Blue Bombers - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[Fatty Liver]

6 hours ago, 17to85 said:

So the same **** that cost them last season. 

Mos buddy... it's oknto not have a million linebackers and it's ok to not need 7 OL and it's ok to not dress a receiver who won't take any snaps. Stop doing this on hard mode.

If you look at all those LB's you already know they form the heart of O'Shea's ST and always have, a team which he is trying to rebuild and also provide rookie STC Mike Miller all the tools he needs to do so.  Some of these LB's have no other purpose at this point but to serve Mike Miller.

[wbbfan]

49 minutes ago, captaincanuck12 said:

Perhaps we should wait another game before we start the griping of the roster management.   The "poor" roster management won us 14 games last year,  including major blowouts against BC and Sask in the Banjo Bowl.  Yes there is regression.    Losing Olivera and Lawler sucks, but injuries happen.

It's a little early to be pushing the panic button.  Just my .02

 

And lost us 2 grey cups. Is the goal to win 14 games or grey cups?

No ones pushing the panic button here, people are saying wade and or Walter’s should intervene before it gets any worse. 
 If you think this is panic mode, we better not lose this week, or the next home game. You’ll see panic mode from the average fans, and an attendance dip, and our team getting booed off the field. 
 

25 minutes ago, Booch said:

that being said...also cost us 2 cups....and it's continuing...even if only 1 game.....it's still an issue

Also cost us any hope of improving through the tc pre season process this year and last year. 

Edited June 12 by wbbfan

[17to85]

9 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

If you look at all those LB's you already know they form the heart of O'Shea's ST and always have, a team which he is trying to rebuild and also provide rookie STC Mike Miller all the tools he needs to do so.  Some of these LB's have no other purpose at this point but to serve Mike Miller.

Then why have special teams sucked last year and game 1 this year?

[wbbfan]

6 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

If you look at all those LB's you already know they form the heart of O'Shea's ST and always have, a team which he is trying to rebuild and also provide rookie STC Mike Miller all the tools he needs to do so.  Some of these LB's have no other purpose at this point but to serve Mike Miller.

Ayer’s wasn’t a heart of our sts by any means though. Woods, was a key performer in our front though. 

I know mos and maybe the whole mafia view teams as important as O and D, despite yielding piss poor teams for two years that only got worse with grant being the only bright spot, but it isn’t. 
 

Teams play, is not as important as line play. We acknowledge this by carrying two back up ol who only play heavy set and do nothing else. Not even the defensive side of heavy. They don’t rotate they don’t play unless some one is hurt. 
 But we’ll roll 6 dl, despite rotating those guys and asking them to play on every short yardage pack other than offensive goal line. 
 

Oline isn’t more important that DL. It’s harder to find and develop those especially since it’s the ratio strong hold, but defense wins ships. 

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

Then why have special teams sucked last year and game 1 this year?

Acceptable mediocrity and self importance. We do it smarter it’s ok that we are worse at it. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Ayer’s wasn’t a heart of our sts by any means though. Woods, was a key performer in our front though. 

I know mos and maybe the whole mafia view teams as important as O and D, despite yielding piss poor teams for two years that only got worse with grant being the only bright spot, but it isn’t. 
 

Teams play, is not as important as line play. We acknowledge this by carrying two back up ol who only play heavy set and do nothing else. Not even the defensive side of heavy. They don’t rotate they don’t play unless some one is hurt. 
 But we’ll roll 6 dl, despite rotating those guys and asking them to play on every short yardage pack other than offensive goal line. 
 

Oline isn’t more important that DL. It’s harder to find and develop those especially since it’s the ratio strong hold, but defense wins ships. 

Acceptable mediocrity and self importance. We do it smarter it’s ok that we are worse at it. 

“It’s the process” Except it’s not. The (16-21) successes resulted from Walters bringing in high level FA’s, not building ground-up with the same guys. 
The Jesse Briggs of the world alone get you the same results as the 14/15 teams had. 
Medlock, Dressler, Harris, Willie ect were all-stars before they got here.

Walters doesn’t get enough credit for the cups and MOS gets too much. There, I said it. 

 

[17to85]

36 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

know mos and maybe the whole mafia view teams as important as O and D, despite yielding piss poor teams for two years

The old adage is that special teams are a sign of your depth... well I'd agree. Our depth has taken a massive hit the last few years for a variety of reasons and teams have been poor. Not a coincidence in my opinion.

[Stickem]

2 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The old adage is that special teams are a sign of your depth... well I'd agree. Our depth has taken a massive hit the last few years for a variety of reasons and teams have been poor. Not a coincidence in my opinion.

And talking about special teams........Mitchell being the returner in Ottawa doesn't thrill me....I hope he at least secures the ball and doesn't give RB'S a freebee in our end and does more than usual ' go for five and flop'...It irks the hell out of me knowing there's competent returner(s) out there and we're not making an attempt to bring anyone else in ....

