Blue Bombers - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[bigg jay]

2 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

No, Willy wasn't the qb when O'Shea got here. The Bombers signed Willy as a FA that off season so they came in together in 2014. In 2013, the Bomber qbs were Buck Pierce, Justin Goltz, Jason Boltus, Max Hall

Technically we traded Jade Etienne to the Riders for Willy but it may as well have been a FA signing since Etienne never played a game for them (they would have been better off asking for a few rolls of tape).  Willy was set to be an FA but never made it to that point as he signed an extension with us immediately after the trade.

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

8 hours ago, Booch said:

yup...I expecting more head scratchers...and just poor management....hope I am wrong but nothing leads me to think otherwise

Sooner or later the roster management issue (and like you and others, I believe it is an issue) is going to result in more empty seats in the stands. I may be naive on this matter but I understand that Miller has stepped in in the past. Is it unreasonable to expect that he might have to have another "little meeting" with the HC? (I have no idea where Walters fits in here.)

[Booch]

Just now, Slimy Sculpin said:

Sooner or later the roster management issue (and like you and others, I believe it is an issue) is going to result in more empty seats in the stands. I may be naive on this matter but I understand that Miller has stepped in in the past. Is it unreasonable to expect that he might have to have another "little meeting" with the HC? (I have no idea where Walters fits in here.)

I agree....and Wade won't sit on his hands on this...and not even just with fewer butts ....but the direction the team is headed

[BomberBall.]

10 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

That’s a good point, better to move one piece at a time with OL. Agree Kolo is the issue, broken record again but you just can’t have the center on his can multiple times a game. 

And when he’s not on his can he’s getting driven back into Zach’s lap, which might be worse.  At least when he gets run over there’s a chance the guy could trip on him.

[Mark H.]

12 minutes ago, Booch said:

I agree....and Wade won't sit on his hands on this...and not even just with fewer butts ....but the direction the team is headed

Hopefully whatever grace period he has allotted...is over soon....

32 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

Technically we traded Jade Etienne to the Riders

Thank you for that stroll down #IMWT amnesia lane.

[JohnnyAbonny]

15 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Sooner or later the roster management issue (and like you and others, I believe it is an issue) is going to result in more empty seats in the stands. I may be naive on this matter but I understand that Miller has stepped in in the past. Is it unreasonable to expect that he might have to have another "little meeting" with the HC? (I have no idea where Walters fits in here.)

I’m wondering this too.

On one side, Walters and the scouts have brought in some visibly quality players that didn’t/haven’t seen the field, either enough or at all, for reasons we’ve all talked about. 

Eli in particular I don’t think was brought in to sit on the bench for 4 years. Same with Miles Fox last year. I’ll bet Osh sits Wallace for 3 years too. 

I would speculate a measure of frustration in the front office. 

Flip side, I mean, some of the deals Walters  made with veteran players appear to be just as clueless as we accuse MOS of being.

 

[voodoochylde]

25 minutes ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Sooner or later the roster management issue (and like you and others, I believe it is an issue) is going to result in more empty seats in the stands. I may be naive on this matter but I understand that Miller has stepped in in the past. Is it unreasonable to expect that he might have to have another "little meeting" with the HC? (I have no idea where Walters fits in here.)

If Miller is stepping in (before Walters does) there's a bigger problem that needs addressing.   What I see happening is Miller speaking to Kyle and Kyle having that discussion with O'Shea and I hope those conversations are already ongoing.

For better or worse, each of the three (Walters, O'Shea and Miller) have largely stayed out of each other's business .. they've let each other do their jobs and stayed out of the way.  This was part of the larger cultural change for the organization and really helped eliminate some of the top down dysfunction we saw during the years we really struggled.

