CFL - 2023 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Mark F]

thought dickensen's threat to dump players was interesting.

 

"So now we have to find the same ways, or we have to get new players. "

 

maybe coach better Dave.

the guy seems obnoxious.

I say keep both dicks around  makes it easier for Bombers.

Edited July 24, 2023 by Mark F

[Stickem]

Dickie birds are in trouble.......I hope they don't make any/many changes and stay status quo ...They should go out together

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

thought dickensen's threat to dump players was interesting.

 

"So now we have to find the same ways, or we have to get new players. "

 

maybe coach better Dave.

the guy seems obnoxious.

I say keep both dicks around  makes it easier for Bombers.

He should go give his GM a stern talking to...

[SpeedFlex27]

1 hour ago, Mark F said:

thought dickensen's threat to dump players was interesting.

 

"So now we have to find the same ways, or we have to get new players. "

 

maybe coach better Dave.

the guy seems obnoxious.

I say keep both dicks around  makes it easier for Bombers.

Maybe Dickenson should threaten his STC Killam for his boneheaded decisions to go for two points on at least 2 different occasions that failed & the botched fake FG attempt. A guy one row up from me was yelling, "Fake, fake. It's a fake!" I asked him how he knew & he said that the regular holder didn't come outwith the FG unit. The backup qb Tommy Stevens did. If a fan coukd see that & knew it was a fake then so did the RedBlacks. Plus it was about third & three. Not a third & one. The Stamps had 6 points left on the field because of dumb playcalling. Enough to have won this game Maybe Killam should be fired. Those were his decisions. Dickenson has to look in the mirror first before passing out blame.

[Tracker]

11 hours ago, Bomberman said:

Prukop & Bennett for Ceresna & a pick.

My initial reaction is that there is not enough alcohol in Edmonton for that deal, but we're talking Chris Jones. 

[SpeedFlex27]

Being at the Stamps game yesterday gave me a chance to watch Pigrome do short yardage. Let me just say that he handled the situation quite well & watching him do it for the RedBlacks is something I'm not happy about. He was cut to make room for Prukop. Another wacky O'Shea personnel decision. He never gave the kid a chance. Even after what he did in the preseason.

Edited July 24, 2023 by SpeedFlex27

[Stickem]

52 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

He should go give his GM a stern talking to...

And he should start off the conversation with ...'you better take a damned good look at yourself in the mirror'

[GCn20]

14 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Being at the Stamps game yesterday gave me a chance to watch Pigrome do short yardage. Let me just say that he handled the situation quite well & watching him do it for the RedBlacks is something I'm not happy about. He was cut to make room for Prukop. Another wacky O'Shea personnel decision. He never gave the kid a chance. Even after what he did in the preseason.

Wacky? I guess from the outside looking in. A lot of decisions seem wacky to fans but we shouldn't assume we have the information available that the HC does. Pigrome and Prukop are a saw off in terms of talent as 3rd down specialists. Therefore, I will assume that there must have been other flies in the ointment that led to the decision. I do not think MOS cuts seemingly promising QBs without being confident he has done the right thing for the club. Could be Pigrome wasn't happy with his role, could be he was going off script, could be he wasn't meshing in the QB room, could be a lot of things that the fans wouldn't know.

I'd love for MOS to come out and air dirty laundry and put our minds at ease sometimes, but it is something he has not and will never do. 3 straight GC championships/appearances. Guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Edited July 24, 2023 by GCn20

[Super Duper Negatron]

2 hours ago, Geebrr said:

Asked if he felt his team lacked a killer instinct, Dickenson was indignant.

“I don’t really know what a killer instinct is. To me, do your job, execute, do your job. That’s it,” he said, shaking his head.

…

“We need to put the pedal down when we have momentum and put somebody away, and we just haven’t done that.”

Sounds like you just defined what a killer instinct is. 
 

https://3downnation.com/2023/07/24/get-results-or-get-new-players-stamps-dave-dickenson-warns-of-changes-following-loss-to-redblacks/

That is so unintentionally hilarious.

[Fatty Liver]

1 minute ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

That is so unintentionally hilarious.

Not that O'Shea would ever answer that question with anything less obscure.

[TBURGESS]

8 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Wacky? I guess from the outside looking in. A lot of decisions seem wacky to fans but we shouldn't assume we have the information available that the HC does. Pigrome and Prukop are a saw off in terms of talent as 3rd down specialists. Therefore, I will assume that there must have been other flies in the ointment that led to the decision. I do not think MOS cuts seemingly promising QBs without being confident he has done the right thing for the club. Could be Pigrome wasn't happy with his role, could be he was going off script, could be he wasn't meshing in the QB room, could be a lot of things that the fans wouldn't know.

