CFL - 2024 Regular Season - Discussion Thread

[17to85]

Really Brady is the MOP this year.... does it matter if he beats out Milligan in the west or overall? Nope. There's no runner up trophy.

[Fatty Liver]

44 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

That's the point that is stupid.... each team gets one nominee, those nominees have the top from east and west selected... if a guy can't even be his own teams nominee, selected by the local folks who actually know a thing or two about the team how could someone else be a better selection? It really only matters for a runner up type situation 

Disagree, if the Bombers have the two top Canadians in Brady and Ford, why can't they both be nominated and let the  voters determine who's more worthy?  Just as relevant, if the two best defensive players are in the East, why substitute a Western player of lesser value as a finalist? 

[Pepper_Brooks]

42 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Really Brady is the MOP this year.... does it matter if he beats out Milligan in the west or overall? Nope. There's no runner up trophy.

Runner up trophy means your a loser

[Fatty Liver]

56 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

So to prove that the current system is stupid they picked Milligan for MOP. How in god's green earth does that prove anything?

[GCn20]

11 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

I really think you are the one missing the point, not vice versa. Is it your opinion their picks were sarcastic commentary on how the awards are done? If so, what would lead you to believe that? Or do you think that Milligan as MOP or Ford at NI is somehow better than the current nominees? 3DN is making the argument that the ability to pick from anyone is better by absolutely botching every pick to the point of ridiculousness when given the opportunity to demonstrate it yet you, for reasons I don't think anyone can understand, are defending their demonstration and suggesting people who don't see it that way can't see the forest thru the trees? Sorry, but that's just too rich.

Edited 21 hours ago by GCn20

[blue85gold]

The awards system can have flaws and the 3downnation picks can be garbage at the same time. 

[Fatty Liver]

20 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I really think you are the one missing the point, not vice versa. Is it your opinion their picks were sarcastic commentary on how the awards are done? If so, what would lead you to believe that? Or do you think that Milligan as MOP or Ford at NI is somehow better than the current nominees? 3DN is making the argument that the ability to pick from anyone is better by absolutely botching every pick to the point of ridiculousness when given the opportunity to demonstrate it yet you, for reasons I don't think anyone can understand, are defending their demonstration and suggesting people who don't see it that way can't see the forest thru the trees? Sorry, but that's just too rich.

Listen to any CFL based podcast over the last month, there's quite a few of them if you're willing to listen to other people's points of view, they've discussed this concept on almost every one of them, including numerous 3DN podcasts.

 

 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, Fatty Liver said:

Disagree, if the Bombers have the two top Canadians in Brady and Ford, why can't they both be nominated and let the  voters determine who's more worthy?  Just as relevant, if the two best defensive players are in the East, why substitute a Western player of lesser value as a finalist? 

But why does it matter? Brady and Ford had their showdown already and Brady was determined to be the better choice. There's no runner up trophy so whoever is the east nominee for moc doesn't matter. Brady will win the award.

[bearpants]

4 hours ago, Fatty Liver said:

The point of the article was not to highlight the individual players picked to win, it was to illustrate the current awards system is outdated and needs to be fixed by removing artificial boundaries of teams and divisions.  BTW the same concept every other football journalist in Canada agrees with.  

"However, just like in years past, the league’s outdated voting system will have as large an effect on the results as straight statistical comparisons. With local voters only able to select one nominee from each team and regional voters limited to one choice per division, the best two candidates rarely end up on the final ballot."

 

Maybe you should read the article before commenting, eh?

I don’t think many are disagreeing with that part… the fact that they still concluded the 4th or 5th best db is the league should the league MOP is what deserves ridicule… unless, as @GCn20 suggested, you think they’re making these picks kind of ironically… well, I don’t think the writer at 3DN are that clever…

[HardCoreBlue]

2 hours ago, Pepper_Brooks said:

Runner up trophy means your a loser

I as a human frequently get your and you're wrong but ChatGPT? Wow.

