Blue Bombers - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[JohnnyAbonny]

4 hours ago, Colin Unger said:

Very pleased with the Garbutt is practicing. Based on track record this organization will only very sparingly hold onto a non vet who gets injured in camp.   I know very little about this guy but they must be pretty high on him. 

I only know what I’ve read and seen in his highlight reel. Looks very explosive and dominant against the run, but like I said it was highlight tape and really the ACC isn’t what it used to be. 

Big school (VT) Seems like he fell through the cracks, looked like he had some later round NFL draft interest. Little on the smaller side for an end in the NFL, his frame doesn’t look as big as his listed size.

Fwiw he had good speed testing numbers at the combine but a really crappy vertical. 

High motor in college, nicknamed  “Mr Lunchpail”.

From his highlight tape, it looks like the yard off the ball will benefit. He seems like he’d get swallowed up by NFL tackles fairy easily, quickness can negate a lot of that up here. 

Ranked in some obscure stats like TFL per game, ACC lineman of the week, Top Edge rusher against the run (weekly) on PFF. 

Bunch of random info, not a lot of reports on him. 

[Noeller]

I dream of the day when we can rotate Willie, Garbutt and Haba throughout a game... Fox and Adams in the middle with Schmeckel and Lawson... 

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

I dream of the day when we can rotate Willie, Garbutt and Haba throughout a game... Fox and Adams in the middle with Schmeckel and Lawson... 

I don't think Fox is much of a player.

Adams looking good but invisible last week.

Haba too is pretty meh.

See what Garbutt has soon hopefully.

Woods is looking like a solid nose.  Occupies gap, occupies blocks, make some plays when they are there but most importantly does his job.

Edited July 3 by JuranBoldenRules

[Noeller]

8 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I don't think Fox is much of a player.

Adams looking good but invisible last week.

Haba too is pretty meh.

See what Garbutt has soon hopefully.

Woods is looking like a solid nose.  Occupies gap, occupies blocks, make some plays when they are there but most importantly does his job.

Woods for sure... I forgot about him. Add that to my list, all of which I think are more than solid. 

[Noeller]

 

 

 

...and fwiw....

 

 

[Arnold_Palmer]

38 minutes ago, Noeller said:

 

 

 

...and fwiw....

 

 

No concern my ass. If he’s injured that’s fine but at 0-4 I want my starters getting reps. If they put an injured Collaros with no reps into the game I’m going to be upset, might as well roll with Streveler until hes healthy enough to be at 100 percent.

[SpeedFlex27]

24 minutes ago, Arnold_Palmer said:

No concern my ass. If he’s injured that’s fine but at 0-4 I want my starters getting reps. If they put an injured Collaros with no reps into the game I’m going to be upset, might as well roll with Streveler until hes healthy enough to be at 100 percent.

That's not how O'Shea rolls. He'll  play his vets with no practice time.  Streveler could get all the starting reps all week in practice only to sit the entire game.

[Eternal optimist]

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

[Mark H.]

1 minute ago, Eternal optimist said:

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

Could be, but sometimes you work with the QB you have - like the Als with Fajardo.

[SpeedFlex27]

Just now, Mark H. said:

Could be, but sometimes you work with the QB you have - like the Als with Fajardo.

Fajardo & VA are the 2 best qbs in the CFL. I know some of you just can't get your heads around that. Yeah, I agree that Streveler is a very good change it up type of qb but isn't a starter. Could be the best #2 qb in the league. 

[Mark H.]

15 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Fajardo & VA are the 2 best qbs in the CFL. I know some of you just can't get your heads around that. 

Where did I say they weren't? Fajardo has been a good QB in Montreal, he wasn't that good previously.

[17to85]

31 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said:

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

What is this based on?

[JohnnyAbonny]

2 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

I don't think Fox is much of a player.

Adams looking good but invisible last week.

Haba too is pretty meh.

See what Garbutt has soon hopefully.

Woods is looking like a solid nose.  Occupies gap, occupies blocks, make some plays when they are there but most importantly does his job.

What don’t you like about Fox? Other than he got hurt after a game and a half

[SpeedFlex27]

45 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Where did I say they weren't? Fajardo has been a good QB in Montreal, he wasn't that good previously.

Just reacting to your earlier comment, "Could be. Sometimes you work with the qbs you have-like the Als with Fajardo." To me, it seemed like you made a backhanded comment right in the nose. I'm happy for the guy. I don't hold it against him just because he played for the Riders. There's a few people that want him to fail just because he was a Rider. BTW, not saying you feel that way. 

Edited July 3 by SpeedFlex27

[Mike]

37 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Just reacting to your earlier comment, "Could be. Sometimes you work with the qbs you have-like the Als with Fajardo." To me, it seemed like you made a backhanded comment right in the nose. I'm happy for the guy. I don't hold it against him just because he played for the Riders. There's a few people that want him to fail just because he was a Rider. BTW, not saying you feel that way. 

What a rollercoaster 

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, Eternal optimist said:

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

Agree, he didn't look much improved over the guy that left in 2019.  It's up to him to prove doubters wrong.

[Arnold_Palmer]

10 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Agree, he didn't look much improved over the guy that left in 2019.  It's up to him to prove doubters wrong.

No offence but look at how much better his offensive line was in 2019. 

[Brandon]

2 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

Nope not at all,  I just want the club to use him as a normal QB and stop pigeon holing him into a running guy with gadget plays.   He is starter material and just needs some play time to get back into a groove. 

