2023/2024 CFL (Non Bombers) Off Season News

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

That's your opinion. Committing a felony trespass, then cozying up next to a sleeping woman and child, then uttering threats at her and her room mate on the way out....yea,,,,that doesn't scream weirdo at all. Ms. South Carolina would probably fill you in on a thing or two about him as well.

That's not an opinion, that's facts. 

You are saying there was a sexual assault in his past. There was not. 

All the above does scream weirdo and all that, but it is not sexual assault.

[Stickem]

Teammates might be able to shed some light on what was actually taking place..Some players are very observant and forthright, and if anything ontoward was happening somebody surely caught wind of it...The special investigator will surely do a lot of interviewing and maybe a few players will shed more light on this unfortunate incident ...I can't imagine any player with a conscience not giving the straight facts on a serious allegation such as this.... A sound investigation should come up with the facts....Time will tell and I'm sure this will be expedited quickly

Edited March 1 by Stickem

[TBURGESS]

1 hour ago, WBBFanWest said:

Again, it is not that cut and dried, and your comparison to a player contract is just plain silly.  Apples and oranges.  But I'm not going to explain all the nuances of employer/employee law to someone who believes that he knows way more than he clearly does.  

Please go ahead and explain it. 

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The phrase "constructive dismissal" describes situations where the employer has not directly fired the employee. Rather the employer has:

• failed to comply with the contract of employment in a major respect
• unilaterally changed the terms of employment, or
• expressed a settled intention to do either thus forcing the employee to quit

Constructive dismissal is sometimes called "disguised dismissal" or "quitting with cause". This is because it often occurs in situations where the employer offers the employee the alternative of:

• leaving, or
• submitting to a unilateral and substantial alteration of a fundamental term or condition of their employment

Which of these do you think applies? 

She didn't quit with cause or fail to comply with a contract. The company didn't change the terms of employment or force her to quit. 

If they had offered her a contract and she turned it down because of the situation, then she'd have a constructive dismissal situation, but that's not what happened. She's complaining that they didn't offer her a new contract. Why would she complain if the situation made her work environment untenable anyway? If they offered and she accepted, then she'd be accepting Kelly's behavior. 

[17to85]

2 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

She's complaining that they didn't offer her a new contract. Why would she complain if the situation made her work environment untenable anyway

Are you serious? 

She's filing this because she feels like unacceptable behavior was swept under the rug and they just rid of her instead of addressing her concerns.

[TBURGESS]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Are you serious? 

She's filing this because she feels like unacceptable behavior was swept under the rug and they just rid of her instead of addressing her concerns.

You've talked to her so you know what she's feeling? 

Note todays article: https://3downnation.com/2024/03/01/toronto-argos-qb-chad-kelly-denies-harassment-allegations-seeks-dismissal/

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According to a report from TSN’s Rick Westhead, a former strength and conditioning coach is suing the Argos for alleged wrongful dismissal and Kelly for alleged harassment during the 2022 and 2023 seasons.

The plaintiff is seeking $295,603 from the Argonauts and $50,000 from Kelly. She claims the Argos breached the CFL’s violence against women policy by not submitting a critical incident report to the league’s head office.

She's claiming harassment for 2 seasons. I guess the 2022 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit & the 2023 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit. (Possible Constructive Dismissals) Not getting a 2024 contract offer makes the 2022 and 2023 seasons harassment bad enough to sue. The numbers have changed since the first report and they added the claim of breaching the CFL's violence against women policy. She now wants $345K for not offering a $25K contract. 

[17to85]

People put up with a lot of **** at work hoping it will get better....

[ShyGuy]

1 minute ago, TBURGESS said:

She's claiming harassment for 2 seasons. I guess the 2022 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit & the 2023 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit. (Possible Constructive Dismissals) Not getting a 2024 contract offer makes the 2022 and 2023 seasons harassment bad enough to sue. The numbers have changed since the first report and they added the claim of breaching the CFL's violence against women policy. She now wants $345K for not offering a $25K contract. 

This is a rough, rough take. I guess she should have just quit her job 2 years ago because boys will be boys and she wouldnt be in this predicament. 