Go Bombers. 🙂

 

 

[Fatty Liver]

2 hours ago, 17to85 said:

But why does it matter? Brady and Ford had their showdown already and Brady was determined to be the better choice. There's no runner up trophy so whoever is the east nominee for moc doesn't matter. Brady will win the award.

Natl. pundits across the league seem to be more impressed with the season Tyrell Ford had than what Brady did, which was more or less on par and expected.  It's been a long time since a Natl CB played as well as Ford has, he receives little benefit or recognition because local reporters stacked the deck with Brady.

As it is the awards ceremony is almost a non-event with little drama and few fans even bothering to watch the broadcast, partner TSN has so little faith in the interest they're airing it exclusively on TSN+ late Thursday evening.  Standing pat has failed,  a shakeup is necessary to revive the event and create more fan interest.  Each category should have at least 3-5 contestants, that way you wouldn't see so many fans tuning out as soon as the 2 finalists are announced. 

[Tracker]

As to Oliviera vs Milligan, in the biggest game of the year so far, Oliviera blossomed and Milligan choked. End of story.

[SpeedFlex27]

30 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Natl. pundits across the league seem to be more impressed with the season Tyrell Ford had than what Brady did, which was more or less on par and expected.  It's been a long time since a Natl CB played as well as Ford has, he receives little benefit or recognition because local reporters stacked the deck with Brady.

As it is the awards ceremony is almost a non-event with little drama and few fans even bothering to watch the broadcast, partner TSN has so little faith in the interest they're airing it exclusively on TSN+ late Thursday evening.  Standing pat has failed,  a shakeup is necessary to revive the event and create more fan interest.  Each category should have at least 3-5 contestants, that way you wouldn't see so many fans tuning out as soon as the 2 finalists are announced. 

Yep, all Suitor talked about was Milligan. He barely talked about Ford. There are no real ball hawks in the CFL anymore. Guys with double digit interception numbers as in years past but guys like Ford cover so well & are tough to beat. Tyrell's just getting started in his career. I hope we can sign him to a long term deal. 

TSN killed the event & made it irrelevant. Scarf Boy just sat there & watched the awards ceremony become the awards cemetary & did nothing.  All while proclaiming what a great partner TSN was. **** Ambrosie. Glad he 's leaving... Five years too late. The guy was too stupid to realize the only way to grow the game is to showcase your stars, for crissakes. Televising the awards event & the CFL Draft need to be a part of the next tv contract. 

Edited 17 hours ago by SpeedFlex27

[17to85]

42 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Natl. pundits across the league seem to be more impressed with the season Tyrell Ford had than what Brady did, which was more or less on par and expected.  It's been a long time since a Natl CB played as well as Ford has, he receives little benefit or recognition because local reporters stacked the deck with Brady.

As it is the awards ceremony is almost a non-event with little drama and few fans even bothering to watch the broadcast, partner TSN has so little faith in the interest they're airing it exclusively on TSN+ late Thursday evening.  Standing pat has failed,  a shakeup is necessary to revive the event and create more fan interest.  Each category should have at least 3-5 contestants, that way you wouldn't see so many fans tuning out as soon as the 2 finalists are announced. 

Do they? I mean a Canadian leading the league in rushing and yards from scrimmage isn't anything to sneeze at. They fell all over themselves when it was Cornish or Harris in BC. Methinks sometimes the national media just loves to downplay the Bombers.

Ford had a great season... but the most outstanding Canadian IS Oliveira. Ford is one piece of a great defensive backfield, Brady for most of the season has been the Bombers entire offense.

[Tracker]

 

                                                  

[Noeller]

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[rebusrankin]

36 minutes ago, Tracker said:

 

                                                  

Rotten apple doesn't fall far from the rotten tree?

[GCn20]

12 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Do they? I mean a Canadian leading the league in rushing and yards from scrimmage isn't anything to sneeze at. They fell all over themselves when it was Cornish or Harris in BC. Methinks sometimes the national media just loves to downplay the Bombers.

