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Rich Mentor

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1 minute ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Anyone have a link to a site with CFL stats before 2016? cfl.ca only goes back that far and nobody his sniffed 1500 yards rushing in that time frame. Harris was the closest, but not that close.

This site has historical stats.  Probably not in the easiest format for you to pull from though.

https://stats.cfldb.ca

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TrueBlue4ever
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Didn't like Proulx when he first became a head referee, but IMO he has morphed into the best head ref the league has.

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voodoochylde Mentor

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50 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Anyone have a link to a site with CFL stats before 2016? cfl.ca only goes back that far and nobody his sniffed 1500 yards rushing in that time frame. Harris was the closest, but not that close.

The last time someone did it was in 2013 - Jon Cornish.  A ridiculous 1800+ rushing yards.  

So .. it's been a decade since anyone has come close to Brady's numbers.

With that said, the running game was much more prominent a decade ago.  Top running backs were all hovering around that 1500 yard mark.

 

Jesse Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

The last time someone did it was in 2013 - Jon Cornish.  A ridiculous 1800+ rushing yards.  

So .. it's been a decade since anyone has come close to Brady's numbers.

Let's not forget his 500 receiving yards and league leading 13 TDs.

JCon Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, voodoochylde said:

The last time someone did it was in 2013 - Jon Cornish.  A ridiculous 1800+ rushing yards.  

So .. it's been a decade since anyone has come close to Brady's numbers.

With that said, the running game was much more prominent a decade ago.  Top running backs were all hovering around that 1500 yard mark.

 

And, BO is in his second season as a starter. 

voodoochylde Mentor

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7 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Let's not forget his 500 receiving yards and league leading 13 TDs.

By every metric, Brady has had the more exceptional season.

Objectively, he did more to help his team be successful than any other MOP nominee.   You take Kelly out of the Toronto offense, they still won games and still managed great field position in every contest they were in.  You take Brady off the Bombers, do we win the close games?  Do we grind out wins?  Chances are, no.

Pepper_Brooks Proficient

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The award is for the Most OUTSTANDING Player. Kelly has performed exceptionally well as a first-year starter, but he hasn't quite reached the level of "outstanding". I can't recall any truly exceptional individual plays, highlight-reel throws, or remarkable sack evasions from him. Zach Collaros is undeniably an outstanding QB. Nathan Rourke was unquestionably outstanding last year. Chad Kelly took over the reigning Grey Cup Champion squad and has kept them performing consistently.

On the other hand, Brady Oliveira has truly been outstanding this year. He has made numerous exceptional individual efforts, dominated in the fourth quarter, excelled in all the RB statistical categories, and amassed over 2000 yards of individual offense. He is undoubtedly the most outstanding player of the 2023 season, and he achieved this with a Canadian passport to boot. The CFL media should give him the respect he deserves.

TrueBlue4ever Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Anyone have a link to a site with CFL stats before 2016? cfl.ca only goes back that far and nobody his sniffed 1500 yards rushing in that time frame. Harris was the closest, but not that close.

Here is a list or every rusher who has gone over 1,500 yards in a season (tracked since 1954):

2065 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (1998)

1972 - Mike Pringle, Bal (1994)

1896 - Willie Burden, Cgy (1975)

1813 - Jon Cornish, Cgy (2013)

1794 - Earl Lunsford, Cgy (1961)

1791 - Mike Pringle, Bal (1995)

1778 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (2000)

1775 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (1997)

1769 - Robert Mimbs, Wpg (1991)

1768 - George Reed, Ssk (1965)

1733 - Willard Reaves, Wpg (1984)

1722 - Johnny Bright, Edm (1958)

1679 - Johnny Bright, Edm (1957)

1678 - David Green, Mtl (1979)

1656 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (1999)

1629 - Lovell Coleman, Cgy (1964)

1628 - Troy Davis, Ham (2004)

1624 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2005)

1609 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2006)

1581 - Jimmie Edwards, Ham (1977)

1554 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2003)

1541 - Joffrey Reynolds, Cgy (2006)

1534 - Brady Oliveira, Wpg (2023)

1527 - Mack Herron, Wpg (1972)

1522 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2004)

1520 - George Dixon, Mtl (1962)

1510 - Joe Smith, BC (2007)

1504 - Joffrey Reynolds, Cgy (2009)

1503 - Reggie Taylor, Edm (1989)

Oliveira had the 23rd highest  total in CFL history.


And here is the list of players over 2000 yards from scrimmage in a single season since 1954:

2414 - Mike Pringle, Bal (1994)

2414 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (1998)

2207 - Robert Mimbs, Wpg (1991)

2157 - Jon Cornish, Cgy (2013)

2140 - Willard Reaves, Wpg (1984)

2127 - Willie Burden, Cgy (1975)

2111 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (2000)

2102 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2003)

2098 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2005)

2088 - Mike Pringle, Mtl (1997)

2071 - Ed Buchanan, Ssk (1964)

2039 - Hal Patterson, Mtl (1956)

2034 - Tim McCray, Ssk (1989)

2020 - Charles Roberts, Wpg (2006)

2019 - Brandon Whitaker, Mtl (2011)

2018 - Terry Greer, Tor (1983)

2016 - Brady Oliveira, Wpg (2023)

Oliveira had the 17th highest total in CFL history. 

Pepper_Brooks Proficient

Pepper_Brooks

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If a random sample of 10 people from your team's city can't identify you, you should be considered ineligible for MOP.