[Booch]

Walter's is technically Osh boss......HC obviously has a say on who he would like brought back....type of guy brought in...etc...etc....Now were some of these bring backs to appease a whining coach...and giving him one last chance to try and implement his vision....or was it Walter's saying "here some guys I want yhou to use"...I think it more the former...and maybe some disconnect there?...dunno...but it needs to be adressed and fixed...and fast

It's still early enough to cut a swath with the off you go knife and let the new blood grow into, and develop through the yr....if a guy has "it" and can play...it's very obvious and doesnt take a yr of learning like many here like to think as to support the poor roster management

The key thing tho...guys need to get that chance to play, and not be blocked out by older guys....and favorite guys who skill is inferior to what we brought in.....this is where we are failing miserably since end of 2021

Just now, voodoochylde said:

If Miller is stepping in (before Walters does) there's a bigger problem that needs addressing.   What I see happening is Miller speaking to Kyle and Kyle having that discussion with O'Shea and I hope those conversations are already ongoing.

For better or worse, each of the three (Walters, O'Shea and Miller) have largely stayed out of each other's business .. they've let each other do their jobs and stayed out of the way.  This was part of the larger cultural change for the organization and really helped eliminate some of the top down dysfunction we saw during the years we really struggled.

agreed...and if one needs to be replaced and someone new brought in to re-vitalize things...It's Osh all day every day....Many will squack and stomp thier lil feet in defiance....but it's true...

[JohnnyAbonny]

7 minutes ago, Booch said:

Walter's is technically Osh boss......HC obviously has a say on who he would like brought back....type of guy brought in...etc...etc....Now were some of these bring backs to appease a whining coach...and giving him one last chance to try and implement his vision....or was it Walter's saying "here some guys I want yhou to use"...I think it more the former...and maybe some disconnect there?...dunno...but it needs to be adressed and fixed...and fast

It's still early enough to cut a swath with the off you go knife and let the new blood grow into, and develop through the yr....if a guy has "it" and can play...it's very obvious and doesnt take a yr of learning like many here like to think as to support the poor roster management

The key thing tho...guys need to get that chance to play, and not be blocked out by older guys....and favorite guys who skill is inferior to what we brought in.....this is where we are failing miserably since end of 2021

agreed...and if one needs to be replaced and someone new brought in to re-vitalize things...It's Osh all day every day....Many will squack and stomp thier lil feet in defiance....but it's true...

Bingo. Our guy Tre Thomas was a perfect example of this. The guy was making plays against the 1’s. 
Jake Kelly too, although currently 6-Gamed, but I think he has way more upside than Kramdi, or BA even. 
The Stamps isolated him 1v1 against Marken Michel, looking for an easy deep shot and Kelly smacked down a jump ball. All he’s done is make plays and big ST tackles in every opportunity. 
 

[Booch]

13 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Bingo. Our guy Tre Thomas was a perfect example of this. The guy was making plays against the 1’s. 
Jake Kelly too, although currently 6-Gamed, but I think he has way more upside than Kramdi, or BA even. 
The Stamps isolated him 1v1 against Marken Michel, looking for an easy deep shot and Kelly smacked down a jump ball. All he’s done is make plays and big ST tackles in every opportunity. 
 

I'd like to see Kelly get a shot at SAM...kid can tackle too...more speed...I've wanted him in lineup since last yr already

[wbbfan]

7 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

Clip of Walters and Miller walking into O'Shea's office:

 

Hilariously accurate. Even though they did awful by art howe in the movie. 

[wbbfan]

1 hour ago, Slimy Sculpin said:

Sooner or later the roster management issue (and like you and others, I believe it is an issue) is going to result in more empty seats in the stands. I may be naive on this matter but I understand that Miller has stepped in in the past. Is it unreasonable to expect that he might have to have another "little meeting" with the HC? (I have no idea where Walters fits in here.)

If we are under .500 for the bjb, I think the fan base will panic and attendance will plummet. I bet we see a 10-15% drop for the next game as is. 

 

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

I'd like to see Kelly get a shot at SAM...kid can tackle too...more speed...I've wanted him in lineup since last yr already

I’d love to see Kelly at S, ba looks as bad as ever. Not just athletically and physically but mentally. He’s making decisions and coasting at times like I’d never have expected. 
 

39 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I’m wondering this too.

On one side, Walters and the scouts have brought in some visibly quality players that didn’t/haven’t seen the field, either enough or at all, for reasons we’ve all talked about. 

Eli in particular I don’t think was brought in to sit on the bench for 4 years. Same with Miles Fox last year. I’ll bet Osh sits Wallace for 3 years too. 