I've seen this constantly in management. Kick the can down the road because you are sure the woman is going to tough it out because she doesn't want to be seen as weak or just hope she eventually quits on her own and the problem goes away. There is no doubt in my mind had they extended her contract and changed her role subtlety to minimize her contact with Kelly she would have stuck through with it for 2024 as well, and if this same thing happened in that off season it would be "well why was it so bad now and not in 2022, or 2023, or 2024". This is a tale as old as time and has been happening in pretty much every male dominated industry and then people cry out "why isn't there more diversity in our workplace, why is there so few female applicants or why do they never last" and it's like no **** why.

I've fired Software Developers before because they couldn't keep their comments about female co-workers to themselves and the workplace was better off for it.

[SpeedFlex27]

10 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

People put up with a lot of **** at work hoping it will get better....

Yes, you got that right.

[Noeller]

11 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

I've fired Software Developers before because they couldn't keep their comments about female co-workers to themselves and the workplace was better off for it.

love this... this is a workplace I want to be a part of. 

[bearpants]

5 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

For one possible answer, see the general (but not universal)  difference in reaction to Andrew Harris’ failed drug test and the justification that it was a tainted sample/useless old school steroid no one would take/so minimal in reading it was effectively useless and the corresponding response to Leonard’s test refusal (and therefore unknown what if anything he was on) in Saskatchewan and all the PED Leonard comments. 

Personally.. I always thought No Pee Leonard was a better nickname... but the other one seemed to stick for some reason

[TBURGESS]

28 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

This is a rough, rough take. I guess she should have just quit her job 2 years ago because boys will be boys and she wouldnt be in this predicament. 

I've seen this constantly in management. Kick the can down the road because you are sure the woman is going to tough it out because she doesn't want to be seen as weak or just hope she eventually quits on her own and the problem goes away. There is no doubt in my mind had they extended her contract and changed her role subtlety to minimize her contact with Kelly she would have stuck through with it for 2024 as well, and if this same thing happened in that off season it would be "well why was it so bad now and not in 2022, or 2023, or 2024". This is a tale as old as time and has been happening in pretty much every male dominated industry and then people cry out "why isn't there more diversity in our workplace, why is there so few female applicants or why do they never last" and it's like no **** why.

I've fired Software Developers before because they couldn't keep their comments about female co-workers to themselves and the workplace was better off for it.

I didn't say boys will be boys, nor do I think it. 

I'm saying it's hard to bring a lawsuit when you've put up with the same behavior for 2 years & when you'd sign up to keep taking the same behavior again. That makes the whole suit about not being offered another contract, instead of what it should be about... workplace harassment. 

A truly horrible take is the behavior is OK as long as I get paid. 

[Bigblue204]

52 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

You've talked to her so you know what she's feeling? 

Note todays article: https://3downnation.com/2024/03/01/toronto-argos-qb-chad-kelly-denies-harassment-allegations-seeks-dismissal/

She's claiming harassment for 2 seasons. I guess the 2022 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit & the 2023 harassment wasn't enough to make her quit. (Possible Constructive Dismissals) Not getting a 2024 contract offer makes the 2022 and 2023 seasons harassment bad enough to sue. The numbers have changed since the first report and they added the claim of breaching the CFL's violence against women policy. She now wants $345K for not offering a $25K contract. 

"Why didn't you leave him earlier if it was so bad" 

I've never been harassed at work. But I have work real shitty jobs that I absolutely hated, like to the core of my soul hated. Bordering on walking out the door as soon as I walked in it hated. But I stayed. You know why? Because I needed a ******* paycheck.

That take is 100% *******.

Edited March 1 by Bigblue204

[Super Duper Negatron]

10 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

I didn't say boys will be boys, nor do I think it. 

I'm saying it's hard to bring a lawsuit when you've put up with the same behavior for 2 years & when you'd sign up to keep taking the same behavior again. That makes the whole suit about not being offered another contract, instead of what it should be about... workplace harassment. 

A truly horrible take is the behavior is OK as long as I get paid. 

What the actual...???

[wbbfan]

16 hours ago, Brandon said:

It couldn't of been as bad as Jason Boltus bobbling the ball and fumbling it and cowering.    

The string of bad QB's we had after Bishop up until Willy/Nichols was the darkest days from my time watching the Blue.  

The Martin etc era was much shorter the post bishop era had soo many bad QBs it’s hard to compare. 