I'd bet a bottle of CC that Chad Kelly is more notable in Toronto for being Buffalo Bills legend Jim Kelly's nephew than for leading the Argos to their best ever regular season 😂

Goalie Grand Master

Goalie

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Lots of Americans on those lists. Not many Canadians in the modern Era *Cornish and Brady 

I'm curious tho... Toronto continues to win without him, can we without Brady? 

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TrueBlue4ever Grand Master

TrueBlue4ever

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20 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

@TrueBlue4ever good job. Now show where Kelly's passing yardage ranks alltime. Lol 

 

19 hours ago, Booch said:

and TD passes in a season lol

I can legitimately say this much -

Only going back as far as 2016, there have been 18 QBs with more passing yards in a season than Kelly produced this year (20 if you pro-rate the 2021 season which was only 13 games), and 17 QBs with more single season TDs (18 if pro-rated to include 2021).  Consider that 7 year comparison  to Brady’s 70 year comparable span. 

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Booch Grand Master

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Just now, TrueBlue4ever said:

 

I can legitimately say this much -

Only going back as far as 2016, there have been 18 QBs with more passing yards in a season than Kelly produced this year (20 if you pro-rate the 2021 season which was only 13 games), and 17 QBs with more single season TDS (18 if pro-rated to include 2019).  Compare that 7 year comparison  to Brady’s 70 year comparable span. 

So Kelly has trully been.....outstanding...hahahaha....or shall we say average?....to good?

watch this....Duane Ford at around the 11:45 minute mark makes great sense...and nails the Argo thing on the head

 

WinnipegGordo Grand Master

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Does anyone know if there is a playoff roster freeze in the CFL?  Argos picked this guy up and he was just released by the Riders 2 days ago. Would he be eligible to be on the active roster in the playoffs?

I rememeber there was some talk years ago when the TiCats picked up TJ Harris but I dont recall the details.

 

Fatty Liver Grand Master

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2 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Does anyone know if there is a playoff roster freeze in the CFL?  Argos picked this guy up and he was just released by the Riders 2 days ago. Would he be eligible to be on the active roster in the playoffs?

I rememeber there was some talk years ago when the TiCats picked up TJ Harris but I dont recall the details.

 

From CFL Transactions Bombers added 3 more recently, probably just look-sees for next season.

WPG ADD  AMER Terry WILSON (QB)    New Mexico

WPG ADD  AMER Ontaria WILSON (WR)    Florida State

WPG ADD  AMER Jamal WOODS (DL)    Illinois

 

Jamal Woods 6'-2" 290 lbs. #91 looks thick and powerful, better suited to DT than DE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CUTUdihY70&ab_channel=MPHBOBO

Ontaria "Pokey" Wilson WR 6'-0" 175 lbs. #80 good hands, looks smooth and fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-hPBcW8bEY&ab_channel=Marquishimo

GCn20 Grand Master

GCn20

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17 hours ago, Pepper_Brooks said:

The award is for the Most OUTSTANDING Player. Kelly has performed exceptionally well as a first-year starter, but he hasn't quite reached the level of "outstanding". I can't recall any truly exceptional individual plays, highlight-reel throws, or remarkable sack evasions from him. Zach Collaros is undeniably an outstanding QB. Nathan Rourke was unquestionably outstanding last year. Chad Kelly took over the reigning Grey Cup Champion squad and has kept them performing consistently.

On the other hand, Brady Oliveira has truly been outstanding this year. He has made numerous exceptional individual efforts, dominated in the fourth quarter, excelled in all the RB statistical categories, and amassed over 2000 yards of individual offense. He is undoubtedly the most outstanding player of the 2023 season, and he achieved this with a Canadian passport to boot. The CFL media should give him the respect he deserves.

Completely agree. Kelly did his job and did it well. Nothing more. BO exceeded all expectations.

17 hours ago, voodoochylde said:

By every metric, Brady has had the more exceptional season.

Objectively, he did more to help his team be successful than any other MOP nominee.   You take Kelly out of the Toronto offense, they still won games and still managed great field position in every contest they were in.  You take Brady off the Bombers, do we win the close games?  Do we grind out wins?  Chances are, no.

Toronto's average starting field position and number of offensive series is by far the most in the CFL, yet they squandered a lot of those opportunities with a pretty pedestrian red zone efficiency.

Booch Grand Master

Booch

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18 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Completely agree. Kelly did his job and did it well. Nothing more. BO exceeded all expectations.

Toronto's average starting field position and number of offensive series is by far the most in the CFL, yet they squandered a lot of those opportunities with a pretty pedestrian red zone efficiency.

wouldn't tops in the league redzone efficiency kind of indicate your QB was outstanding???....Not sure what 6th in the league indicates...definitely not outstanding

bearpants Veteran

bearpants

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16 hours ago, Booch said:

So Kelly has trully been.....outstanding...hahahaha....or shall we say average?....to good?

watch this....Duane Ford at around the 11:45 minute mark makes great sense...and nails the Argo thing on the head

 

I only listened for about 20 mins... but this seems like a fantastic podcast... might help that Bob was on (unless he's a regular)... and providing full league wide coverage, not just the Ticats was nice. 

Booch Grand Master

Booch

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10 minutes ago, bearpants said:

I only listened for about 20 mins... but this seems like a fantastic podcast... might help that Bob was on (unless he's a regular)... and providing full league wide coverage, not just the Ticats was nice. 

hit on some solid points...awards, and how it should be changed, and who/how many should vote....balancing of sched...and how Grey Cup participants from previous year should meet 2x ...solid podcast

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