Bombers @ LOLKs: Week Of Aug 10 Thread

[Goalie]

DT had ppl for a second cuz depth chart out and exactly the same as last week 

[blue85gold]

36 minutes ago, Goalie said:

DT had ppl for a second cuz depth chart out and exactly the same as last week 

Hard to argue with the results last week but would love to see Parker get on and another DLineman since Ford is a runner.

[Noeller]

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Noeller

[Bubba Zanetti]

I guess we might as well trade Jamal Parker if he's just going to be used as a practice body.

[Booch]

20 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Hard to argue with the results last week but would love to see Parker get on and another DLineman since Ford is a runner.

yeah didnt expect a change....hoped for one and just as you mentioned...oh well

[Atomic]

Don't care so much about the DL this week but really surprised we are sticking with McCrae as the returner. He is scary back there and not in a good way.

[Booch]

4 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

I guess we might as well trade Jamal Parker if he's just going to be used as a practice body.

don't get it...we totally don't need Mcrae on offence right now....but could use another defensive body and a more reliable punt returner....Our return game and ability to gain field position...or flip the field for that matter has been non-existent with Mcrae...and to be honest a bit scary

Just now, Atomic said:

Don't care so much about the DL this week but really surprised we are sticking with McCrae as the returner. He is scary back there and not in a good way.

and from watching practice Monday, still was scary and so unsure...Parker was smooth like Grant....able to catch the ball and go immediately, as well as grab it confidently on the run....Mcrae let everyone that wasnt at him bounce

[Bubba Zanetti]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

don't get it...we totally don't need Mcrae on offence right now....but could use another defensive body and a more reliable punt returner....Our return game and ability to gain field position...or flip the field for that matter has been non-existent with Mcrae...and to be honest a bit scary

You know O'Shea. Its going to take a game losing McCrae punt return fumble in the 4th quarter of a close game for him to make any changes. I dont get it. We barely ever use McCrae and he's not needed at the moment especially with Lawler back. O'Shea/coaches cant possibly all be blind and not noticing the bobbles every time McCrae catches a kick. Its just a matter of time until one hits the ground. Youve got an in-house perfect solution in Parker. USE HIM FOR F**K SAKES.

[JCon]

1 hour ago, Wideleft said:

https://www.bluebombers.com/2019/09/07/streveler-is-a-man-on-a-mission/

(video)

I do not miss Rod Black one bit.

[Booch]

Just now, Bubba Zanetti said:

You know O'Shea. Its going to take a game losing McCrae punt return fumble in the 4th quarter of a close game for him to make any changes. I dont get it. We barely ever use McCrae and he's not needed at the moment especially with Lawler back. O'Shea/coaches cant possibly all be blind and not noticing the bobbles every time McCrae catches a kick. Its just a matter of time until one hits the ground. Youve got an in-house perfect solution in Parker. USE HIM FOR F**K SAKES.

Truth

seems with Osh that if we win...he just keeps as is...sure why change things...but also there are options to make us even better, with guys who have been here...not rookies...so why wait for a screw-up causing a loss...or just a loss cause a certain player wasn't the best option....dont get that...be pro-active and not reactive

[rebusrankin]

I don't get keeping McCrae at returner when he's been meh and shaky to boot. I don't get not adding another DL. I don't get why Osh loves Jackson so much. A DA spot on a back up fullback, STer is a total waste. Sadly he's likely on until we have a DL disaster that costs us a game.

[bearpants]

3 hours ago, Tracker said:

Oh, dear. Does that mean that the Ilks are likely to lose to the Bombers now?

it certainly doesn't help their chances... probably make the Bombers a slight favourite now...

[Bigblue204]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

don't get it...we totally don't need Mcrae on offence right now....but could use another defensive body and a more reliable punt returner....Our return game and ability to gain field position...or flip the field for that matter has been non-existent with Mcrae...and to be honest a bit scary

and from watching practice Monday, still was scary and so unsure...Parker was smooth like Grant....able to catch the ball and go immediately, as well as grab it confidently on the run....Mcrae let everyone that wasnt at him bounce

Wonder if something non football related happened to Parker. He was list an a non participant last practice, but it said not injury related.....?

[Pepper_Brooks]

I can't wait to catch tomorrow's game featuring Brian "Blitzing Bolt" Cole. His bright performance in limited plays has me eager to see him in action, especially as he seems to be a great match against the Elks' young and mobile QB Tre Ford.

