WEEK TWO GAMEDAY THREAD - BOMBERS @ REDBLACKS

[rebusrankin]

At worst @Boochwould have the best coach's show since Mike Kelly 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:40 AM, rebusrankin said:

MOS likely gets the year, Would be shocked to see him fired mid year.

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MOS gets until the end of his contract.

[Bigblue204]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:43 AM, JuranBoldenRules said:

A big part of that predictability is Collaros though.

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Collaros executes what he's told to. When was the last run play called? When was the last play where pre snap we had a wr motion to the other side? Which doesn't even necessarily matter. But this defence knows the call is going to be drop back and pass. 

[bigg jay]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:40 AM, rebusrankin said:

MOS likely gets the year, Would be shocked to see him fired mid year.

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I wouldn't.  I don't think Wade would be satisfied with a 1-8 record or something like that going into our first bye week. 

We have some tough games coming up and unless changes are made (player-wise) things don't look too hopeful.

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:44 AM, BigBlueFanatic said:

As the feast or famine nature of the passing game emerged, I wonder if Buck and Zach kind of enabled each others bad habits by just focusing on the plays they like.  I.e. near total lack of any kind of short screens…. Then I remember Dru Brown’s game last year where he used all the weapons to dominate Edmonton.

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That’s a great point I think you’re onto it. Just like nichols and plop but the exact opposite lol. 

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:46 AM, Bigblue204 said:

Collaros executes what he's told to. When was the last run play called? When was the last play where pre snap we had a wr motion to the other side? Which doesn't even necessarily matter. But this defence knows the call is going to be drop back and pass. 

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Nah, he doesn’t progress worth a damn. We motion wrs a lot prep. 

15 minutes they are gonna try 

[Stickem]

I don't know what we're concocting in the rain delay but it better be a td to win this thing....How we can look so bad on the o line, which was one of our solid units, is bewildering....Zack hasn't been on his game for a lot of the time but he's getting no protection on a lot of the RB pressures.....Wheatfall has delivered ...too bad we didn't have more from the D.....which has looked very porus....Hopefully we can pull this one out

[BaconNBigBlue]

Tick tock.  Tick Tock.  Not much time left.  

[JohnnyAbonny]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:30 AM, BBlink said:

Who could we reasonably replace him with that would make a difference? 

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Strev?  

 

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:38 AM, Blueandgold said:

Given how Collaros finished last year, is anyone surprised at this?  
 

There was a large group of us who thought we should have went with the big move and kept the younger, cheaper, and better Brown as the starter. 
 

Sadly, Strev isn’t a full time starting QB. We just have to hope Collaros can play better and has one last hurrah in him.

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I’d argue he’s never been given the chance 

Edited June 14, 2024 by JohnnyAbonny

[Mike]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:41 AM, Booch said:

U think it's funny...but I could get 12 wins here...I also know lots of the guys...and some currently not playing...and they know what a psycho I am/was and played...and would mirror that and he'll yeah we'd be entertaining...ruthless and winning

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Hire me as your roster management consultant 

[JuranBoldenRules]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:39 AM, ShyGuy said:

We are complaining about Zach not getting enough time but Brown would be in the same situation. I guess you could say for the price of 1 Zach you could have Brown and have kept Hardrick but most people here were 100% in on Hardrick was on the decline.

At least with Zach out there you can say he should have the experience to deal with this kind of line play.

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I don't think Hardrick solves our issue personally unless he's moving inside and even then based on what we saw last season, and last week for Sask...not sure.

[Doublezero]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:43 AM, JohnnyAbonny said:

He’s really not a cerebral QB is he? 

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Concussions = slower processing = anxious self-preservation = happy feet = bad throws = liability. 

It was so obvious last season that Brown was the better QB, Quicker release. Velocity throws on target. Plus experience/understanding the system.

Major fail by coaching/management letting Brown get away.

[Bigblue204]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:46 AM, wbbfan said:

That’s a great point I think you’re onto it. Just like nichols and plop but the exact opposite lol. 