I'd love for MOS to come out and air dirty laundry and put our minds at ease sometimes, but it is something he has not and will never do. 3 straight GC championships/appearances. Guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

MOS replaced the unknown Pigrome with the known quantity Prukop, likely at a higher cost. Why would you assume that there were any other factors? 

[SpeedFlex27]

Just now, TBURGESS said:

MOS replaced the unknown Pigrome with the known quantity Prukop, likely at a higher cost. Why would you assume that there were any other factors? 

I agree with that assumption. The only thing is most here feel that Pigrome is young at around 24 or 25 years of age. He has a potential that may be unlimited. We all know Prukop is a 29 year old failed USFL qb whose ceiling has been attained. He'll never be more than he is right now. We don't know that about Piigrome. 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

17 hours ago, Booch said:

Wasn't he tackled around the head? Nothing to complain about there...

If that RTP was on us- I would be furious. Dame ducked, what are you going to do?

[Stickem]

37 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

I agree with that assumption. The only thing is most here feel that Pigrome is young at around 24 or 25 years of age. He has a potential that may be unlimited. We all know Prukop is a 29 year old failed USFL qb whose ceiling has been attained. He'll never be more than he is right now. We don't know that about Piigrome. 

Thought it was a bad move......dropping Pigrome and going with a guy who frucked up in the Cup for us....then watching the last games these guys played recently...Pigrome running for a first down easily for Ottawa in the stumps game, and Prukop fumbling us out of a first down against the Elks ????

Edited July 24, 2023 by Stickem

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

19 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

MOS replaced the unknown Pigrome with the known quantity Prukop, likely at a higher cost. Why would you assume that there were any other factors? 

Because, we as fans are not privy to all the facts? Might be that. 

[Geebrr]

29 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

That is so unintentionally hilarious.

You can just imagine how condescendingly the first part was said as well.

Then he goes and describes the lack of “killer instinct” his team has had this year. 
 

It is beautiful. 

[SpeedFlex27]

21 minutes ago, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

Because, we as fans are not privy to all the facts? Might be that. 

Or might not. We don't know.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Wacky? I guess from the outside looking in. A lot of decisions seem wacky to fans but we shouldn't assume we have the information available that the HC does. Pigrome and Prukop are a saw off in terms of talent as 3rd down specialists. Therefore, I will assume that there must have been other flies in the ointment that led to the decision. I do not think MOS cuts seemingly promising QBs without being confident he has done the right thing for the club. Could be Pigrome wasn't happy with his role, could be he was going off script, could be he wasn't meshing in the QB room, could be a lot of things that the fans wouldn't know.

I'd love for MOS to come out and air dirty laundry and put our minds at ease sometimes, but it is something he has not and will never do. 3 straight GC championships/appearances. Guess I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

i give nobody that benefit...when I see the bad roster move....grey cup appearances or not...those arr moot now....its what have u done lately and if u dont see some bad roster moves...active and PR u arent looking and have blue colored glasses 100 percent of time,,Prukop is what he is...and will be nothing more..Pigrome...was a huge unknown and worth the invested time

[BigBlueFanatic]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

i give nobody that benefit...when I see the bad roster move....grey cup appearances or not...those arr moot now....its what have u done lately and if u dont see some bad roster moves...active and PR u arent looking and have blue colored glasses 100 percent of time,,Prukop is what he is...and will be nothing more..Pigrome...was a huge unknown and worth the invested time

O’Shea’s own words, “it doesn’t have to look like last week, or last year.  It just has to look like a win”

Prukop may very well get back to excelling at his given role.  Pigrome seems to be doing the same but with that upside we now have no chance of seeing in blue and gold.

[Brandon]

Prukop is far more experienced and outside of the Grey Cup he showed well when he had last played with us.   We don't need a "project' QB,  we already have Dru Brown.    Plus Strev will be back in 2 years once Zach decides to retire and become our QB coach. 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Tracker said:

My initial reaction is that there is not enough alcohol in Edmonton for that deal, but we're talking Chris Jones. 

I suggested some thing similar in the bombers thread, but I would kick in kola and want ford. I think jones is crazy enough to go for it. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Prukop is far more experienced and outside of the Grey Cup he showed well when he had last played with us.   We don't need a "project' QB,  we already have Dru Brown.    Plus Strev will be back in 2 years once Zach decides to retire and become our QB coach. 

He was average last year as well early on he was running way to high and struggled as well. Outside of when it counts, early on, and most recently, he didn’t suck. He did what pigrome did with Ottawa. It’s a free project because he can do exactly with poopkup can do, but cheaper. 
 