[bearpants]

the lack of DL rotation makes me nervous... not just for in-game replacement... but for wearing out Jeffcoat (and Willie, for that matter) in the early-mid season... I'd rather Jeffcoat take lots of snaps off now and be ready to go 100% in November...

As for the NA rule... let me see if I have this correct... from Edmonton's perspective (because they are actually using it)... Ealy will "start" the game (i.e. play one snap) then sub out for Ceresna... then throughout the game, the can run Ceresna and Ealy for 23 snaps, as Ceresna would technically be subbing in for Canadian starter Nelson at that point... seems like something we should be using...

Flipping that over to us... we could list Walker as the NA... "start" Fox... then play 23 snaps with both of them as Walker would be subbing for Thomas... 

[GCn20]

On 2023-08-07 at 3:39 PM, TrueBlue4ever said:

Problem that hasn’t been analyzed as fully in the whole “roster management” debate is that these moves aren’t made in a vacuum, and most every roster switch requires a counter measure. So if you pull Jackson for Fox as an example, we now have no fullback on the roster, since Miller is still hurt. So one possibility is that Jackson is used as the DA because of ratio rules and we need that Canadian  starter on the roster on offence. Or we make another counter measure like benching Bailey for O’Leary-Orange. 

Now I don’t pretend to have the answers here, would be happy to  have others explain a scenario that works that keeps players at every position and factors in the ratio requirements. Easy to say we need another DL or that Jake Thomas should be sat, but it isn’t as simple as that with the Canadian ratio rules or the snap limit and eligibility years required for the DA. Fortunately the powers that be have found a way to manage it adequately enough to keep us winning a lot more than not. 

Two random questions for those more in the know. First, I don’t see where Jamal Parker had any more significant college experience returning punts than McCrae (Parker had only 2 punt returns in his 4 year career in college, McCrae zero) but certainly had more experience as a kick returner (which McCrae also did, but in a more limited capacity). So the first question is: is there any significant difference in fielding punts vs kickoffs?  I’ve certainly seen specialists in each area, and some like Grant handle both jobs very well, but are there any factors that make one more technically difficult than the other?

Second question regarding fatigue and the need for rotational players. Are certain positions more prone to players getting gassed than others? If so, which ones and why? I have my ideas but want to hear from those in the know. Thanks in advance. 

The trenches gas out faster because the guys in them are big men carrying extra pounds. Fielding punts is a different skill than fielding kickoffs but it's more of a mental thing because we don't have fair catch. You gotta field it and get your eyes upfield ASAP or you will be road kill. Some guys struggle with that. Also punts are generally coming down more vertically because of hang time. That makes it more challenging as well.

The depth chart I was expecting. Hopefully, Grant is ready to go soon.

[Stickem]

I just hope we don't take this game for granted and keep the pedal to the metal ALL game....We've seen Ford before so there should be no surprises there ....Lewis on the sideline doesn't bode well for them BUT we still have to keep Ford in check and pressure the heck out of him....Do not like the fact Parker is not returning this game.....I'm going to get a little antsy watching McRea fielding kicks....Long as he can keep the ball in front of him and make sure he doesn't cough it up he can be adequate.....barely

Edited August 9, 2023 by Stickem

[BBlink]

I have faith that the current contingent of linebackers will keep Tre Ford from making too many big plays.

[HardCoreBlue]

34 minutes ago, Stickem said:

I just hope we don't take this game for granted and keep the pedal to the metal ALL game....We've seen Ford before so there should be no surprises there ....Lewis on the sideline doesn't bode well for them BUT we still have to keep Ford in check and pressure the heck out of him....Do not like the fact Parker is not returning this game.....I'm going to get a little antsy watching McRea fielding kicks....Long as he can keep the ball in front of him and make sure he doesn't cough it up he can be adequate.....barely

Being a long time nervous nelly hardcore Bomber fan that I am, I am soooo with you on this. DO NOT play to their level.

I do not want to be the Elks first win of the season, especially living here in enemy territory.

[Booch]

1 hour ago, rebusrankin said:

I don't get keeping McCrae at returner when he's been meh and shaky to boot. I don't get not adding another DL. I don't get why Osh loves Jackson so much. A DA spot on a back up fullback, STer is a total waste. Sadly he's likely on until we have a DL disaster that costs us a game.