I would speculate a measure of frustration in the front office. 

Flip side, I mean, some of the deals Walters  made with veteran players appear to be just as clueless as we accuse MOS of being.

 

Walter’s does have a history of that. Giving faith massive money because he was the no1 pick for instance. 
 

21 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Bingo. Our guy Tre Thomas was a perfect example of this. The guy was making plays against the 1’s. 
Jake Kelly too, although currently 6-Gamed, but I think he has way more upside than Kramdi, or BA even. 
The Stamps isolated him 1v1 against Marken Michel, looking for an easy deep shot and Kelly smacked down a jump ball. All he’s done is make plays and big ST tackles in every opportunity. 
 

Biggie has been worse than all but one maybe two imp lbers in pre season. And those guys had mountains of up side. 

[Booch]

14 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Hilariously accurate. Even though they did awful by art howe in the movie. 

yeah....At could have been cast better for sure

9 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

If we are under .500 for the bjb, I think the fan base will panic and attendance will plummet. I bet we see a 10-15% drop for the next game as is. 

 

I’d love to see Kelly at S, ba looks as bad as ever. Not just athletically and physically but mentally. He’s making decisions and coasting at times like I’d never have expected. 
 

Walter’s does have a history of that. Giving faith massive money because he was the no1 pick for instance. 
 

Biggie has been worse than all but one maybe two imp lbers in pre season. And those guys had mountains of up side. 

all the upside guys...went waltzing out the door and we kept next to none....Several should have been rostered some how...some could/should have pushed some vets out the door...and nobody is developing...case in point right now...no ends whatsoever available...or DT's....if guys go down and are on the IR....smart management would be to have guys brought in to replace on the PR...if that means dropping some guys who you have no injury/depth issues with...so be it...Our habit of late of playing guys out of position is hurting us...Just cause a guy 'can" adequately average at best....doesnt mean he should...except in Osh's eyes

[Arnold_Palmer]

So I have quite a few thoughts and I haven’t been able to get them all out because I’ve been busy but I want to try to relay them the best I can and in no particular order but here it goes..

 

-So what exactly are we doing with Chris Streveler? There must have been conversation between the coaching staff and Chris prior to him being signed here. There’s absolutely no way he’s going to be happy being a glorified Dakota Prukop, in fact it’s such a miss managed role for him, he’s fast and athletic but he’s actually not even as good as Dakota is in the short yardage. He spent the last four years in the NFL and we have no way to use him. First and goal at the 7 why don’t you put him in and allow him to either pass, scramble or hand the ball off… 2nd and 1, no pass attempt to keep them honest? This goes into my next point. 

- I’m critical on Zach as any one has been and I won’t go too much into his play because that’s been discussed however what hasn’t been a topic of conversation is the offense X’s and O’s and that falls on Buck, over the years Zach has made a living on these slow developing plays where he gets a lot of time to throw from the pocket and he’ll step up or roll out and hit an open guy but that started to become a problem last season because Zach started to get hit more, our o-line no longer gives Zach the time to do that, this season it’s even worse, one year older for Stanley, Paddy and the guys, and losing Hardrick, you would think it’s time to start changing the offense, without Brady the slow developing fake hand off was essentially a suicide play because we couldn’t even be bothered to keep the defence honsest by using Augustine even though he’s no Brady he’s at least capable .

 

-Another point regarding the coaching staff is the horrid play from the ST. Horrible and no imagination. When’s the last time we ran a fake? Our coverage team sucked last year, it sucks again, our punting sucked last year, it sucks again. When Grant was injured last year we had no return game, this season we have no return game and there doesn’t seem to be an urgency to make any changes here.

