GDT Can the Bombers D shutdown the Als?

[SpeedFlex27]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I’ve said this before but I don’t recall seeing a network blatantly disfavour any sports team during a good run as much as TSN does the Bombers, especially since Cuthbert left.
 I’ll never forget the sadness in Rod Smith’s voice at the end of the 2021 cup. 

When Calgary was on top, they were all over them with awe and hyperbole, same with Montreal before that, and BC in the early-mod 2000s. I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees it. 

Yeah, there was no sadness about our loss. Both Smith & Suitor were jumping out of the booth taking delight in showing that last GC drive over & over & over. And the Philpott performance. A new superstar is born.... spit. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, Bigblue204 said:

Not until Zach gets it together. Zach has been and will be moving forward at his best when we are a run team first. Was true in 2019, 2021 and last year. This teams O struggles when they get about from busting heads and playing mean.

Yeah, seems like they need to run 20-30 times a game or Zach turns into Uncle Rico. 

[bigg jay]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

After 4 straight cup appearances 1 loss ain’t gonna cost anyone anything. Some of you are unrealistic

 

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Cut Castillo 

 

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Zach having trouble making garbage time throws. Dudes shot man. Looked shot at times last year. Should have kept the dude we developed over the 35 yr old. 

Speaking of unrealistic... Maybe take a look in the mirror?

[SpeedFlex27]

22 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I’d rather listen to that than another call from “Gail”

Tell me more. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Yeah, there was no sadness about our loss. Both Smith & Suitor were jumping out of the booth taking delight in showing that last GC drive over & over & over. And the Philpott performance. A new superstar is born.... spit. 

You could feel his voice joyfully beaming through the TV when the Argos won as well. 

[17to85]

1 hour ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I said it after the Grey Cup and I got eye roll reacts all over the place. 
 

there were a few of us who said it. 

 

Now I think most of tonight was squarely on not playing in preseason for most of the offensive starters, but yeah Collaros has seen some really concerning aspects creep into his game last season and tonight. We got Streveler for a reason, use him if collaros is sucking the hind teet

[Mike]

6 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

 

 

Speaking of unrealistic... Maybe take a look in the mirror?

He never will 

 

this is literally the exact same dude who was crying about some of us stating our arguments and then making the exact same argument for us only posts later

 

He’s absolutely lost as a poster 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

there were a few of us who said it. 

 

Now I think most of tonight was squarely on not playing in preseason for most of the offensive starters, but yeah Collaros has seen some really concerning aspects creep into his game last season and tonight. We got Streveler for a reason, use him if collaros is sucking the hind teet

I just don’t see how Zach is going to improve.  With his age, the trajectory is very concerning. Sorry but he’s not Calvillo or Ray. I hope I’m wrong but we’ve seen this with a ton of good-great QBs in the league over the years. 

[kelownabomberfan]

11 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Yeah, seems like they need to run 20-30 times a game or Zach turns into Uncle Rico. 

[Booch]

we get a half decent offensive performance...we win that game....Defense has the horses....just get the right ones out of the stable

Kudo's to Osh for actually admitting he screwed up....Light bulb moment?....we shall see

Our D-line rotation is gonna be legit...and a strong point...If we can get Bennett signed as a Canadian rotation....less to no Jake only makes us stronger....and Ford is gonna be fine...Bonds looks legit....Cole....nothing needs to be said there and Wilson was solid but like some other vets...didnt have his sea legs....part of the Osh oopsie...

I concerned with ZC tho...rust and NOT being in game speed mode didn't help and was apparent, but also seeing some the same stuff we have seen last year already that makes me wonder if he has regressed, as these "off" games happen with too much regularity now....Hope to see in coming games some Strev looks running the actual offense too...and running if/when things break down....instances now where with ZC he seems to go in panic mode almost...and either force things for a pick...miss a guy badly or just get sacked.

BO also was not game ready and had no explosion or stamina....another coaching oversight in my opinion not involving JA more....

I still hate our punter and if we need him to actually kick us out of trouble I don't think he can, and Mitchell is not the return answer...Hopefully Smith is healthy sooner than later, plus he will be a nice piece on offence

all is not lost if the right things are done....next week will be interesting, and imagine what this place will be like if Dru out plays ZC ...and badly.....I think if we have games where we get that ZC it should be a quick hook and let Strev actually play QB....

