wbbfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 41 minutes ago, JCon said: I'm not certain Biggie was a top 10 LB last year in a 9 team league. He wasn't that bad, but he wouldn't have made the argos PR either. 16 minutes ago, GCn20 said: If Biggie is off the books long term he most certainly does have the cap space. Yes, that pesky all star award was a mirage. Even though it wasn't his best ever season or anything, the guy is easily still in the top half of the league as a MLBer. EASILY. Don't believe that...fine...but the guys he plays against think enough of him to name him the CFLPA all star. That may have been somewhat a reputation accolade but I am 100% certain they didn't vote a guy outside the top 10 as their choice of all star. Allstar awards and year end awards are mostly politics, reputation, and team success. Does any one want to rank the top 5 lbers in the league and make a case for biggie being better than any guys in particular? I don't think half the league would start biggie over their guys. I also don't think biggie was even close to half as good as the elite level of MLBer play in the cfl the last two years, when at his healthiest. Hes still solid, and we do some stuff in our system to make the most of his range, and when he's not in cover he frankly doesn't have to do much. He eats a block other wise. He isn't 1/10th the player he was in his prime, which is to be expected of a lber who will turn 36 this year. I mean how many games has he played? 200? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 1 minute ago, Pete said: It was Kramdl's turn yesterday, today Bighill. You'd think our defense was the worst in the league ly, oh wait no one gave up less points than us Hard to do if your lbs arent performing Eventually, everyone falls off. Is Bighill a top 5 (or 10) LBer in this league? Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 4 minutes ago, Pete said: It was Kramdl's turn yesterday, today Bighill. You'd think our defense was the worst in the league ly, oh wait no one gave up less points than us Hard to do if your lbs arent performing It isn't hard to do if your Lbers aren't preforming. Lbers have the smallest impact on defensive performance in the CFL. It's a passing league with a huge field. The best defensive weapon is rushing the passer. The next best is coverage. Lbers plug up lanes, scrape to the ball and close gaps. Defensive points allowed is also dependent on a lot of factors. The biggest two are offensive TOP and offensive points scored. The more points you score, the earlier the game goes into cruise control. When the O scores a major on the first 4 possessions constantly the defense gets a much easier job to do. IF you think the attitude towards biggie is new, you must've missed the grey cup. The biggest reasons he struggled last year were health (now hes still hurt or hurt again) and role/lack of a nose (hes looking at the same role and probably not a nose tackle again.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Maybe we can pull Sam Hurl out of retirement wbbfan and Colin Unger 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 There have been a few that have pointed out Biggie's decreasing impact and high salary for a couple of years. It wasn't bad when he took a discount. I just want to see competition at TC. If Biggie wins the job, then good on him. I just think it's time for succession planning. TBURGESS, rebusrankin, wbbfan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Sorry, i dont buy the argument that lbs aren't key parts of defense. (Especially in our defense where lbs are critical parts of qb pressures) The criticism of Bighill performance isn't new, but not sure its warranted. I agree the concern on health is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 5 minutes ago, Atomic said: Maybe we can pull Sam Hurl out of retirement Naw, MLB is an import position, so Ejiro Kuale is next man up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Zanetti Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 9 minutes ago, JCon said: There have been a few that have pointed out Biggie's decreasing impact and high salary for a couple of years. It wasn't bad when he took a discount. I just want to see competition at TC. If Biggie wins the job, then good on him. I just think it's time for succession planning. Its been time going on two years now. Thats the most frustrating thing. JCon, wbbfan and rebusrankin 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 28 minutes ago, johnzo said: Naw, MLB is an import position, so Ejiro Kuale is next man up. Begin the thawing of Barrin Simpson! johnzo, Jesse, Bubba Zanetti and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 30 minutes ago, Pete said: Sorry, i dont buy the argument that lbs aren't key parts of defense. (Especially in our defense where lbs are critical parts of qb pressures) The criticism of Bighill performance isn't new, but not sure its warranted. I agree the concern on health is. They arent. Biggie eating a block doesn't generate pressure, little on being critical to it. We've used nose tackles, twists, cheetah fronts and db blitzes to far greater result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Bighill is an absolute legend and was a huge part of this teams ascension.... but when 100% healthy he is just good enough. If he is at all dinged (which he seems to have been for the last couple seasons) he isn't able to play at the necessary level. Father time is undefeated. rebusrankin, Atomic, Tracker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 12 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Bighill is an absolute legend and was a huge part of this teams ascension.... but when 100% healthy he is just good enough. If he is at all dinged (which he seems to have been for the last couple seasons) he isn't able to play at the necessary level. Father time is undefeated. GCJenks and bearpants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Jesse and wbbfan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 28 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Bighill is an absolute legend and was a huge part of this teams ascension.... but when 100% healthy he is just good enough. If he is at all dinged (which he seems to have been for the last couple seasons) he isn't able to play at the necessary level. Father time is undefeated. Nailed it. And his career is top 5 ish all time. Maybe the best lber skill set ever up here Tracker, Bigblue204 and