 

-and this really ties into my last point  the lack of urgency to make changes. We simply haven’t been good enough, and the cracks were starting to show after 2022 but we continue to move at a snails pace in order to make changes why is Mitchell still fielding punts? Why hasn’t there been any changes to the o-line after Zachs been beat up over the last two weeks, why only dress 6 Dline men when Walters brought in a lot of competition at training camp, why continue to pay 360 k for two running backs when at the very least your back up could be an American making 40 k, it’s either arrogance, ignorance or both   I see every other team continuing to make changes to get the best roster possible, it’s down right sad that the only changes happen when there’s an injury and we have to almost hope for one in order for change to occur . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stickem]

We knew after the Cup there had to be changes.....and I said at the time 'deep ones'.....That's what true dynastys do ....to stay relevant at least ....We look like we're headed for uncharted waters now.....something we haven't seen in the last few years....We have parted ways with a few who were 'long in the tooth'....Jeffcoat being one of them, but guys like Thomas still hanging around paint a different picture....The amount of talent brought in was actually very good, in a lot of spots, but not retaining more than we did is looking like we wanted to remain status quo for the most part....Certainly there's the sms to consider and was the reason for a lot of the departures BUT we didn't go deep enough in a few positions....I think bringing in Streve was the right move considering the apparent decline of our starter....otherwise we remained status quo ...There's the few draft pics that look heartening but other than that we sure didn't do anything exciting....I hope when the friggin' injury bug buggers off we can gain some respectability.....otherwise I don't like what I'm seeing 

[TBURGESS]

How many times did MOS say we gotta start faster? That seems to be the players talking point for the week. 

[M.Silverback]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I’m wondering this too.

On one side, Walters and the scouts have brought in some visibly quality players that didn’t/haven’t seen the field, either enough or at all, for reasons we’ve all talked about. 

Eli in particular I don’t think was brought in to sit on the bench for 4 years. Same with Miles Fox last year. I’ll bet Osh sits Wallace for 3 years too. 

I would speculate a measure of frustration in the front office. 

Flip side, I mean, some of the deals Walters  made with veteran players appear to be just as clueless as we accuse MOS of being.

 

Great point. Honestly that's what worries me most - we can't pin all of this on Osh. A lot of it for sure, in terms of player deployment, roster decisions. But, Walters is the boss. A lot of very questionable decisions. Paying two Cdn RB's so much money as many of pointed out. I know we're obliged to support BO because he's a Winnipeger, but good teams do not overpay RB's anymore. Especially one who is not really a game breaker. He's a reliable, 4-5 yard ball control RB. I don't think opposing DC's are in fear of BO lighting them up.

NFL teams rarely overpay RB's. So many high profile ones are released. There's such an abundance of American RB's available I would never pay big bucks for one. I'd constantly be recruiting for new RB's, keep the prices reasonable. 

The other thing is as much as Osh's loyalty to certain players is an issue, the simple solution would be for Walters to have cut, traded, or not resigned some of these players. He's the boss, he could have told Osh that's the direction we're going. Like Thomas for sure, even Biggie I would have moved on from. 

 

[JCon]

Just now, M.Silverback said:

Great point. Honestly that's what worries me most - we can't pin all of this on Osh. A lot of it for sure, in terms of player deployment, roster decisions. But, Walters is the boss. A lot of very questionable decisions. Paying two Cdn RB's so much money as many of pointed out. I know we're obliged to support BO because he's a Winnipeger, but good teams do not overpay RB's anymore. Especially one who is not really a game breaker. He's a reliable, 4-5 yard ball control RB. I don't think opposing DC's are in fear of BO lighting them up.

 

And, yet, they can't stop him. 

 

Augustine was a waste, but I'm happy BO is back. Other GMs were prepared to pay him more. 

[M.Silverback]

Just now, JCon said:

And, yet, they can't stop him. 

 

Augustine was a waste, but I'm happy BO is back. Other GMs were prepared to pay him more. 

No question he's better than Augustine. Not sure he's better than some late NFL cut who we could bring in. I like him, I just would have let some other GM overpay him. 

[Arnold_Palmer]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

And, yet, they can't stop him. 

 

Augustine was a waste, but I'm happy BO is back. Other GMs were prepared to pay him more. 

The thing is Augustine should have been gone immediately after. When Brady was on his old deal you can make some sense of it, but how can you justify paying over 100 k for a back up Canadian running back? Especially when we don’t need a Canadian there if Brady goes down. That one I can pin on Walters although I’m sure the coaching staff get a say and I feel like Augustine is one of O’Sheas guys. 