[wbbfan]

18 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

The old adage is that special teams are a sign of your depth... well I'd agree. Our depth has taken a massive hit the last few years for a variety of reasons and teams have been poor. Not a coincidence in my opinion.

Truth to that for sure. But even last year we had guys that have succeeded here on teams. 
 Another is that tackling is a direct result of discipline and coaching. 
 

 

47 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

“It’s the process” Except it’s not. The (16-21) successes resulted from Walters bringing in high level FA’s, not building ground-up with the same guys. 
The Jesse Briggs of the world alone get you the same results as the 14/15 teams had. 
Medlock, Dressler, Harris, Willie ect were all-stars before they got here.

Walters doesn’t get enough credit for the cups and MOS gets too much. There, I said it. 

 

Walter’s, goveia, McManus, and ringmaiden.  

[Atomic]

We could have a core 6 of nationals: Demski, Wolitarsky, Neufeld, Kolankowski, Dobson, Stanley Bryant (nationalized)

Then you use Kramdi as a starter on defence but name him a designated national, meaning he can be replaced by a nationalized American for 25 plays. Name Kyrie Wilson a Designated Nationalized American and he is able to come in for those 25 plays. When Kramdi is in, B.Cole plays WLB, but when Kramdi comes out, Cole shifts over to SLB and Wilson plays WLB.

That makes seven national starters with one being able to be replaced for 25 plays a game. So you need one more national starter. This could either be Ford at CB which allows you to start an American at RB, or you could use Augustine at RB, allowing you to start an American at corner. In either case you have four Americans starting on the DL.

The roster really could be quite a bit better without even changing who is dressed, or by adding one stud American RB (if we bothered to bring one in). We could even decide to pull out Kolankowski and start an American C if we really wanted to, without much issue.

 

[17to85]

9 minutes ago, Atomic said:

We could even decide to pull out Kolankowski and start an American C if we really wanted to, without much issue.

Or ya know... just play Eli there... 

[JuranBoldenRules]

Rosery is a great example of the lack of preparation here.  Guy who got the most reps in pre-season games at tailback.  Plays well.  Gets cut.  Chris-Ike likely will need to play some tailback tomorrow and no reps for him.

We bring in a guy who wasn't in anyone's camp to chase kicks and maybe play some fullback.  Watch him get injured tomorrow.

All these guys busted up coming out of camp....so we didn't go hard to get ready for the season, and we have a half dozen guys on the 6 game.

They really need to do some thinking on how to run an effective training camp.

I expect a loss this week.  Ottawa's season and home opener.  We are still the franchise with the target on our backs.  No one is having a let down against us.

[Atomic]

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Or ya know... just play Eli there... 

Well sure but the point is about how we could get more strong American players starting on offence and defence - we are essentially giving up 2.5 American starters by starting 9 Canadians and ignoring the Nationalized American rule. We could get Adams on the field full time, more Brian Cole, and start an American RB just by using the rules available to us. And there's no downside!

[Mike]

3 minutes ago, Atomic said:

Well sure but the point is about how we could get more strong American players starting on offence and defence - we are essentially giving up 2.5 American starters by starting 9 Canadians and ignoring the Nationalized American rule. We could get Adams on the field full time, more Brian Cole, and start an American RB just by using the rules available to us. And there's no downside!

Nailed it 

[wbbfan]

5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Rosery is a great example of the lack of preparation here.  Guy who got the most reps in pre-season games at tailback.  Plays well.  Gets cut.  Chris-Ike likely will need to play some tailback tomorrow and no reps for him.

We bring in a guy who wasn't in anyone's camp to chase kicks and maybe play some fullback.  Watch him get injured tomorrow.

All these guys busted up coming out of camp....so we didn't go hard to get ready for the season, and we have a half dozen guys on the 6 game.

They really need to do some thinking on how to run an effective training camp.

I expect a loss this week.  Ottawa's season and home opener.  We are still the franchise with the target on our backs.  No one is having a let down against us.

Mci had one carry but yes. If he was any more upright in that run he could’ve dunked lol. 

[Booch]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Nailed it 

Finally...another convert in seeing the light...and how our HC isn't all that and then some

[rebusrankin]

I'm late to posting today but count me in as frustrated by our lineup choices for tomorrow, the overall roster and the use of the PR.

At what point is there a rif between MOS and Walters? At what point does Wade see the bottom line being impacted and step in?

[rebusrankin]

2 hours ago, captaincanuck12 said:

Perhaps we should wait another game before we start the griping of the roster management.   The "poor" roster management won us 14 games last year,  including major blowouts against BC and Sask in the Banjo Bowl.  Yes there is regression.    Losing Olivera and Lawler sucks, but injuries happen.