Nah, he doesn’t progress worth a damn. We motion wrs a lot prep. 

15 minutes they are gonna try 

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You can't progress with dl in your lap. It's a snowball effect.

We have done the least amount of motion this game that I have seen in a long time. It's perplexing 

[JohnnyAbonny]

I few like the issue is the interior over the RT spot. Loftons not great, but it doesn’t matter when the middle just looks like there’s nobody there at all. 

[Tracker]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:40 AM, wbbfan said:

Buck is still a young oc. I’d hire an experienced offensive guy to be the quality control on offence and to mentor buck in play call and adjustments. 

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Khari?

[JuranBoldenRules]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:44 AM, BigBlueFanatic said:

As the feast or famine nature of the passing game emerged, I wonder if Buck and Zach kind of enabled each others bad habits by just focusing on the plays they like.  I.e. near total lack of any kind of short screens…. Then I remember Dru Brown’s game last year where he used all the weapons to dominate Edmonton.

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Remember road losses in our nearly undefeated years in Toronto and Hamilton?

Same issue.  The blitzed and got pressure....not popping down to anything hot.  A lot of it is the QB.  He's always looking for that downfield shot and being lazy pre-snap with his reads.  Wants that shot.  Not taking they 5-6-7 yard play and living for the next one.

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:32 AM, Mr. Perfect said:

All the leash in the world. Who are you going to replace him with? You expect Streveler to be more effective as a passer the way the interior line is getting caved in? Good luck. Worst thing this team did was letting Dru Brown out the door.

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I dont see any QB doing much better behind this Oline...

[Bigblue204]

He honestly had very little business throwing that absolute dime to demski deep. It was decently covered, but that throw had to be perfect and it was 

[Tracker]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:51 AM, JohnnyAbonny said:

I few like the issue is the interior over the RT spot. Loftons not great, but it doesn’t matter when the middle just looks like there’s nobody there at all. 

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Neufeld was saddled with a sub-par center and a right tackle who may be good enough but has yet to prove he is both good enough and a good fit.

Edited June 14, 2024 by Tracker

[JohnnyAbonny]

 

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:53 AM, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

I dont see any QB doing much better behind this Oline...

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I feel like Brown would at least attempt the quick game to counter, but I mean it’s a moot point now

[JuranBoldenRules]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:54 AM, Tracker said:

Neufeld was saddled with a sub-par center and a right tackle who may be good enough but has yet to prove he is both goof enough and a good fit.

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It's not like he's making an outstanding block and everything is collapsing around him.  It's him.

[Captain Blue]

I still think LaPo, for all his many faults, did a much better job with Collaros than Buck has. LaPo's conservative nature seemed to cancel out Colllaros' ultra-aggressive mentality.

[JohnnyAbonny]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:54 AM, Tracker said:

Neufeld was saddled with a sub-par center and a right tackle who may be good enough but has yet to prove he is both goof enough and a good fit.

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He’s playing like he’s goof enough 

[wbbfan]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:50 AM, Bigblue204 said:

You can't progress with dl in your lap. It's a snowball effect.

We have done the least amount of motion this game that I have seen in a long time. It's perplexing 

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You can. You drop deeper move your feet and the progression starts with the post snap read. If you have time to force deep shots like he has you have time to progress a read 

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:53 AM, Wanna-B-Fanboy said:

I dont see any QB doing much better behind this Oline...

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we’ve seen guys play better behind worse over the last few years in this league. 

[Doublezero]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:53 AM, Bigblue204 said:

He honestly had very little business throwing that absolute dime to demski deep. It was decently covered, but that throw had to be perfect and it was 

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Yes, but Demski saved a sure pick by climbing the ladder and one-handing it on an overthrow later.

[Super Duper Negatron]

  On 2024-06-14 at 2:55 AM, Captain Blue said:

I still think LaPo, for all his many faults, did a much better job with Collaros than Buck has. LaPo's conservative nature seemed to cancel out Colllaros' ultra-aggressive mentality.

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The further Buck gets from Lapo's tenure, the worse the offense gets.