[Mike]

Augustine was an easy cut to me, although to be fair he may have taken a minimum-ish or lower deal. Let‘s not forget, 100k isn’t really what it used to be in terms of contracts in the CFL. It’s only 35k more than minimum which isn’t a ton (but yes it’s still significant)

 

[Booch]

43 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

So I have quite a few thoughts and I haven’t been able to get them all out because I’ve been busy but I want to try to relay them the best I can and in no particular order but here it goes..

 

-So what exactly are we doing with Chris Streveler? There must have been conversation between the coaching staff and Chris prior to him being signed here. There’s absolutely no way he’s going to be happy being a glorified Dakota Prukop, in fact it’s such a miss managed role for him, he’s fast and athletic but he’s actually not even as good as Dakota is in the short yardage. He spent the last four years in the NFL and we have no way to use him. First and goal at the 7 why don’t you put him in and allow him to either pass, scramble or hand the ball off… 2nd and 1, no pass attempt to keep them honest? This goes into my next point. 

- I’m critical on Zach as any one has been and I won’t go too much into his play because that’s been discussed however what hasn’t been a topic of conversation is the offense X’s and O’s and that falls on Buck, over the years Zach has made a living on these slow developing plays where he gets a lot of time to throw from the pocket and he’ll step up or roll out and hit an open guy but that started to become a problem last season because Zach started to get hit more, our o-line no longer gives Zach the time to do that, this season it’s even worse, one year older for Stanley, Paddy and the guys, and losing Hardrick, you would think it’s time to start changing the offense, without Brady the slow developing fake hand off was essentially a suicide play because we couldn’t even be bothered to keep the defence honsest by using Augustine even though he’s no Brady he’s at least capable .

 

-Another point regarding the coaching staff is the horrid play from the ST. Horrible and no imagination. When’s the last time we ran a fake? Our coverage team sucked last year, it sucks again, our punting sucked last year, it sucks again. When Grant was injured last year we had no return game, this season we have no return game and there doesn’t seem to be an urgency to make any changes here.

 

-and this really ties into my last point  the lack of urgency to make changes. We simply haven’t been good enough, and the cracks were starting to show after 2022 but we continue to move at a snails pace in order to make changes why is Mitchell still fielding punts? Why hasn’t there been any changes to the o-line after Zachs been beat up over the last two weeks, why only dress 6 Dline men when Walters brought in a lot of competition at training camp, why continue to pay 360 k for two running backs when at the very least your back up could be an American making 40 k, it’s either arrogance, ignorance or both   I see every other team continuing to make changes to get the best roster possible, it’s down right sad that the only changes happen when there’s an injury and we have to almost hope for one in order for change to occur . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically in a nutshell....ytou have more or less nailed it...we are being out coached for a lack of a better term in a bad way...In most aspects....and along with that goes poor roster management, and really bad PR use

And well.....the results are glaringly obvious...Our upper echelon guys...who we rode to knubs...aren't upper echelon across the board anymore either....compoinding it...which circles right back to poor roster management, and then back to poor coaching trying to make square pegs fit into the former round holes....and it's not working....

32 minutes ago, Stickem said:

We knew after the Cup there had to be changes.....and I said at the time 'deep ones'.....That's what true dynastys do ....to stay relevant at least ....We look like we're headed for uncharted waters now.....something we haven't seen in the last few years....We have parted ways with a few who were 'long in the tooth'....Jeffcoat being one of them, but guys like Thomas still hanging around paint a different picture....The amount of talent brought in was actually very good, in a lot of spots, but not retaining more than we did is looking like we wanted to remain status quo for the most part....Certainly there's the sms to consider and was the reason for a lot of the departures BUT we didn't go deep enough in a few positions....I think bringing in Streve was the right move considering the apparent decline of our starter....otherwise we remained status quo ...There's the few draft pics that look heartening but other than that we sure didn't do anything exciting....I hope when the friggin' injury bug buggers off we can gain some respectability.....otherwise I don't like what I'm seeing 

after 2021....thefe already should have been some...so 2022 and especially 2023...there would have been the heir apparents already developed

 

24 minutes ago, TBURGESS said:

How many times did MOS say we gotta start faster? That seems to be the players talking point for the week. 

too many...and again that falls back on the coaching...or lack there of...time to start actually being a hard nosed coach....and right your ship....not happening tho...excuses...smug grins...non answers...they are all number ones....player X is the best...why be worried....well...we worried ya turd!!

