Blue Bombers - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[GCn20]

17 minutes ago, IC Khari said:

Let’s review shall we?

- Early 2024 Bombers sign but also lose some key FA’s (the losses impact might be debatable).

- Bombers look to replace loses in TC.

- Some key injuries to starters, particularly on the D line and receiving core (but also starting RB and replacement return guy)through training camp and early in the season (making some of the major FA signings moot).

-Not surprisingly, Bombers struggle early on by still manage to stay in most games losing three by less than a touchdown or so.

-Bombers lose starting QB and win in back up’s second game (first start) 

-Starter returns as well as an additions (like Lucky eventually).

- As mentioned by another post, Bombers D doing pretty well in points against (considering)

- We are here

So looking realistically, is this as totally unexpected as many are making out?

Thoughts?

It is to be expected given the unreasonable run of injuries we have sustained thus far to very key players. It is not an excuse for losing, and the Bombers have to find a way to continue to win, but it certainly does make it much tougher for sure. Schoen/Lawler is a ton of passing yards and big plays lost.

[Fatty Liver]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

People have been telling me that Cody Fajardo is playing like one of the best qbs in the league.... well Chris Streveler had many times the passing pedigree and talent that fajardo does and you're saying he can't develop into one of the better qbs? **** off with that noise. 

Sure he's not going to be a calvillo or Ray who controls the game from the pocket but that doesn't mean he's some shitty qb.

Wake up, Fajardo has progressed from a 3rd down specialist to a decent QB, if Strev. spent the last 4 years playing instead of standing around waiting he might be more advanced than he is, but as it is he couldn't carry Cody's jock strap.

[17to85]

9 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Wake up, Fajardo has progressed from a 3rd down specialist to a decent QB, if Strev. spent the last 4 years playing instead of standing around waiting he might be more advanced than he is, but as it is he couldn't carry Cody's jock strap.

And that = never develop? You realize how stupid that statement is right? It's not like streveler has shown to be poor at passing this season... considering the OL problems a d receiver problems he has done about as well as you can expect passing the ball... and yes I would say better than collaros. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Are we really sure about that?

I'm not

 

45 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Yes, at least imo.

Certainly, and that is why I could see it happening. It will be a choice of success now or success down the road long term. It is a tough choice.

Zach is not cooked. He has been getting creamed and has been subject to playing behind an OL that is having growing pains from all the transition this year. I don't think there is a QB in this league that excels with our OL through the first few games.

yeah....kinda true...But Strev also got a win behind that same line....even worse recievers than what ZC has had....and that was his first start really in 4 yrs...Strev is equiped to win right now with poor oline play...and minimal weapons...with more starts...improving line play...some weapons back...whats to say he wont be even better...and still possess thatthing ZC doesnt have...and will never have...escabaility and serious threat on the ground?

 

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

People have been telling me that Cody Fajardo is playing like one of the best qbs in the league.... well Chris Streveler had many times the passing pedigree and talent that fajardo does and you're saying he can't develop into one of the better qbs? **** off with that noise. 

Sure he's not going to be a calvillo or Ray who controls the game from the pocket but that doesn't mean he's some shitty qb.

Thats my take as well...He is and was way more a better established passer before Lapo almost ruined him....and possess's a lot more in the intangibles...as well as better running than the Faj...Given time...reps...and yup an offence designed to NOT make him a pocket passer exclusively....he would be extremely good....we put time and effort...most of it wasted on sub par and pointless players under Osh...Maybe do it with one with serious upside and future ahead of him

[Brandon]

15 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Wake up, Fajardo has progressed from a 3rd down specialist to a decent QB, if Strev. spent the last 4 years playing instead of standing around waiting he might be more advanced than he is, but as it is he couldn't carry Cody's jock strap.

Strev was so bad and regressed so badly that he stayed in the NFL and several times made it on the news for his amazing play and how his team mates loved him.  Sounds like a bum!  

 

[Booch]

Just now, Brandon said:

Strev was so bad and regressed so badly that he stayed in the NFL and several times made it on the news for his amazing play and how his team mates loved him.  Sounds like a bum!  

 

a qb wouldnt stick around down there as long as he did, and get as many looks as he did if he was flawed and deemed a guy who couldnt pass...His throwing style is funky...but so have been a lot of other QB's who did just fine.

He came into the league as a guy passing the ball....but his extreme brute running got coaches here all googoo gaga over it and they pidgeon holed him

[Brandon]

16 minutes ago, Booch said:

I'm not

 

yeah....kinda true...But Strev also got a win behind that same line....even worse recievers than what ZC has had....and that was his first start really in 4 yrs...Strev is equiped to win right now with poor oline play...and minimal weapons...with more starts...improving line play...some weapons back...whats to say he wont be even better...and still possess thatthing ZC doesnt have...and will never have...escabaility and serious threat on the ground?