6 minutes ago, Brandon said:

Prukop is far more experienced and outside of the Grey Cup he showed well when he had last played with us.   We don't need a "project' QB,  we already have Dru Brown.    Plus Strev will be back in 2 years once Zach decides to retire and become our QB coach. 

Short yardage as a full time dedicated roster spot is insane as well. In the cfl you need all the qb depth you can get. In general in football your qb fortunes can turn on a dime and your franchise with it. 
 Qb sneak is the easiest damn play in football. It’s 99% ol and 1% not messing up. Holder on fg kicks, long snapper etc are way more important. 

[GCn20]

28 minutes ago, Booch said:

i give nobody that benefit...when I see the bad roster move....grey cup appearances or not...those arr moot now....its what have u done lately and if u dont see some bad roster moves...active and PR u arent looking and have blue colored glasses 100 percent of time,,Prukop is what he is...and will be nothing more..Pigrome...was a huge unknown and worth the invested time

Perhaps...or maybe he was a locker room cancer causing trouble because he didn't like his role? Can you say for sure that wasn't the case? Maybe, he was an ill fit in the QB room. All I'm saying is that we don't know. Pigrome and Prukop are probably about equal in ability. Maybe it was just that Prukop was a way better fit. Maybe, the Bombers coaches just saw something in Pigrome that leads them to believe his ceiling is a lot lower than what many think. Who knows. Certainly not you or I when it comes to something like that.

It is not drinking the koolaid to know that there is more to football than straight up skill evaluation. Gimme a break with that cock and bull. Don't lecture about drinking the koolaid when someone points out that Pigrome might be nothing more than a shiny bauble. You got a hate on for MOS roster management right now...I get that....but drinking the koolaid. FFS...smh.

27 minutes ago, BigBlueFanatic said:

O’Shea’s own words, “it doesn’t have to look like last week, or last year.  It just has to look like a win”

Prukop may very well get back to excelling at his given role.  Pigrome seems to be doing the same but with that upside we now have no chance of seeing in blue and gold.

Or maybe that 'upside" just isn't there.

Edited July 24, 2023 by GCn20

[Fatty Liver]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I suggested some thing similar in the bombers thread, but I would kick in kola and want ford. I think jones is crazy enough to go for it. 
 

 

He was average last year as well early on he was running way to high and struggled as well. Outside of when it counts, early on, and most recently, he didn’t suck. He did what pigrome did with Ottawa. It’s a free project because he can do exactly with poopkup can do, but cheaper. 
 

Short yardage as a full time dedicated roster spot is insane as well. In the cfl you need all the qb depth you can get. In general in football your qb fortunes can turn on a dime and your franchise with it. 
 Qb sneak is the easiest damn play in football. It’s 99% ol and 1% not messing up. Holder on fg kicks, long snapper etc are way more important. 

Walters announced during the off-season the 3rd QB would not be competing with Brown for the 2nd position but would be given a "Strev. like package" to work with.  7 games gone and we've seen none of that package yet, which could be helpful diversifying the offence.

[GCn20]

10 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I suggested some thing similar in the bombers thread, but I would kick in kola and want ford. I think jones is crazy enough to go for it. 
 

 

He was average last year as well early on he was running way to high and struggled as well. Outside of when it counts, early on, and most recently, he didn’t suck. He did what pigrome did with Ottawa. It’s a free project because he can do exactly with poopkup can do, but cheaper. 
 

Short yardage as a full time dedicated roster spot is insane as well. In the cfl you need all the qb depth you can get. In general in football your qb fortunes can turn on a dime and your franchise with it. 
 Qb sneak is the easiest damn play in football. It’s 99% ol and 1% not messing up. Holder on fg kicks, long snapper etc are way more important. 

I do agree that SY QB is a head scratcher. Always was to me. It's worked out for us but I would rather have a 3rd QB in development instead. Find a bonafide number 3 that is worthy of developing. We are one hit away from him being our backup. That being said, I honestly don't think the Bombers saw Pigrome in that way. We know he can run. Can he read a defence? Does he understand our game? Does he seem to be learning it? Does he have the arm? He hasn't answered a single question on my list and we are grousing about him as the one who got away. Seems very premature to me.

[Geebrr]

29 minutes ago, Booch said:

Prukop is what he is...and will be nothing more..Pigrome...was a huge unknown and worth the invested time

I said this at the time. I got a bunch of responses about good Prukop is at short yardage. Something Darrin Bauming has been saying for a year and a half and people parrot.