 

18 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

Great point. Honestly that's what worries me most - we can't pin all of this on Osh. A lot of it for sure, in terms of player deployment, roster decisions. But, Walters is the boss. A lot of very questionable decisions. Paying two Cdn RB's so much money as many of pointed out. I know we're obliged to support BO because he's a Winnipeger, but good teams do not overpay RB's anymore. Especially one who is not really a game breaker. He's a reliable, 4-5 yard ball control RB. I don't think opposing DC's are in fear of BO lighting them up.

NFL teams rarely overpay RB's. So many high profile ones are released. There's such an abundance of American RB's available I would never pay big bucks for one. I'd constantly be recruiting for new RB's, keep the prices reasonable. 

The other thing is as much as Osh's loyalty to certain players is an issue, the simple solution would be for Walters to have cut, traded, or not resigned some of these players. He's the boss, he could have told Osh that's the direction we're going. Like Thomas for sure, even Biggie I would have moved on from. 

 

thing is...generally the HC will ask for...or say he wants.....thatbeing said..Walter's has tonow stop being the compliant buddy...and be the hard nosed Boss

 

17 minutes ago, JCon said:

And, yet, they can't stop him. 

 

Augustine was a waste, but I'm happy BO is back. Other GMs were prepared to pay him more. 

I'm sure many were just driving up the price with no real intent...knowing we wanted him..Brady wanted to be here...so push up the price knowing thje ripple effect...we should have just said...here's 190k.....balls in your court..we would have survived if he walked

 

7 minutes ago, Mike said:

Augustine was an easy cut to me, although to be fair he may have taken a minimum-ish or lower deal. Let‘s not forget, 100k isn’t really what it used to be in terms of contracts in the CFL. It’s only 35k more than minimum which isn’t a ton (but yes it’s still significant)

 

Paying Kramdi tho 70k over the miniumum...stupid when you can get the same or better from an entry level player....but bringing back Osh favs..Kramdi (dont gt me wrong solid backup/teams) Kolo..Thomas...BA...Biggie.....Not a hard and serious talk with ZC (who our coach thinks is best and cant fail) about taking a reduction, or else we cant provide him with the pieces to complete the roster is crippling us....Gauthier and JA can be lumped in there too..Rosery at minimum could give us more than enough backup ability...and possible upside....

Edited June 18 by Booch

[wbbfan]

39 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

So I have quite a few thoughts and I haven’t been able to get them all out because I’ve been busy but I want to try to relay them the best I can and in no particular order but here it goes..

 

-So what exactly are we doing with Chris Streveler? There must have been conversation between the coaching staff and Chris prior to him being signed here. There’s absolutely no way he’s going to be happy being a glorified Dakota Prukop, in fact it’s such a miss managed role for him, he’s fast and athletic but he’s actually not even as good as Dakota is in the short yardage. He spent the last four years in the NFL and we have no way to use him. First and goal at the 7 why don’t you put him in and allow him to either pass, scramble or hand the ball off… 2nd and 1, no pass attempt to keep them honest? This goes into my next point. 

- I’m critical on Zach as any one has been and I won’t go too much into his play because that’s been discussed however what hasn’t been a topic of conversation is the offense X’s and O’s and that falls on Buck, over the years Zach has made a living on these slow developing plays where he gets a lot of time to throw from the pocket and he’ll step up or roll out and hit an open guy but that started to become a problem last season because Zach started to get hit more, our o-line no longer gives Zach the time to do that, this season it’s even worse, one year older for Stanley, Paddy and the guys, and losing Hardrick, you would think it’s time to start changing the offense, without Brady the slow developing fake hand off was essentially a suicide play because we couldn’t even be bothered to keep the defence honsest by using Augustine even though he’s no Brady he’s at least capable .

 

-Another point regarding the coaching staff is the horrid play from the ST. Horrible and no imagination. When’s the last time we ran a fake? Our coverage team sucked last year, it sucks again, our punting sucked last year, it sucks again. When Grant was injured last year we had no return game, this season we have no return game and there doesn’t seem to be an urgency to make any changes here.