 

Thats my take as well...He is and was way more a better established passer before Lapo almost ruined him....and possess's a lot more in the intangibles...as well as better running than the Faj...Given time...reps...and yup an offence designed to NOT make him a pocket passer exclusively....he would be extremely good....we put time and effort...most of it wasted on sub par and pointless players under Osh...Maybe do it with one with serious upside and future ahead of him

I keep going back to the first time I saw Strev play live in person in his first season.    

When Nichols was completely washed up and couldn't do anything outside of a 5 yard dunk pass.   It was 100% clear Nichols was shot and the O was lethargic and was so easy to gameplan against.    Strev comes in and plays as a QB who scrambled and occasionally ran for a first down.   His weird throwing motion (almost like he was flicking a dart) was surprisingly effective since it released the ball quickly and what he did that Matt didn't was make quick decisions,  tossed the ball to receivers who were 10+ yards down field and let them make a play.  Guys like Darvin and Wolitarsky who were seeing nothing suddenly became part of the game which opened things up.        The next season when LaPo was trying to me smart and would run ridiculous flea flicker qb cartwheel cannon ball end around dispy doo plays that would end up hurting Strev and completely neutered him as a QB.  We need Strev to play as a QB,  the battering ram QB shtick wont last. 

Last week when Strev rolled out and dumped it off to Brady it absolutely froze Ottawa and those plays are what I think we need to use Strevs legs for.    

Edited July 9 by Brandon

[wbbfan]

The designed qb runs should be based around making big plays not grinding out 5. The threat of him on a naked bootleg or option motion after handing off takes a guy out of the run stop and opens a lot up. 
 When he throws on the roll defenders freeze up soo bad. If we ran offences like what we saw and see used with Fajardo and sprinkled in some qb runs it could turn our entire year around.  

[GCn20]

21 minutes ago, Booch said:

I'm not

 

yeah....kinda true...But Strev also got a win behind that same line....even worse recievers than what ZC has had....and that was his first start really in 4 yrs...Strev is equiped to win right now with poor oline play...and minimal weapons...with more starts...improving line play...some weapons back...whats to say he wont be even better...and still possess thatthing ZC doesnt have...and will never have...escabaility and serious threat on the ground?

 

Thats my take as well...He is and was way more a better established passer before Lapo almost ruined him....and possess's a lot more in the intangibles...as well as better running than the Faj...Given time...reps...and yup an offence designed to NOT make him a pocket passer exclusively....he would be extremely good....we put time and effort...most of it wasted on sub par and pointless players under Osh...Maybe do it with one with serious upside and future ahead of him

Strev still needs work in the passing game. That is not to say that when he has the timing down, comfort with his receivers etc that won't come. It certainly might but it would be foolish to think there isn't going to be some rough games from now to them. Hence, the dilemma the coaches are in. IF the OL continues to play sub par Strev might be our best bet, but if they continue to show improvement as they have the past couple games and can provide Zac the protection then our best chance to win right now is Zac.  At the end of the day though, it is quite apparent that we definitely need to see more Streveler than what was initially planned and I think a strong rotation can be had between the two guys and provide our team with a tandem that will really make it tough for opposing defences to prepare for.

Edited July 9 by GCn20

[wpgallday1960]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Zach is one of the vets who is cooked. He’s amongst a handful who should have been purged this off season. It would shock me if we won a game with Zach starting at QB. 
 

The more likely scenario for Zach is he’s gonna get 6 gamed like  T Harris. 

He may be done but I think one of the big problems with Zach is his mindset: he continually wants to throw deep passes and has neither the oline or WRs (due to injuries) this year to do that.  You never want to fully take away his deep passes but he has to adapt to a more short/mid-range passing game in order to be successful.  Not sure if he can change his ways.

[17to85]

3 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

He may be done but I think one of the big problems with Zach is his mindset: he continually wants to throw deep passes and has neither the oline or WRs (due to injuries) this year to do that.  You never want to fully take away his deep passes but he has to adapt to a more short/mid-range passing game in order to be successful.  Not sure if he can change his ways.

He has been **** at short passing forever. Even when he does throw them they're not effective. It's just that when he first got here it was a breath of fresh air after the lapo special where it's all check downs or deep shots. Collaros worked the intermediate game effectively. Now teams know what he is all about and are taking it away and collaros can't adapt because his other big weapon was his escapability (think that td to adams against calgary in 2019) and right now he just doesn't have that ability to get away anymorem

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

You know what’s sad? Collaros couldn’t carry his jock strap either.  

I'm not advocating for Collaros, but Strev. isn't the future and Walters would be foolish to put his apples in his basket thinking he would ever provide a road back to a GC appearance.  Playing the way he did in the last game is unsustainable, within 3 games good chance both him and Brady end up on the 6 game.  If he can win games in any other way, he has to prove it.