[TBURGESS]

5 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

"Why didn't you leave him earlier if it was so bad" 

I've never been harassed at work. But I have work real shitty jobs that I absolutely hated, like to the core of my soul hated. Bordering on walking out the door as soon as I walked in it hated. But I stayed. You know why? Because I needed a ******* paycheck.

That take is 100% *******.

A job you hate isn't the same as being harassed at your job. If you want to say the reason you left is harassment, you have to actually leave. Claiming it after they don't offer you another contract weakens your case significantly.

[ShyGuy]

[WBBFanWest]

1 hour ago, TBURGESS said:

Please go ahead and explain it. 

Which of these do you think applies? 

She didn't quit with cause or fail to comply with a contract. The company didn't change the terms of employment or force her to quit. 

If they had offered her a contract and she turned it down because of the situation, then she'd have a constructive dismissal situation, but that's not what happened. She's complaining that they didn't offer her a new contract. Why would she complain if the situation made her work environment untenable anyway? If they offered and she accepted, then she'd be accepting Kelly's behavior. 

Nope.  I had to learn, feel free to do the same and that's not just googling "constructive dismissal" and posting the first definition you find.

[HardCoreBlue]

18 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

A job you hate isn't the same as being harassed at your job. If you want to say the reason you left is harassment, you have to actually leave. Claiming it after they don't offer you another contract weakens your case significantly.

Not that simple in all cases. Some people (whether others think it's a legitimate reason or not) are financially dependent on that job which puts them in them in a very stressful situation in what to do moving forward.

[Booch]

4 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Well case closed then.

WONDER why he didn't include a comment saying...yes I know I have done similar in the past...even worse...but this time I being honest...wasnt me ....haha

[Mark H.]

What exactly is there to be gained from roasting Kelly on here? Trotting out harassment stats? It's not our problem to solve. And even if it were, we sure as cuss would not be doing it here. 

[WBBFanWest]

6 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

What exactly is there to be gained from roasting Kelly on here? Trotting out harassment stats? It's not our problem to solve. And even if it were, we sure as cuss would not be doing it here. 

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[Mike]

5 hours ago, GCn20 said:

That's your opinion. Committing a felony trespass, then cozying up next to a sleeping woman and child, then uttering threats at her and her room mate on the way out....yea,,,,that doesn't scream weirdo at all. Ms. South Carolina would probably fill you in on a thing or two about him as well.

Except that’s not really what happened.

Let’s just take the names and legal terms out of the story.

”Man wearing Toy Story costume drunkenly wanders into unlocked home, sits down on couch, mumbles at woman nursing her young child, gets confronted by father and is chased off the property”

What part of that screams sex pest to you?

Not to mention the part where they sued him and none of what they were asking for was due to any psychological trauma of any kind. Even the victims of this crime aren’t accusing him of what you are. Is he a complete idiot? Hell yeah. Was this a sexual crime in any way whatsoever? Absolutely not.

[SpeedFlex27]

17 minutes ago, Mike said:

Except that’s not really what happened.

Let’s just take the names and legal terms out of the story.

”Man wearing Toy Story costume drunkenly wanders into unlocked home, sits down on couch, mumbles at woman nursing her young child, gets confronted by father and is chased off the property”

What part of that screams sex pest to you?

Not to mention the part where they sued him and none of what they were asking for was due to any psychological trauma of any kind. Even the victims of this crime aren’t accusing him of what you are. Is he a complete idiot? Hell yeah. Was this a sexual crime in any way whatsoever? Absolutely not.

Is this an actual story or an analogy?

[Bigblue204]

9 hours ago, Mike said:

I wonder how we’d be reacting to this news if it were about Dalton Schoen 

He'd be innocent. I took a picture with him once and he was cool around my kid. True story. He wouldn't do bad.

[Mike]

56 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Is this an actual story or an analogy?

That’s THE story that GCn20 is using to refer to Chad Kelly as a sexual predator.

He got charged with trespassing (the house was unlocked) and wandered drunkenly into someone’s home, was comfortable enough to sit next to them on the couch and start mumbling to them while dressed as Woody from Toy Story (aka he was probably so smashed he thought he was at the right house and thought he was talking to someone he knew) and then got confrontational with the husband when he chased him off with either a bat or a pipe, I forget (because he’s a moron and he probably couldn’t understand why anyone had a problem with the mixup)

Idiot? Absolutely. Sexual predator? Based off that story? Reach.