rebusrankin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 (edited) Father Time is undefeated and it’s looking like Biggies best days are now well behind him. Happens to all of them. Personally I’ve seen this coming the last 2 years now so if it was me and I’m a cold hearted prick who just wants to win, I’d have released him already. This right here is an example of a difficult decision our coaches need to make. But reality is it shouldn’t be that difficult of a decision to make. 36? It’s time. Biggie won’t take himself out, the coaches need to. They didn’t do it in the biggest game of the year tho last year so the loyalty might cost us again. Edited May 16 by Goalie rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatty Liver Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 26 minutes ago, Noeller said: Must be a hangover from the late season injury he suffered last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 I get that many here don't feel Biggie is as good as he used to be, and that is completely true. However, he is not nearly as bad as people here are suggesting. Is it time that we look for an alternative? Probably, because he will likely continue to decline. However, suggesting he couldn't make another team's PR or isn't a top10 MLB in this league is nonsense. The guy is now just an average MLB. He is neither an asset nor a liability. He has gone from MOP to average. Average isn't terrible though. rebusrankin, Tracker and Brandon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 3 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I get that many here don't feel Biggie is as good as he used to be, and that is completely true. However, he is not nearly as bad as people here are suggesting. Is it time that we look for an alternative? Probably, because he will likely continue to decline. However, suggesting he couldn't make another team's PR or isn't a top10 MLB in this league is nonsense. The guy is now just an average MLB. He is neither an asset nor a liability. He has gone from MOP to average. Average isn't terrible though. He couldn’t make the argos pr the last two years. They’ve been stacked at lber rotating guys who are hands down better. good is the enemy of great. League isn’t lacking for mlbers either. JohnnyAbonny, Bubba Zanetti and bigg jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 Bighill is far from being a complete write off. He's gone from a A+ player down to a B / B+ which is still really good. People need to stop looking for a player to crap on just for the sakes of having to complain. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 23 minutes ago, Goalie said: Father Time is undefeated and it’s looking like Biggies best days are now well behind him. Happens to all of them. Personally I’ve seen this coming the last 2 years now so if it was me and I’m a cold hearted prick who just wants to win, I’d have released him already. This right here is an example of a difficult decision our coaches need to make. But reality is it shouldn’t be that difficult of a decision to make. 36? It’s time. Biggie won’t take himself out, the coaches need to. They didn’t do it in the biggest game of the year tho last year so the loyalty might cost us again. Cal Murphy..Bouno...Matthews...all would have... 5 minutes ago, GCn20 said: I get that many here don't feel Biggie is as good as he used to be, and that is completely true. However, he is not nearly as bad as people here are suggesting. Is it time that we look for an alternative? Probably, because he will likely continue to decline. However, suggesting he couldn't make another team's PR or isn't a top10 MLB in this league is nonsense. The guy is now just an average MLB. He is neither an asset nor a liability. He has gone from MOP to average. Average isn't terrible though. he needs to be the DI now...limited reps...special packages...A+ in game replacement.....not a 80%+ of the reps guy anymore tho Just now, Brandon said: Bighill is far from being a complete write off. He's gone from a A+ player down to a B / B+ which is still really good. People need to stop looking for a player to crap on just for the sakes of having to complain. role guy yup.....injuries at tis age happen more frequently...and take longer to recover from...if you even can get back to 100%...he also has slowed down in his agility capabilities....no shot against him....it just happens....but him on the roster in a diminished role makes us better, and deep....hopefully the brains in the organization see that rebusrankin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Negatron Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 No discussion or concern about Parker seemingly being made of glass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Brandon said: Bighill is far from being a complete write off. He's gone from a A+ player down to a B / B+ which is still really good. People need to stop looking for a player to crap on just for the sakes of having to complain. Edited May 16 by kelownabomberfan rebusrankin, Bigblue204 and Tracker 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Negatron Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 14 minutes ago, Brandon said: Bighill is far from being a complete write off. He's gone from a A+ player down to a B / B+ which is still really good. People need to stop looking for a player to crap on just for the sakes of having to complain. If we have an A+ player in his spot we probably win the last Grey Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 (edited) He’s 36 ffs. If there’s one guy that prob should be replaced it’s bighill. Bryant prob shortly also. It’s not crapping on a guy because his best days are behind him. It’s fact. Coaches are here to make the tough decisions when the players refuse to. Bighill shouldn’t have played the cup game last year and if this year is starting like this it’s time to let him go. Loyalty doesn’t win championships. Playing guys who are hurt don’t win championships. This isn’t kids under 10 soccer where everyone gets a turn. It’s the pros. Bighill is a liability at his age now. Edited May 16 by Goalie Bubba Zanetti, TBURGESS and rebusrankin 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Zanetti Posted May 16 Report Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said: No discussion or concern about Parker seemingly being made of glass? 🖐️ Super Duper Negatron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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