[BaconNBigBlue]

Streveler hasn't really had a proper chance to prove himself.  Spot play here and there doesn't a QB make.  He needs to run the offense for a couple games to see what he has.  Dru hasn't lit it up in Ottawa yet he was the second coming here!

 

[JohnnyAbonny]

24 minutes ago, BaconNBigBlue said:

Streveler hasn't really had a proper chance to prove himself.  Spot play here and there doesn't a QB make.  He needs to run the offense for a couple games to see what he has.  Dru hasn't lit it up in Ottawa yet he was the second coming here!

 

Agreed, we’ve seen him make the throws, he can hit that wide out that makes or breaks CFL QBs. 

It’s the consistent decision making and reading Defences that Strev still has to prove. I’m optimistic he can. I’m less optimistic in the offence they’re running in itself.  
 

Edited July 3 by JohnnyAbonny

[JohnnyAbonny]

8 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Just reacting to your earlier comment, "Could be. Sometimes you work with the qbs you have-like the Als with Fajardo." To me, it seemed like you made a backhanded comment right in the nose. I'm happy for the guy. I don't hold it against him just because he played for the Riders. There's a few people that want him to fail just because he was a Rider. BTW, not saying you feel that way. 

I talked an ungodly amount of **** about Fajardo from 19-last year, and doubted him going into this season. 

I’ll eat some crow, he’s playing very well on a very good team and looks to have improved the specific aspects of his game we were all knocking. 

I think it’s got a lot to do with having the one of the best QBs in modern CFL history working with him. 

I don’t think @Mark H. was attacking you Al. I read his point more like, teams can work with a QB who has the tools, that some  thought had plateaued and in Strevelers context, he could be one of those QBs. 
 

[JuranBoldenRules]

9 hours ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

What don’t you like about Fox? Other than he got hurt after a game and a half

Thought he was getting moved too easy vs the run against Montreal.  He's not explosive, not pushing pocket, not getting pressures not a lot of redeeming qualities there for an interior guy.  Adams is extremely explosive, but very raw.  He is already impactful and has a way to go.  Woods is not getting moved at all, he's where we want him to be so guys aren't busting off 4+ yards before contact and he's also getting pressures.  He gives the LB's a real solid chance to do their jobs.

Fox would be an easy chop for me and I'd be bringing in American DL until you find another guy who can really play.  My preference would be to look at guys who are more of the 3 tec/weakside end types, 6'1 255-270 body type.

[HardCoreBlue]

11 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:

Anybody else on here of the opinion Strev is a great 2nd string QB, but doesnt have what it takes to be a starter?

Don't know yet until we try yea?

[JohnnyAbonny]

9 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Thought he was getting moved too easy vs the run against Montreal.  He's not explosive, not pushing pocket, not getting pressures not a lot of redeeming qualities there for an interior guy.  Adams is extremely explosive, but very raw.  He is already impactful and has a way to go.  Woods is not getting moved at all, he's where we want him to be so guys aren't busting off 4+ yards before contact and he's also getting pressures.  He gives the LB's a real solid chance to do their jobs.

Fox would be an easy chop for me and I'd be bringing in American DL until you find another guy who can really play.  My preference would be to look at guys who are more of the 3 tec/weakside end types, 6'1 255-270 body type.

Appreciate the reasoning. 
It’s interesting, because I’ve always been enamoured with the 300+ guys that play on the nose.

I’ve felt like they don’t have enough size and power in the middle of the DL for a number of years now. I like the 3-tech guys as rotational pieces, or like you said bigger guys at the weak end spot, but I’d prefer  have a nose or 1 tech that plays almost every down and occupies 2 OL. Not Jake Thomas either, an actual one. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

37 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Appreciate the reasoning. 
It’s interesting, because I’ve always been enamoured with the 300+ guys that play on the nose.

I’ve felt like they don’t have enough size and power in the middle of the DL for a number of years now. I like the 3-tech guys as rotational pieces, or like you said bigger guys at the weak end spot, but I’d prefer  have a nose or 1 tech that plays almost every down and occupies 2 OL. Not Jake Thomas either, an actual one. 

To me Woods has that nose spot covered with the Canadians.  Adams can kind of line up anywhere.

3 tech just refers to where the guy lines up, like mostly a B gap guy in a very linear sense.  It's shifted a lot as focus has moved to pass rush over simple gap control.  The occupy 2 OL thing is just a matter of how effective you are and how the other team schemes based on who they view as a threat.  In run scheme you're trying to double team across the front and then work up to the linebacker/2nd level, base zone run now leaves backside end out or usually brings a back/receiver to chip/duo block across formation.  So if you're any DL vs the run and you can jam up those blocks so that 2nd OL can't break off to get at your LB's that's a pretty big win.

The only teams I see consistently running a gap scheme with run blocking are Hamilton and Montreal, sometimes Sask.  Zone is pretty basic now and way more responsive to the fronts you see without having to check at the line.

They are missing really solid rush end and the swing guy.  Fayad looks ok, hard to judge anyone off the edge when Jefferson playing so passive to the point he's getting a lot looks where blocking back is just standing there watching him straight away.  The opposite end is actually the guy getting the layers of blocking basically since the Ottawa game.  Jefferson has a handful of snaps in a given game this season where he fires off and is a threat.