BigBlue Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 (edited) Why Jeopardize Our Most Important Assets ? When a team loses its starting quarterback, home team walk-up traffic and television ratings are crushed; the weaknesses of the league are exposed. TSN loses a bit of money and a lot of interest; fans call us a bush league and public interest wanes. The most money spent by any team ALWAYS is on its most valuable asset, so what is the league’s brain trust thinking? Are they trying to please the players Association? Are they hoping to hit highlight reels of an athlete being destroyed? Are we trying to claim that our 100+ year history and heritage mandates we need to show grit? Our referees need to be instructed to protect our quarterbacks at all costs! EXPLICITY and in detail. Just a feather of too much force brings out the flag. Forget about referee’s discretion. Make it costly for them to miss a roughing call. Put the whole league on a mission to keep our starting quarterbacks upright. Go overboard making “roughing the passer” punitive. “When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.” (NFL Policy) Our game will change, if we want it to. It’s a simple matter of will. There is no doubt what the but the NFL has done. We need to more than a match their actions. We have more at stake. THE CFL HAS TO ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT EXCEPTION ENFORCE THE QB PROTECTION RULES. REFEREES NEED TO BE FORCED TO COMPLY. What is the “hug rule”? “A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation… When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.” One more thing: “A player who initiates contact against a passer is responsible for avoiding an illegal act… pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in passing situations”. In other words, the onus must be on the defensive player to have the awareness required to avoid fouling the quarterback. So if the defensive pass rusher pulls up and “hugs the quarterback” instead of throwing him into the ground, there is no penalty; but following through yields a 25 yard penalty, a game misconduct and an automatic one-game suspension. Multiple infractions will carry even more harsh retribution. Real change will happen rapidly. For everyone’s information, here is a fairly comprehensive set of the NFL’s roughing the passer rules: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/roughing-the-passer/ ROUGHING THE PASSER Because the act of passing often puts the quarterback (or any other player attempting a pass) in a position where he is particularly vulnerable to injury, special rules against roughing the passer apply. The Referee has principal responsibility for enforcing these rules. Any physical acts against a player who is in a passing posture (i.e. before, during, or after a pass) which, in the Referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls. The Referee will be guided by the following principles: Roughing will be called if, in the Referee’s judgment, a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already left the passer’s hand before contact was made; pass rushers are responsible for being aware of the position of the ball in passing situations; the Referee will use the release of the ball from the passer’s hand as his guideline that the passer is now fully protected; once a pass has been released by a passer, a rushing defender may make direct contact with the passer only up through the rusher’s first step after such release (prior to second step hitting the ground); thereafter the rusher must be making an attempt to avoid contact and must not continue to “drive through” or otherwise forcibly contact the passer; incidental or inadvertent contact by a player who is easing up or being blocked into the passer will not be considered significant. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight. In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects). A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture—for example, (1) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him; or (2) lowering the head and making forcible contact with any part of the helmet against any part of the passer’s body. This rule does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or non-crown parts of the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on a passer. A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him. Notes A defender cannot initiate a roll or lunge and forcibly hit the passer in the knee area or below, even if he is being contacted by another player. It is not a foul if the defender swipes or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him, provided he does not make forcible contact with the helmet, shoulder, chest, or forearm. A passer who is standing still or fading backward after the ball has left his hand is obviously out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by an opponent through the end of the down or until the passer becomes a blocker, or a runner, or, in the event of a change of possession during the down, until he assumes a distinctly defensive position. However, at any time after the change of possession, it is a foul if: an opponent forcibly hits the quarterback’s head or neck area with his helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder if an opponent lowers his head and makes forcible contact with any part of his helmet against any part of the passer’s body. This provision does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional block. When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers. The Referee must blow the play dead as soon as the passer is clearly in the grasp and control of any tackler behind the line, and the passer’s safety is in jeopardy. Note: A player who initiates contact against a passer is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a passer, irrespective of any acts by the passer, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact. Penalty: For Roughing the Passer: Loss of 15 yards and an automatic first down; disqualification if flagrant. Notes When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer. See 8-6-1-c–d for personal fouls prior to completion or interception. Edited January 17 by BigBlue Tracker 1
17to85 Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 Wall of text for a bad take? I dunno, TL:DR. B140, Noeller and Bigblue204 1 2
BigBlue Posted January 17 Author Report Posted January 17 Vital to our league in the long term and short term progress.
Mike Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 Are you a robot Noeller, HardCoreBlue and Piggy 1 2 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 15 minutes ago, Mike said: Are you a robot Are you sure? HardCoreBlue, Tracker and Noeller 1 2
Noeller Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 This is the worst thread in many many months... coach17 1
BigBlue Posted January 18 Author Report Posted January 18 protecting our QBs is an awful thing ... worst ever thought?
JohnnyAbonny Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Protect the QBs from having to read all that. MOBomberFan, Noeller, HardCoreBlue and 2 others 1 4
Jesse Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 On 2024-01-17 at 7:07 PM, BigBlue said: protecting our QBs is an awful thing ... worst ever thought? They still need to be football players or we just need to scrap the whole thing and play flag football. JohnnyAbonny 1
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 On 2024-01-17 at 6:07 PM, BigBlue said: protecting our QBs. Why couldn't you have just said that instead of writing a novel like a Faculty of Law textbook?
JohnnyAbonny Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 54 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Why couldn't you have just said that instead of writing a novel like a Faculty of Law textbook? Guy writes a Stephen King novel to say bring back “in the grasp” SpeedFlex27 and Noeller 1 1
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said: Guy writes a Stephen King novel to say bring back “in the grasp” TBF, the post was better than The Tommyknockers Noeller and JohnnyAbonny 2
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