Blue Bombers - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[wbbfan]

25 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:

It's one week they have not lost back-to-back games since week 17 in 2019. 

When was the last time we lost a season / home opener? Also 19. But that was an insane weather game with a true rookie qb starting. 

1 hour ago, Booch said:

who weree the multiple amaerican Backs? One got puntd quickly...and was punted from the Redblacks as well...and one showed well...then he cut due to injury....why not keep the other one...whoever that was just in case...poor planning....plus released the other Canadian in case you ran into injury issues and had to start JA and needed a backup on roster if you didnt flip the ratio spot ton an import

 

100 percent...as we trot out the same ol same ol comfy sweater players of our coach....sad

Only 1 got any touches in the pre season. We roster managed our way into a KR nightmare, and possibly a RB nightmare. In reality, I expect brady to play sub 100% rather than any of the pretty bad alternatives. 

 

1 hour ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

The real **** up with the backs was cutting Rosery.  We could manage with him and Augustine.

Guarantee if we flip to an American back (who isn't a DI) that we will have a Canadian DL on the field every single snap.

They should be flying Rosery back here right now. I get and love the upside of MCI, but he doesn't have a chance to be playable right now and rosery does a lot well. 

4 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah preseason was a giant waste of time.  You gave reps to dozens of players you already knew weren't going to be on the day 1 roster. Why? Let your team play together if there's that fee spots up for grabs.

I actually thought they might cut Augustine and use rosery as the back up. Guess that was just silly thinking.

That would only happen if we prioritized on field production over soft skills. Should've, but wasn't going to. Honestly I would've put mci on the pr, kept augustine and rostered rosery as a back up wr as well, then maybe dropped augustine. Brady hasn't been healthy all camp and we cut the imps. Should be air lifting in imp rbs right now. 

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Yeah in reality it’s not like we had 25 spots up for grabs. 

In reality, 1 dt, 1 db spot, 1 wr spot, 1 kr spot. They didn't have a competition for loftons spot, and dobson was penned in as the guard. Same with Habba. 

[WinnipegGordo]

Wheatfall just made a great diving catch for a TD at practice. He looks to be Lawler's replacement in the lineup.

[WinnipegGordo]

Looks like Feltmate will be in the lineup on Thursday as he getting work on special teams. It's my guess that Jones doesnt play as he's on scout teams.

[wbbfan]

2 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Looks like Feltmate will be in the lineup on Thursday as he getting work on special teams. It's my guess that Jones doesnt play as he's on scout teams.

I think Feltmate is slide in 100% for MCI. Jones, will come down to if they like him more than ayers on cover teams, if biggie is still out. If biggie returns I expect to see a pretty decent shake up of the roster depth. I do think we are more likely to carry an extra imp LB, especially a plug and play kick cover guy, than the db in bridges who was behind karamoko in terms of snaps. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

The worst players on the field were Mitchell and Ford by a long shot.

Collaros does have to carry the team though.  Guy like Demski makes an unforgivable and fatal mistake too.

That fumble by Demski was exasperating to watch. He had made a nice catch and had turned upfield. The first down had been secured but unfortunatel, Demski, who was in traffic, did not secure the ball. Sure fight for those extra yards but put two arms/hands on the ball and bear down. He's a straight line sort of guy anyway.

[Super Duper Negatron]

The only, and I mean only, thing I like about the Jets better than the Bombers is I don't have to stew an entire week between games.

[Bubba Zanetti]

6 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

That fumble by Demski was exasperating to watch. He had made a nice catch and had turned upfield. The first down had been secured but unfortunatel, Demski, who was in traffic, did not secure the ball. Sure fight for those extra yards but put two arms/hands on the ball and bear down. He's a straight line sort of guy anyway.

.Yeah you could really see that fumble coming. For a guy that is very familiar running with the ball, he really doesnt "feel" the heat/players approaching very well.