Edited July 9 by Fatty Liver

[17to85]

7 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

but Strev. isn't the future

Why isn't he?

[voodoochylde]

26 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

I'm not advocating for Collaros, but Strev. isn't the future and Walters would be foolish to put his apples in his basket thinking he would ever provide a road back to a GC appearance.  Playing the way he did in the last game is unsustainable, within 3 games good chance both him and Brady end up on the 6 game.  If he can win games in any other way, he has to prove it.

It's not really up to him to go out and prove anything, it's the coaches who need to give him that opportunity. 

As far as I'm concerned, Buck needs to demonstrate that he can design and call plays that take advantage of what Streveler does well both as a passer and as an athlete.  Strev just has to execute the game plan and be efficient with the ball.

Is he the long term answer?  I don't know that but do know we will never find out if he keeps getting shoehorned into a very specific role.

 

[Fatty Liver]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Why isn't he?

Put it this way, if he was the Riders future hope this board would be laughing their asses off.

[17to85]

1 minute ago, Fatty Liver said:

Put it this way, if he was the Riders future hope this board would be laughing their asses off.

You're not providing reasons here...

[wbbfan]

5 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You're not providing reasons here...

Because there is no reason. The only limit to how good strev is and will be here is how well we use him. 

[17to85]

I mean does he need to progress and grow? Sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of it. People are massively selling his ability as a passer short. He can make all the throws. 

[Booch]

1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

The designed qb runs should be based around making big plays not grinding out 5. The threat of him on a naked bootleg or option motion after handing off takes a guy out of the run stop and opens a lot up. 
 When he throws on the roll defenders freeze up soo bad. If we ran offences like what we saw and see used with Fajardo and sprinkled in some qb runs it could turn our entire year around.  

yup....we have a guy who can grind out the shorter stuff...also with Strev...we have guys around him now who would make the jet sweep...or the fake of it...and the RPO that much more effective....

 

1 hour ago, GCn20 said:

Strev still needs work in the passing game. That is not to say that when he has the timing down, comfort with his receivers etc that won't come. It certainly might but it would be foolish to think there isn't going to be some rough games from now to them. Hence, the dilemma the coaches are in. IF the OL continues to play sub par Strev might be our best bet, but if they continue to show improvement as they have the past couple games and can provide Zac the protection then our best chance to win right now is Zac.  At the end of the day though, it is quite apparent that we definitely need to see more Streveler than what was initially planned and I think a strong rotation can be had between the two guys and provide our team with a tandem that will really make it tough for opposing defences to prepare for.

Oh I agree...definately will be some ups and downs and growth into the spot...but we have seen a lot of real bad QB play of late with ZC...and he is a one trick pony...so he is very limited in how he can manage a game with sub par support....Its gonna be an interesting dynamic...and if anything his leash should be ultra short...

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

He has been **** at short passing forever. Even when he does throw them they're not effective. It's just that when he first got here it was a breath of fresh air after the lapo special where it's all check downs or deep shots. Collaros worked the intermediate game effectively. Now teams know what he is all about and are taking it away and collaros can't adapt because his other big weapon was his escapability (think that td to adams against calgary in 2019) and right now he just doesn't have that ability to get away anymorem

That play immediately comes to mind when I see him turtling in a collapsed pocket and wonder how he went from that to what we have now. I realize it's been close to 5 years (a long time at this stage of his career) but he has none of that ability anymore.

[Bubba Zanetti]

I know a lot of people on here are high on Streveler, and i love the guy, but he is not a fulltime CFL/NFL quarterback. He's a tier 2 college run-heavy/Wildcat offense QB.

[Fatty Liver]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

I mean does he need to progress and grow? Sure, but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of it. People are massively selling his ability as a passer short. He can make all the throws. 

He didn't throw much against Ottawa, nobody forced him to run every second play, that's his choice..

[JCon]

Just now, Fatty Liver said:

He didn't throw much against Ottawa, nobody forced him to run every second play, that's his choice..

You don't know that. 

[Goalie]

Collaros sitting in the pocket with no ability to run with this oline is not gonna end well. As for Streveler and his running. Considering the pressure our QBs face every time, how is that a bad thing? Guess he should have just stayed in the pocket and got destroyed. 

Edited July 9 by Goalie

[Booch]

26 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said:

I know a lot of people on here are high on Streveler, and i love the guy, but he is not a fulltime CFL/NFL quarterback. He's a tier 2 college run-heavy/Wildcat offense QB.

316 for 481 for 4134 yards 32 TD passing..8 ints isnt a run heavy wildcat offense...not sure where you get that idea from....thats his senior yr stats...he also rolled up 720 yards on the ground as well...avareaged 13.1 yards per pass as well