Ford had a great season... but the most outstanding Canadian IS Oliveira. Ford is one piece of a great defensive backfield, Brady for most of the season has been the Bombers entire offense.

I agree. The award is for most outstanding player. Oliveira's play was the most outstanding. I'm not sure why some people think that's a knock on Ford? Ford was easily the 2nd best NAT on our team and probably the league this year. That's nothing to sneeze at, however, BO was the man again. Whether he finishes second to Oliveira on the local or national stage doesn't change the eyeball test that most football fans have witnessed.

[Bigblue204]

20 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

I agree. The award is for most outstanding player. Oliveira's play was the most outstanding. I'm not sure why some people think that's a knock on Ford? Ford was easily the 2nd best NAT on our team and probably the league this year. That's nothing to sneeze at, however, BO was the man again. Whether he finishes second to Oliveira on the local or national stage doesn't change the eyeball test that most football fans have witnessed.

100% this. Brady did what everyone expected him to. That includes other teams defenses. They all knew who he was and what he was going to do and none of them could stop it. Ford played well....buuut...he was fairly unknown and no one (outside of this organization) knew what to expect. Once they figured out he was the real deal his numbers slowly faded. Still a great season. But Brady had an outstanding one while everyone tried to stop it all year long.

[Booch]

Without BO on the field for us all yr...we aren't here in Vancouver right now....If we lost Ford for a stretch...we likely are...No knock on Ford but in the totality of the season...BO was our and the league MOP....He was last yr too and got robbed...Hoefully he gets his due this yr with both awards.....another ring and a second MOC in Grey Cup....He is in the early stages of a generational all time great Canadian...heck RB in the CFL....Enjoy it people

[GCn20]

41 minutes ago, Booch said:

Without BO on the field for us all yr...we aren't here in Vancouver right now....If we lost Ford for a stretch...we likely are...No knock on Ford but in the totality of the season...BO was our and the league MOP....He was last yr too and got robbed...Hoefully he gets his due this yr with both awards.....another ring and a second MOC in Grey Cup....He is in the early stages of a generational all time great Canadian...heck RB in the CFL....Enjoy it people

I agree. Ford is a dynamite player, so is Milligan for that matter, but neither guy holds a candle to BO right now. That's not a knock on them, just the facts.

[HardCoreBlue]

49 minutes ago, Booch said:

Without BO on the field for us all yr...we aren't here in Vancouver right now....If we lost Ford for a stretch...we likely are...No knock on Ford but in the totality of the season...BO was our and the league MOP....He was last yr too and got robbed...Hoefully he gets his due this yr with both awards.....another ring and a second MOC in Grey Cup....He is in the early stages of a generational all time great Canadian...heck RB in the CFL....Enjoy it people

It's BO's ripple effect that's outstanding, establishes the run, 2nd and short yardages, protects his QB from blitzes, bangs his helmet gets the fire going with his teammates/fans, shows his appreciation to his teammates (Oline) in real time on the field, sets up play action, opens up the O playbook, keeps our O on the field for long drives resulting in D's hands on hips, keeps our D well rested etc etc etc.

[GCn20]

6 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

It's BO's ripple effect that's outstanding, establishes the run, 2nd and short yardages, protects his QB from blitzes, bangs his helmet gets the fire going with his teammates/fans, shows his appreciation to his teammates (Oline) in real time on the field, sets up play action, opens up the O playbook, keeps our O on the field for long drives resulting in D's hands on hips, keeps our D well rested etc etc etc.

His ability to dominate a game opens up our entire offence. He is probably the guy that other teams game plan the most for, and he still beats their game plan almost every week.

[Mark H.]

2 hours ago, GCn20 said:

His ability to dominate a game opens up our entire offence. He is probably the guy that other teams game plan the most for, and he still beats their game plan almost every week.

After the successful passing attack when the Riders stacked the box last week, it'll be interesting to see what Toronto comes up with.

[Mike]

I gotta admit, I don’t quite get the talk that Ford is better than Milligan.