[WinnipegGordo]

8 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

I think Feltmate is slide in 100% for MCI. Jones, will come down to if they like him more than ayers on cover teams, if biggie is still out. If biggie returns I expect to see a pretty decent shake up of the roster depth. I do think we are more likely to carry an extra imp LB, especially a plug and play kick cover guy, than the db in bridges who was behind karamoko in terms of snaps. 

Biggie is getting starter reps. I expect him to play. 

Karamoko does get a lot of reps in different packages.

Only way Gauthier is listed as a started is if O'Shea is trolling.

[wbbfan]

14 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

The only, and I mean only, thing I like about the Jets better than the Bombers is I don't have to stew an entire week between games.

Same here, mainly because i don't care in the least if the jets lose lol.

1 minute ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Biggie is getting starter reps. I expect him to play. 

Karamoko does get a lot of reps in different packages.

Only way Gauthier is listed as a started is if O'Shea is trolling.

Yeah, and he may have been more ready earlier but we needed the roster flexibility to keep 96 guys around till the last minute. Idk, but I'm not guessing on guys being IR/AR any more lol. Never know. 

He does, they used him a lot more like a dime, a back up wil, real package. I wish we were starting 1 canadian and using the other in that role tbh. I am glad karamoko is on the roster though, he's talented and deserves to be here. 

IF mos came out one day and said he trolled with rosters I wouldn't be surprised. He clearly does not treat the roster like its a primary driver to success. He's fully bought into his own claims that the next guy is just as good and will step up given snaps. 

[Fatty Liver]

2 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Biggie is getting starter reps. I expect him to play. 

Karamoko does get a lot of reps in different packages.

Only way Gauthier is listed as a started is if O'Shea is trolling.

What position is Karamoko playing and why?  Still don't understand the rules around Globals or what prompts them to pull someone else out and put him on the feld.  Not saying he isn't a good athlete, but it isn't clear exactly what he's good at.

[JohnnyAbonny]

3 hours ago, Mike said:

I’m not giving up on these guys like Mitchell as options at KR.

let’s be fair about it, we just spent the whole week saying the team looked unprepared and like they were not ready to play. Mitchell is the exception, he just stinks? 
 

That’s a thoughtful take. I’m willing to be patient. 
I was shitting on Mitchell. That was premature and immature. 

[blue85gold]

11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

What position is Karamoko playing and why?  Still don't understand the rules around Globals or what prompts them to pull someone else out and put him on the feld.  Not saying he isn't a good athlete, but it isn't clear exactly what he's good at.

Agree. Not clear why he is getting defensive reps at all. 

[WinnipegGordo]

13 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

What position is Karamoko playing and why?  Still don't understand the rules around Globals or what prompts them to pull someone else out and put him on the feld.  Not saying he isn't a good athlete, but it isn't clear exactly what he's good at.

 

14 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

What position is Karamoko playing and why?  Still don't understand the rules around Globals or what prompts them to pull someone else out and put him on the feld.  Not saying he isn't a good athlete, but it isn't clear exactly what he's good at.

He's linebacker/DB.

Its easy to get him on the roster as the 45th player can be either Global or Canadian.

To get on the field is tougher. He needs to replace an American unless the team is starting an extra Canadian on defence. 

[Booch]

20 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

 

He's linebacker/DB.

Its easy to get him on the roster as the 45th player can be either Global or Canadian.

To get on the field is tougher. He needs to replace an American unless the team is starting an extra Canadian on defence. 

Global can replace an injured Canadian...

[3rdand1.5]

Is Ford still with the starting D in practice?

You could tell Brady was not right, hope he is either far closer to 100% than he was last game or we give him the time to heal he needs-any rate is Augustine taking all 1st teems reps?

Is 0 still taking all KR/PR in practice?

Nice to have Biggie back...but he better not be Biggie from GC version of nowhere near healthy enough to play?

Is Demski practicing, he also looks injured right from the beginning to my eye test? 