Or Miller is back....whatever comes first....but good chance he will sit someone else and keep burning that DA spot...which makes it even more frustrating as he is still being a stubborn clown and not using the Nationalized American option as well....why is anyone's guess but he is the only one not taking advantage of it

If he would use Jackson for meaningful reps outside of garbage time it wouldn't be so bad...but he's not.....so it's pointless to burn the DA for 6 to 10 snaps a game and some ST work....If a coach on another team...Especially Jones or Dicklesson in Sask was doing that....not using the nationalized rule as well....we'd be chortling and laughing and saying what a doofus he was and a lousy coach...But since our own is doing it...its all good...we won 2 cups...last of which was 2 yrs ago....yeah us

[Booch]

1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:

Wonder if something non football related happened to Parker. He was list an a non participant last practice, but it said not injury related.....?

he fully participated...and also took reps with the starters on defence....Prob some excuse Osh is using to justify not placing him on roster hahaha....I laugh and jest....but in a way....sadly its prob true

 

1 hour ago, bearpants said:

the lack of DL rotation makes me nervous... not just for in-game replacement... but for wearing out Jeffcoat (and Willie, for that matter) in the early-mid season... I'd rather Jeffcoat take lots of snaps off now and be ready to go 100% in November...

As for the NA rule... let me see if I have this correct... from Edmonton's perspective (because they are actually using it)... Ealy will "start" the game (i.e. play one snap) then sub out for Ceresna... then throughout the game, the can run Ceresna and Ealy for 23 snaps, as Ceresna would technically be subbing in for Canadian starter Nelson at that point... seems like something we should be using...

Flipping that over to us... we could list Walker as the NA... "start" Fox... then play 23 snaps with both of them as Walker would be subbing for Thomas... 

It's a season ending...or a significant injury waiting to happen....And one of our ends is prone to injury....and from experience playing....many many injuries occur with tired out guys, or when guys are "taking a play off"...cause they are just gassed.

Does anyone here truly think that say  if Willie or Jeffcoat got knocked out first quarter we would be okay with Bennett and Thomas basically on the field all damn game?...I sure don't....and anyone who says yeah is fullashit!

Same even can be said for Walker...Thomas cant pull 80% of reps...Nor can Lawson yet at this point as he has never had to do that....but he should be....

[Booch]

1 hour ago, bearpants said:

the lack of DL rotation makes me nervous... not just for in-game replacement... but for wearing out Jeffcoat (and Willie, for that matter) in the early-mid season... I'd rather Jeffcoat take lots of snaps off now and be ready to go 100% in November...

As for the NA rule... let me see if I have this correct... from Edmonton's perspective (because they are actually using it)... Ealy will "start" the game (i.e. play one snap) then sub out for Ceresna... then throughout the game, the can run Ceresna and Ealy for 23 snaps, as Ceresna would technically be subbing in for Canadian starter Nelson at that point... seems like something we should be using...

Flipping that over to us... we could list Walker as the NA... "start" Fox... then play 23 snaps with both of them as Walker would be subbing for Thomas... 

and yes...100% correct on the rule....and also gives you nice coverage if an injury occurs as well to a Canadian on defence...as you can rotate that guy in as a Canadian...which was the main intent of the rule as well....so to not even at least designate a guy....even if you choose not to do it save for an injury....is well stupid...

[Nolby]

I love and hate these games, could be a trap game, star player could get hurt....  but then we could put up 50 on them. I expect a win but always get that little feeling when it comes to these games.

[Noeller]

I have to head up by Edmonton for work on Friday, so I decided to switch some things around and head up for the game Thursday night. I am forever terrified of being the guy in the opponents jersey when the home team embarrasses us. Like, I don't want to be the guy in the jersey of the team that finally let Edm finally win a home game.... ugh. I have spent enough time in both Commonwealth and McMahon where the Bombers got embarrassed and I had to hear all about it. Terrified of that tomorrow......but still have confidence in the fact that we're just flat-out a much much better team than Edmonton, so it SHOULD be okay........ 

[Bubba Zanetti]

1 minute ago, Noeller said:

I have to head up by Edmonton for work on Friday, so I decided to switch some things around and head up for the game Thursday night. I am forever terrified of being the guy in the opponents jersey when the home team embarrasses us. Like, I don't want to be the guy in the jersey of the team that finally let Edm finally win a home game.... ugh. I have spent enough time in both Commonwealth and McMahon where the Bombers got embarrassed and I had to hear all about it. Terrified of that tomorrow......but still have confidence in the fact that we're just flat-out a much much better team than Edmonton, so it SHOULD be okay........ 

My buddy was in Ottawa for the epic collapse. He was giving it to them pretty hard, even starting a key gingling "Beat The Traffic" chant midway through the 4th lol. And then had to sit there and get back slaps and taunts from dozens of Redblack fans as they left the stadium lol.