 

-and this really ties into my last point  the lack of urgency to make changes. We simply haven’t been good enough, and the cracks were starting to show after 2022 but we continue to move at a snails pace in order to make changes why is Mitchell still fielding punts? Why hasn’t there been any changes to the o-line after Zachs been beat up over the last two weeks, why only dress 6 Dline men when Walters brought in a lot of competition at training camp, why continue to pay 360 k for two running backs when at the very least your back up could be an American making 40 k, it’s either arrogance, ignorance or both   I see every other team continuing to make changes to get the best roster possible, it’s down right sad that the only changes happen when there’s an injury and we have to almost hope for one in order for change to occur . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The strevy package has been limited because we haven’t been able to keep the offence on the field. With bo out, we should be using it significantly more especially on first down. We’ve shown wrinkles like qb sweep, pa qb power, set up qb screen with both him and Zach on the field etc. with Zack’s struggles Strevy is significantly closer to starting here than he would’ve expected. I doubt he’s too upset other than hating losing and seeing the o struggle. 
 

you’re right that we’ve struggled more than ever in this era with qb protection and that buck has struggled to adjust with what’s going on. It’s a tough spot, what he has installed from tc we can’t run most of. He has always struggled to counter pressure. We have tools like the roll out and pa boot stuff. We’ve run that to get guys like schoen coming back to the ball in open space but its primary function is to counter pressure. We also haven’t made use of down field quick timing routes, slide pro etc. I am worried about buck. He’s young, but he’s looking like he’s either in a rut and doesn’t know how to break a plateau or he’s hit his ceiling. 
 

I think this yeah the goat is still getting his feet wet in coaching, and frankly he’s stuck with a bad punter and frequently this year is punting from deep in our end. Bad position to fake. But aside from the pathetic onside attempt in the gc, it’s been almost 2 seasons of no fakes on punting. Just the reverse and reverse fakes early last year in returns. 
 

roster management, old boys club, mos peculiar favouritism of rando sub par guys all that stuff is killing us and has robbed us of an all time dynasty. 

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23 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

Great point. Honestly that's what worries me most - we can't pin all of this on Osh. A lot of it for sure, in terms of player deployment, roster decisions. But, Walters is the boss. A lot of very questionable decisions. Paying two Cdn RB's so much money as many of pointed out. I know we're obliged to support BO because he's a Winnipeger, but good teams do not overpay RB's anymore. Especially one who is not really a game breaker. He's a reliable, 4-5 yard ball control RB. I don't think opposing DC's are in fear of BO lighting them up.

NFL teams rarely overpay RB's. So many high profile ones are released. There's such an abundance of American RB's available I would never pay big bucks for one. I'd constantly be recruiting for new RB's, keep the prices reasonable. 

The other thing is as much as Osh's loyalty to certain players is an issue, the simple solution would be for Walters to have cut, traded, or not resigned some of these players. He's the boss, he could have told Osh that's the direction we're going. Like Thomas for sure, even Biggie I would have moved on from. 

 

It’s really hard to say how much falls on Walter’s directly. I do feel that some moves like cutting Jackson when mos rostered him soo much is a Walter’s fights back move. 
 But, we are quickly getting to the point where it will be on Walter’s for not doing his job being mos boss and preventing stupid moves. 
 

 

22 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

No question he's better than Augustine. Not sure he's better than some late NFL cut who we could bring in. I like him, I just would have let some other GM overpay him. 

The value in Brady is entirely in the fact he’s a mop candidate Canadian skill position player.  Plus the local boy and off the field hero. 
 Could we find a great rb for cheap in the nfl cuts? Yes easily. One that would be a beast in pass pro, excellent pass catcher, great runner who can execute our system and grind out yardage? Yes but not as easy. And that player will be gone after a year for a major payday and or nfl shot. Plus you lose the passport. 
 

Brady was the toughest decision this off season. Right or wrong I don’t fault Walter’s. we had much easier decisions to make like with biggie and made the wrong ones. 

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Great break down by lapo, take a shot every time karamoko (42) is out of position on the under side of the box on his zone.