 

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 hours ago, Mike said:

I’m not giving up on these guys like Mitchell as options at KR.

let’s be fair about it, we just spent the whole week saying the team looked unprepared and like they were not ready to play. Mitchell is the exception, he just stinks? 
 

I'd be in the same boat if the guy wasn't fumble ******* the ball all over the field on O in both preseason games, dropping passes.

Seems like an issue for him in general.

29 minutes ago, Booch said:

Global can replace an injured Canadian...

Designated Americans can too.  Another reason why it's nuts to not just designate someone even if you're not going to fully utilize the rule.

[BBlink]

2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I'd be in the same boat if the guy wasn't fumble ******* the ball all over the field on O in both preseason games, dropping passes.

Seems like an issue for him in general.

What is getting bleeped out here. 😂

Yeah I'm not sure about Myron Mitchell as a returner. The fumble was awful. Besides that he looked unspectacular. Seems to follow his blocks well enough.

[WinnipegGordo]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Is Ford still with the starting D in practice?

You could tell Brady was not right, hope he is either far closer to 100% than he was last game or we give him the time to heal he needs-any rate is Augustine taking all 1st teems reps?

Is 0 still taking all KR/PR in practice?

Nice to have Biggie back...but he better not be Biggie from GC version of nowhere near healthy enough to play?

Is Demski practicing, he also looks injured right from the beginning to my eye test? 

 

Ford is still starting.

Augistine was getting all 1st team reps but MCI was getting some work at runningback today as well.

Mitchell is still the main returner but Bonds does get some reps.

Demski was a full participant.

[Fatty Liver]

46 minutes ago, WinnipegGordo said:

 

He's linebacker/DB.

Its easy to get him on the roster as the 45th player can be either Global or Canadian.

To get on the field is tougher. He needs to replace an American unless the team is starting an extra Canadian on defence. 

Who was he rotating in for the first game, Wilson, Kramdi or a HB?  With Cole also competing for the same reps. it doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Booch]

7 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I'd be in the same boat if the guy wasn't fumble ******* the ball all over the field on O in both preseason games, dropping passes.

Seems like an issue for him in general.

Designated Americans can too.  Another reason why it's nuts to not just designate someone even if you're not going to fully utilize the rule.

yup...Osh being Osh....shamefull

 

1 minute ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Ford is still starting.

Augistine was getting all 1st team reps but MCI was getting some work at runningback today as well.

Mitchell is still the main returner but Bonds does get some reps.

Demski was a full participant.

people were overly harsh on Ford...he gonna be fine.....MCI as well....he's a rookie and needs to learn a few things....but the physical skills and talents he has....you don't just find that anywhere...he as well will be fine....gotta let guys grow into things, as opposed to hanging on to guys too long...growing out of things so to speak and just keeping yourself behind in the development and transition...hence why we are where qe are in a few spots noe

[3rdand1.5]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

yup...Osh being Osh....shamefull

 

people were overly harsh on Ford...he gonna be fine.....MCI as well....he's a rookie and needs to learn a few things....but the physical skills and talents he has....you don't just find that anywhere...he as well will be fine....gotta let guys grow into things, as opposed to hanging on to guys too long...growing out of things so to speak and just keeping yourself behind in the development and transition...hence why we are where qe are in a few spots noe

I know you have been consistently high on Ford, but I was not impressed with him so far. I hope your optimism of him turns out to be much more accurate than my skepticism of him.

[17to85]

Ford will be ok. Yeah he got caught looking but he also showed some good ability on a few breakups. Learning curves. Not that I am suggesting he is the same at all, but after game 1 tsn was yucking it up about Alford getting roasted for a couple tds.

[Mike]

I really just wished they didn’t treat the 45 man roster and the practice roster as if they are two separate entities.

The gameday depth chart should not be our week to week depth chart. We should not be using JA as anything beyond a gameday backup to Brady, if Brady can’t go one week then there should be a player on the practice roster ready to fill that role as a starter. Same with Gauthier, Ford, etc. I swear if Jake Thomas got hurt, we’d be starting Kyle Samson the next week.

