to be a TBurg but the part about having to sign a 2+1 is accurate and there is no NFL option until year 2 is completed, this was put into the CBA in 2021. 21 hours ago, bigg jay said: Couple of points here. 1) If the player is released (and not using the option window), they can sign whenever they're able to. Kongbo was signed to the Niners about 6-7 weeks after the 2019 Grey Cup (we released him about 10 days after GC). 2) You're not considering that some of these players are signing NFL Futures Contracts (like Kongbo did that 1st year) meaning they won't be available until much later in the year. He signed Jan 1st 2020 but wasn't released until September after getting hurt. 3) I don't think the NFL is looking for players who half-ass it during games and aren't willing to put in full effort. If they are hoping to make it to the show and get that money, that's not the best way to go about it. Kongbo's contract provided the option window that year, we just allowed him out of his contract early because (I would assume) he promised to return or we had a desk drawer new contract in place should he be released. Edited March 31, 2023 by GCn20
GCn20 Posted March 31, 2023 Report Posted March 31, 2023 23 hours ago, bigg jay said: 2019 - Bombers released Kongbo 2021 - Bombers released Kongbo 2022 - Bombers released Ford It happens more than you are suggesting and those are just recent examples from our team. 2019-Bombers released Kongbo but he was heading into his option in a few weeks anyway. 2021- Bombers released Kongbo but he was on an expiring contract anyway. 2023 - Yes the Bombers released Ford a year earlier than they needed to.
bigg jay Posted March 31, 2023 Report Posted March 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Kongbo's contract provided the option window that year, we just allowed him out of his contract early because (I would assume) he promised to return or we had a desk drawer new contract in place should he be released. That's not what was reported at the time and even if the previous NFL window had been in effect, it wouldn't have mattered to Kongbo as it only applied to players going into the final/option year of their contract. Quote Blue Bombers defensive end Jonathan Kongbo was released from a three-year contract to sign with the San Francisco 49ers. Had the NFL window, as worded in the CBA, been in effect, the Bombers would have retained Kongbo’s CFL rights, but now that is not the case. The Bombers honoured a handshake agreement with Kongbo, but they, like all other CFL teams, would rather an official policy be in place sooner rather than later. https://winnipegsun.com/sports/football/cfl/winnipeg-bluebombers/cfl-nfl-window-situation-still-not-resolved-but-there-are-ongoing-talks-between-two-leagues Noeller 1
Noeller Posted April 12, 2023 Report Posted April 12, 2023 Really great piece here from Our Man Tait on a potential draft pick who grew up idolizing Milt and Charlie: Piggy 1, bigg jay, Bigblue204 and 3 others 6
Super Duper Negatron Posted April 12, 2023 Author Report Posted April 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Noeller said: Really great piece here from Our Man Tait on a potential draft pick who grew up idolizing Milt and Charlie: Nice! If you look at my original post to start the thread, this is exactly who I was asking about. Would be cool to see him in Blue and Gold. Stickem, MOBomberFan, rebusrankin and 1 other 3 1
Jesse Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Noeller said: Really great piece here from Our Man Tait on a potential draft pick who grew up idolizing Milt and Charlie: Well, I don't know the names of anyone else in the draft, but he's my new favourite! Tracker, Noeller and Piggy 1 1 2
Mike Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 19 hours ago, Noeller said: I swear Marshall Ferguson is the most useless CFL analyst out there. Nothing he says ever makes any sense and it reeks of a guy who has the connections to get places but no ability to do anything with what he’s seeing. Cole Tucker and Jake Maier working underneath to imitate Collaros and Schoen? Schoen led the entire league in yards per catch because he was blowing the top off the D, not working underneath in the soft spots. Michael Brodrique to Montreal, he’s French! BC traded a number 1 overall pick LB for a 9th overall pick to draft … a LB! David Dallaire to be FB4 for Montreal in the second round, he’s French! Piggy 1, Jesse, Noeller and 1 other 1 3
Noeller Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 I'm just here for Mike's hot takes...... Jesse, rebusrankin, Piggy 1 and 2 others 1 1 3
camper_2 Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Mike said: I swear Marshall Ferguson is the most useless CFL analyst out there. Nothing he says ever makes any sense and it reeks of a guy who has the connections to get places but no ability to do anything with what he’s seeing. Cole Tucker and Jake Maier working underneath to imitate Collaros and Schoen? Schoen led the entire league in yards per catch because he was blowing the top off the D, not working underneath in the soft spots. Michael Brodrique to Montreal, he’s French! BC traded a number 1 overall pick LB for a 9th overall pick to draft … a LB! David Dallaire to be FB4 for Montreal in the second round, he’s French! Well, Mike please provide your 3 round detailed mock draft... As mentioned last week, when another decided to rip someone, its a chat forum with all supposely providing their thoughts, suggestions, etc... I for one, look forward to John Hodge's and Marshall Ferguson's mock drafts... Jesse and Noeller 2
GCn20 Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, camper_2 said: Well, Mike please provide your 3 round detailed mock draft... As mentioned last week, when another decided to rip someone, its a chat forum with all supposely providing their thoughts, suggestions, etc... I for one, look forward to John Hodge's and Marshall Ferguson's mock drafts... Ferguson has not been very good with his mock drafts, and Hodges are about the same as Maggie the Monkey's picks in football knowledge and accuracy...just a complete waste of time to read really. I am looking forward to Dunk's though, he does a great job and is usually pretty dialed in. rebusrankin, coach17, Noeller and 2 others 3 1 1
Noeller Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Ferguson has not been very good with his mock drafts, and Hodges are about the same as Maggie the Monkey's picks in football knowledge and accuracy...just a complete waste of time to read really. I am looking forward to Dunk's though, he does a great job and is usually pretty dialed in. 100% this. Piggy 1 1
bigg jay Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, camper_2 said: Well, Mike please provide your 3 round detailed mock draft... As mentioned last week, when another decided to rip someone, its a chat forum with all supposely providing their thoughts, suggestions, etc... I for one, look forward to John Hodge's and Marshall Ferguson's mock drafts... What's the point of doing a detailed mock draft when those details are wrong? I'm not convinced that he actually watches games other than the ones he works. Last year Ferguson said that the Riders weren't desperate for help on the o-line - anyone with a pair of eyes could see that was way off. Hodge isn't much better... he had us taking an OL early because it filled a "need" for us. Not sure where he saw the need but the team obviously didn't feel the same way since they took a grand total of zero OL last year. I do enjoy reading the mock drafts but they hold next to no value. Noeller and rebusrankin 1 1
camper_2 Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Noeller said: 100% this. Yes, looking forward to it as well... When will he be providing his mock draft, May 3rd?
rebusrankin Posted April 13, 2023 Report Posted April 13, 2023 I think we go BDPA (best defensive player available) in round one and likely rounds one and two. If we take an OL its a later round, more developmental, send back to school player. Noeller 1
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