Edited June 7 by Booch

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

Man. I’m not allowed to say what I want so I’ll just say whatever. You know it. **** it. For you to tell anyone to open their peepers when 4 straight cups and all you do is **** on the team and quite frankly make this site unreadable at times is quite rich. Honestly. I wish you and Mike did play  tonight cuz you’d both be unconscious right now instead of repeating how all knowing you are. 

Omg lol I just read this imagine being like “yeah I wish those guys who predicted this got some CTE instead of me being able to admit maybe I was blowing smoke up the wrong ass”

[17to85]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I just don’t see how Zach is going to improve.  With his age, the trajectory is very concerning. Sorry but he’s not Calvillo or Ray. I hope I’m wrong but we’ve seen this with a ton of good-great QBs in the league over the years. 

oh he will be better than tonight. He was not even in the right time zone on most of his throws. That will be better and they will make some plays as the rust comes off (and it wasn't just him, Schoen, Demski, Lawler, Wolitarsky... did any of those guys actually play in preseason? They all looks largely like ****). The things that concern me about Collaros is that he came in and made hay on the intermediate routes but teams are not giving him that and he sucks at short throws and he doesn't seem to be as accurate on the longer throws as he used to be. I have maintained that the key for this year is lots of Streveler to take some pressure off Collaros. I understand why they gave Collaros time tonight to get over it... but going forward we need to let Streveler pass too because it's better for the offense as a whole. 

the quarterbacking was so bad tonight it sucked the life completely out of the whole team.

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, kelownabomberfan said:

How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains? 

[Booch]

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

Omg lol I just read this imagine being like “yeah I wish those guys who predicted this got some CTE instead of me being able to admit maybe I was blowing smoke up the wrong ass”

I'd lead block for you to tippy toe into the endzone haha...I'm still a load hahaha

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

oh he will be better than tonight. He was not even in the right time zone on most of his throws. That will be better and they will make some plays as the rust comes off (and it wasn't just him, Schoen, Demski, Lawler, Wolitarsky... did any of those guys actually play in preseason? They all looks largely like ****). The things that concern me about Collaros is that he came in and made hay on the intermediate routes but teams are not giving him that and he sucks at short throws and he doesn't seem to be as accurate on the longer throws as he used to be. I have maintained that the key for this year is lots of Streveler to take some pressure off Collaros. I understand why they gave Collaros time tonight to get over it... but going forward we need to let Streveler pass too because it's better for the offense as a whole. 

the quarterbacking was so bad tonight it sucked the life completely out of the whole team.

when we use Strev we need to use him as a QB running the offence...not just the run plays they have...as teams will just sit on that....dude can throw...let him...plus he can scramble and move around...he not a sitting duck back there, 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

oh he will be better than tonight. He was not even in the right time zone on most of his throws. That will be better and they will make some plays as the rust comes off (and it wasn't just him, Schoen, Demski, Lawler, Wolitarsky... did any of those guys actually play in preseason? They all looks largely like ****). The things that concern me about Collaros is that he came in and made hay on the intermediate routes but teams are not giving him that and he sucks at short throws and he doesn't seem to be as accurate on the longer throws as he used to be. I have maintained that the key for this year is lots of Streveler to take some pressure off Collaros. I understand why they gave Collaros time tonight to get over it... but going forward we need to let Streveler pass too because it's better for the offense as a whole. 

the quarterbacking was so bad tonight it sucked the life completely out of the whole team.

I know he’s going to have better games than that, just overall I don’t see him improving season to season anymore, and I don’t think that’s the last performance like that we’ll see this year. 
I’m going to try very hard not to beat this point into the ground but It’s very hard to get over the fact that they let one of the only QBs they’ve developed in my lifetime go to keep a 35 year old regressing player who hamstrings the cap.
They’re going to have to let Streveler throw the ball and play full games if they want any shot at keeping this thing going. 

[17to85]

Ford had some ups and downs but I suspect time will be very kind to him as the year goes on. Defense was mostly pretty solid until the end when they just gave up because it was clear the offense was never going to to anything to get back into it. 

Mitchell had a nice opening return then fumbled and just completely went walkabout for the rest of the game. If you do one thing as a returner just field the kick cleanly, he couldn't even get under the kicks as the game went on. Fail.

Offense... what a load of crap. 

 

Better to be punched in the mouth now than when it's too late. 