This is not the way the team should be operating. Our practice roster use continues to be so frustrating, we should be employing players who can develop their skills so that when they are called to play, there’s a shot you may have an immediate impact player not just some ham and egger who can do enough to get by.

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

That’s a thoughtful take. I’m willing to be patient. 
I was shitting on Mitchell. That was premature and immature. 

He makes a good point for sure.  I think Mitchell has earned some ire, but by no means should be at the end of his leash. He can atleast catch punts which is an upgrade over some of the guys we ran out previously when grant was hurt. Which is a big reason why we need to airlift in a KR or two, if mitchell gets hurt it's gonna get soo much worse real fast. 

4 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Who was he rotating in for the first game, Wilson, Kramdi or a HB?  With Cole also competing for the same reps. it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Gauthier barely played on D. Kyrie played the vast majority of the Mac reps. 

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

yup...Osh being Osh....shamefull

 

people were overly harsh on Ford...he gonna be fine.....MCI as well....he's a rookie and needs to learn a few things....but the physical skills and talents he has....you don't just find that anywhere...he as well will be fine....gotta let guys grow into things, as opposed to hanging on to guys too long...growing out of things so to speak and just keeping yourself behind in the development and transition...hence why we are where qe are in a few spots noe

I think we are having to come to terms very quicky with the fact the team is not nearly as well coached as people believed. Mos is a culture setter in a big way. But that culture is locked in right now and maintained for better or worse by the locker room. Toronto beat us with a worse team in 22 based on significantly better coaching. Mtl, handled us twice in coaching as well. Buck is still a young OC, he's shown a lot of promise and his share of struggles. He isn't by any means ready to be a HC yet. He could really use an OC mentor imo. He's better at Plop than plop was at all his strengths. Game plan, XnOs, creativity, rolling in new looks etc. But he's still struggling where plops career has died multiple times. When the D is prepared and has a decent game plan we don't have the tactics to manufacture drives and dig our way out, building that momentum from a stalled point, and adjusting is huge. JY is super promising and I loved a lot of what I saw from the D last week, he's even younger (lol) but he has a great mentor and I wouldn't be surprised to see him pass buck in progress. 

 

The one real weakness was the struggle of that side of the D with assignments and decision making. JY will fix that, starting two canadian cover Dbs is crazy, but I think we are married to the concept for atleast a few weeks. I'm sure that Ford and that side of the D will play better vs ott. 

I think expectations are too high on MCI. Rbs are generally pretty turn key, but even brady was a work in progress. MCI was really positionless his last year in college and never the featureback kind of guy. He's an athlete with a great mindset and work ethic who is a work in progress. I don't expect much of him till next year. This is why I thought he was a none factor for us pre draft. I thought his time table, and how high he'd go would price us out. But I can't blame them for loving his tools. 

 

 

[wbbfan]

7 minutes ago, Mike said:

I really just wished they didn’t treat the 45 man roster and the practice roster as if they are two separate entities.

The gameday depth chart should not be our week to week depth chart. We should not be using JA as anything beyond a gameday backup to Brady, if Brady can’t go one week then there should be a player on the practice roster ready to fill that role as a starter. Same with Gauthier, Ford, etc. I swear if Jake Thomas got hurt, we’d be starting Kyle Samson the next week.

This is not the way the team should be operating. Our practice roster use continues to be so frustrating, we should be employing players who can develop their skills so that when they are called to play, there’s a shot you may have an immediate impact player not just some ham and egger who can do enough to get by.

agree 100%. 

What happens if augustine gets nicked up? We go with the guy who rushed barely 100 times in college who we know runs too upright and can't aim? If he comes off the roster then what? If mitchell goes down who can return punts? What if WJ goes down?

Nahh, if thomas got hurt they'd start schmekel, activate samson, and send down one of the imp DTs to the PR... lol