It's a little early to be pushing the panic button.  Just my .02

 

It also lost us a Grey Cup 

[JuranBoldenRules]

53 minutes ago, Atomic said:

We could have a core 6 of nationals: Demski, Wolitarsky, Neufeld, Kolankowski, Dobson, Stanley Bryant (nationalized)

Then you use Kramdi as a starter on defence but name him a designated national, meaning he can be replaced by a nationalized American for 25 plays. Name Kyrie Wilson a Designated Nationalized American and he is able to come in for those 25 plays. When Kramdi is in, B.Cole plays WLB, but when Kramdi comes out, Cole shifts over to SLB and Wilson plays WLB.

That makes seven national starters with one being able to be replaced for 25 plays a game. So you need one more national starter. This could either be Ford at CB which allows you to start an American at RB, or you could use Augustine at RB, allowing you to start an American at corner. In either case you have four Americans starting on the DL.

The roster really could be quite a bit better without even changing who is dressed, or by adding one stud American RB (if we bothered to bring one in). We could even decide to pull out Kolankowski and start an American C if we really wanted to, without much issue.

 

Personally I think Kyrie Wilson is someone we can and should have improved on.

Appreciate his prime.  But he's past it.

[Booch]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Personally I think Kyrie Wilson is someone we can and should have improved on.

Appreciate his prime.  But he's past it.

Injuries take there toll....and Tre Thomas was just making plays...all over the field...and in training camp...alas we let him walk as opposed to giving him a chance...or at the least earn his chops on the PR...but we have 2 extra DB's currently there..as well as an extra on roster...seems excessive in one position...minimal in the other...

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

Injuries take there toll....and Tre Thomas was just making plays...all over the field...and in training camp...alas we let him walk as opposed to giving him a chance...or at the least earn his chops on the PR...but we have 2 extra DB's currently there..as well as an extra on roster...seems excessive in one position...minimal in the other...

Bang on. We had soo much talent at lber in camp. Not playing any of those guys is aggravating as all hell. 

[Booch]

Discarded in lieu of the old guard 

[Mike]

27 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

At what point is there a rif between MOS and Walters? At what point does Wade see the bottom line being impacted and step in?

To your first point, some of what I’ve heard leads me to believe there already is 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

After following this thread for the better part of a week... I am to believe that:

-The Bombers have fallen off a cliff

-We are no longer a good team

-MOS is a **** coach

-Collaros is a **** QB- not even above average or even average- just ****.

-Our run game is garbage.

-Buck pierce is a **** OC

-Younger is alright, but nothing to write home about.

-Our Offence is ****

-Our practice roster is ****.

-Our Specialty teams is trash and **** at the same time.

-Our Defence is borderline garbage and out of shape.

-We cut all star players to retain old fat vets that just take up space and serve no purpose other than being ****.

-There is sooo much rust- probably from all that ****.

-Our LBs are old, broken and... ****.

-We don't have enough DLmen so after the 1st quarter- they're gassed and tired ****.

-No RBs- even BO is kind of ****- now he's injured ****.

-Our Receiving core is too old, too expensive and are being paid too much for being ****. 

-Our oline outside of Eli and the GOAT are- you guessed it, ****.

-DBs - new and raw ****.

-Kicker and punter- ****

-Special teams- yup, ****.

- KR? 'fraidy fumble **** ****. 

-Team is in real trouble. No way it will improve, because of all the above.

 

Jesus... this is bumming me out.

 

[bustamente]

The luster of 2 Grey Cups with Osh at the helm is starting to fade, now injuries to two key players and we really don't have anyone that can step in for them. I like Canadian talent but do we really have to put the team at a disadvantage because the coach has a crusade of some sort.

[Noeller]

Just now, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

After following this thread for the better part of a week... I am to believe that:

-The Bombers have fallen off a cliff

-We are no longer a good team

-MOS is a **** coach

-Collaros is a **** QB- not even above average or even average- just ****.

-Our run game is garbage.

-Buck pierce is a **** OC

-Younger is alright, but nothing to write home about.

-Our Offence is ****

-Our practice roster is ****.

-Our Specialty teams is trash and **** at the same time.

-Our Defence is borderline garbage and out of shape.

-We cut all star players to retain old fat vets that just take up space and serve no purpose other than being ****.

-There is sooo much rust- probably from all that ****.

-Our LBs are old, broken and... ****.

-We don't have enough DLmen so after the 1st quarter- they're gassed and tired ****.

-No RBs- even BO is kind of ****- now he's injured ****.

-Our Receiving core is too old, too expensive and are being paid too much for being ****. 

-Our oline outside of Eli and the GOAT are- you guessed it, ****.

-DBs - new and raw ****.

-Kicker and punter- ****

-Special teams- yup, ****.

- KR? 'fraidy fumble **** ****. 

-Team is in real trouble. No way it will improve, because of all the above.

 

Jesus... this is bumming me out.

 

Seconded. Not saying anybody is flat out wrong but holy **** this place is depressing. It's like the polar opposite of TEP where the bombers have never once ever done anything wrong. 

Where's my happy medium?