[CodyT]

6 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

oh he will be better than tonight. He was not even in the right time zone on most of his throws. That will be better and they will make some plays as the rust comes off (and it wasn't just him, Schoen, Demski, Lawler, Wolitarsky... did any of those guys actually play in preseason? They all looks largely like ****). The things that concern me about Collaros is that he came in and made hay on the intermediate routes but teams are not giving him that and he sucks at short throws and he doesn't seem to be as accurate on the longer throws as he used to be. I have maintained that the key for this year is lots of Streveler to take some pressure off Collaros. I understand why they gave Collaros time tonight to get over it... but going forward we need to let Streveler pass too because it's better for the offense as a whole. 

the quarterbacking was so bad tonight it sucked the life completely out of the whole team.

This is well said. I'm not surprised they gave Zach time to work through it. But when he goes through lulls again Strev is a game changer. He can litterly turn the momentum.

I haven't read back in our comments but I thought the Oline played pretty well tonight. Defence was fine. Secondary played pretty well

[17to85]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I’m going to try very hard not to beat this point into the ground but It’s very hard to get over the fact that they let one of the only QBs they’ve developed in my lifetime go to keep a 35 year old regressing player who hamstrings the cap.

I'm OK with letting Brown go if Streveler is the guy to take the reigns. Either way it's incumbent on the coaches to realize when Zach needs some sideline time. WHen he's in a funk he rarely pulls himself out of it anymore. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, 17to85 said:

Ford had some ups and downs but I suspect time will be very kind to him as the year goes on. Defense was mostly pretty solid until the end when they just gave up because it was clear the offense was never going to to anything to get back into it. 

Mitchell had a nice opening return then fumbled and just completely went walkabout for the rest of the game. If you do one thing as a returner just field the kick cleanly, he couldn't even get under the kicks as the game went on. Fail.

Offense... what a load of crap. 

 

Better to be punched in the mouth now than when it's too late. 

Agree with all of this. Michell needs to go imo.  In 2 preseason and 1 real game we’ve seen 2 pass drops, a fumble, and fiddle ******* around trying to catch the ball. Apple and a road map. 

[CodyT]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

I'm OK with letting Brown go if Streveler is the guy to take the reigns. Either way it's incumbent on the coaches to realize when Zach needs some sideline time. WHen he's in a funk he rarely pulls himself out of it anymore. 

I think it's reasonable to trust Walter's judgement. If they really believed Brown was all we Crack him up to be, than I think they'd find a way to keep him. We're paying Lawler 300 k ffs...

That being said Walter's has made some bad judgements in the past. But not many 

[Deiter Fan]

I have tons of respect for what Zac has done for the team but you'd have to be blind or exceptionally disingenuous to not admit we hung on to a guy on the downside of his bell curve and let go a guy on the upside of his. I think Brown and Strev would have made a scary combo. 2 very mobile QBs and Brown who has shown he can take charge even coming off the bench.

He could have had this year to sharpen his skills in prep for the GC in 25 at home.

If he stinks it up this year I'll humbly eat my words as long as it's on him and not his OL

[JohnnyAbonny]

2 minutes ago, CodyT said:

This is well said. I'm not surprised they gave Zach time to work through it. But when he goes through lulls again Strev is a game changer. He can litterly turn the momentum.

I haven't read back in our comments but I thought the Oline played pretty well tonight. Defence was fine. Secondary played pretty well

I didn’t think so particularly. Decent, not great in the run game, poor in pass pro. I wasn’t impressed with either of the guards, or Lofton at RT, but at least he made that one chip on Stubblefield. 

[17to85]

I don't think the OL was all that awful, Collaros when he's bad tends to make them look worse than they are by doing nothing with the ball but staring hopelessly downfield. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, Deiter Fan said:

I have tons of respect for what Zac has done for the team but you'd have to be blind or exceptionally disingenuous to not admit we hung on to a guy on the downside of his bell curve and let go a guy on the upside of his. I think Brown and Strev would have made a scary combo. 2 very mobile QBs and Brown who has shown he can take charge even coming off the bench.

He could have had this year to sharpen his skills in prep for the GC in 25 at home.

If he stinks it up this year I'll humbly eat my words as long as it's on him and not his OL

100%. It’s not like I enjoy being an ass about it or anything. I like Zach and I genuinely want to be wrong lol 

[CodyT]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

I didn’t think so particularly. Decent, not great in the run game, poor in pass pro. I wasn’t impressed with either of the guards, or Lofton at RT, but at least he made that one chip on Stubblefield. 

I was at the game live and when I heard Lofton was in the starting line up I was surprised. 

I thought they opened some holes for Olivera, but he litterly tripped. More than once.

I'm no expert here but It seemed to me like Zach had time to pass. Just was holding on too long