Booch Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 1 minute ago, Mark H. said: My take: If you're eliminating most of the downfield stuff, especially explosion plays, and you're getting turnovers because your scheme puts athletes in good position... Then the odd screen or check down for a first down...is probably a play you can afford to give up. And effectively you should have 3 to 4 support guys coming down hill on it. Even better with athletic dline guys with backside pursuit motors rebusrankin, wbbfan, Mark H. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 1 hour ago, johnzo said: One thing I wonder about match coverage is that you often see the RB one-on-one with a linebacker. Seems like there's a solid opportunity for checkdowns and screens there ... get a mismatch with an explosive back like Bell or Leake out there against an MLB, maybe an OL sneaks out of the line to block downfield too... spread the receivers to spread out the DBs and create wider lanes downfield -- line up in a 4x1 and run the play to the short side where there are fewer DBs to rally. You're not going to get home runs here, but you'll make first downs... 100%. Delayed rb wheel routes are a huge opportunity. In general, pass catching rbs are extremely valuable in all levels and leagues. And yeah, the whole point of match cover is to keep every thing in front of you, cover the seams, and let athletes come up and make plays. Force the offence to make consecutive great plays to keep the ball moving and make significant field position gains. johnzo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted September 25 Author Report Share Posted September 25 1 hour ago, wbbfan said: Force the offence to make consecutive great plays to keep the ball moving and make significant field position gains. For whatever reason BC just couldn't cope with this ... both Rourke and VAJ kept trying to hit those intermediate routes against us despite the fact we had that part of the field locked down with men high and low. Would really expect them to have more of an ability to adjust. Was not impressed with their offensive coaching in our home-at-home. bb1, wbbfan and Mark H. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 5 minutes ago, johnzo said: For whatever reason BC just couldn't cope with this ... both Rourke and VAJ kept trying to hit those intermediate routes against us despite the fact we had that part of the field locked down with men high and low. Would really expect them to have more of an ability to adjust. Was not impressed with their offensive coaching in our home-at-home. just announced that Rourke will start this week. Piggy 1, Noeller and wbbfan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 12 minutes ago, johnzo said: For whatever reason BC just couldn't cope with this ... both Rourke and VAJ kept trying to hit those intermediate routes against us despite the fact we had that part of the field locked down with men high and low. Would really expect them to have more of an ability to adjust. Was not impressed with their offensive coaching in our home-at-home. And, if you think back, the same thing happened in the West Final last year. wbbfan, Noeller, johnzo and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb1 Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Booch said: And effectively you should have 3 to 4 support guys coming down hill on it. Even better with athletic dline guys with backside pursuit motors Booch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, wbbfan said: In general, pass catching rbs are extremely valuable in all levels and leagues. Ricky Ray would agree. wbbfan and HardCoreBlue 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted September 25 Author Report Share Posted September 25 5 hours ago, Booch said: Even better with athletic dline guys with backside pursuit motors those plays where a DL recovers from their pass rush and gets on their horse to make a downfield tackle ... I hate to give up the yards but man I love to see the giddyup from the DL. I remember that Gavin Walls was especially good at chasing runners down from behind. wbbfan, Tracker and BigBlueFanatic 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted September 25 Author Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, Mark H. said: Ricky Ray would agree. for all his dinking and dunking, Ray also knew the value of a guy who could get a step on a corner route. so many rainbow throws of pillowy softness from that guy... Mark H., wbbfan and HardCoreBlue 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 8 hours ago, johnzo said: those plays where a DL recovers from their pass rush and gets on their horse to make a downfield tackle ... I hate to give up the yards but man I love to see the giddyup from the DL. I remember that Gavin Walls was especially good at chasing runners down from behind. 100%. That is my favorite play to see from a DL. That means not only does the guy have the athleticism to do that, but the relentless motor to succeed in general. Tom canada was a high motor guy too. Our better finds among imp DTs have been those types. Bryant, stove, sayles etc. Especially the good 3 tech types. 8 hours ago, johnzo said: for all his dinking and dunking, Ray also knew the value of a guy who could get a step on a corner route. so many rainbow throws of pillowy softness from that guy... And slants. Oh man did he used to carve us up baaad throwing 10-15 yard slants at the seams. bb1 and HardCoreBlue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, wbbfan said: And slants. Oh man did he used to carve us up baaad throwing 10-15 yard slants at the seams. Ricky Ray is the most accurate passer I think I've ever seen. Just dropped it in a bucket for his guys all the time. Piggy 1, Noeller, bb1 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 3 hours ago, wbbfan said: And slants. Oh man did he used to carve us up baaad throwing 10-15 yard slants at the seams. '08 playoffs...damn you've triggered me again! HardCoreBlue, wbbfan and JCon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 37 minutes ago, Mark H. said: '08 playoffs...damn you've triggered me again! Yup, I'm twitching over here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 On 2024-09-24 at 7:05 PM, Mark H. said: My take: If you're eliminating most of the downfield stuff, especially explosion plays, and you're getting turnovers because your scheme puts athletes in good position... Then the odd screen or check down for a first down...is probably a play you can afford to give up. In 3 down football it is very difficult to nickel and dime your way to points. Don't allow large chunks of yardage on any given drive and the offence will not sustain many drives. It's too hard to maintain efficiency for any offence up and down a field 5 yards at a time when you don't have any margin for error. One broken play or one defensive good play and it's drive over. Any defence will give any team the short yardage stuff all day long and they won't get scored on very much. It's what we are doing so well this year. We limit the first down gains and force them to pass on 2nd down. Teams run around 50% efficiency on 2nd and long on a good day. Mark H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 24 minutes ago, GCn20 said: In 3 down football it is very difficult to nickel and dime your way to points. Don't allow large chunks of yardage on any given drive and the offence will not sustain many drives. It's too hard to maintain efficiency for any offence up and down a field 5 yards at a time when you don't have any margin for error. One broken play or one defensive good play and it's drive over. Any defence will give any team the short yardage stuff all day long and they won't get scored on very much. It's what we are doing so well this year. We limit the first down gains and force them to pass on 2nd down. Teams run around 50% efficiency on 2nd and long on a good day. Or even one penalty. Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Saw Ricky at subway in downtown peg years back hours before their game. Later that night he carved us up like shredded turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted October 3 Author Report Share Posted October 3 this one is fun to watch. Two checkdown throws go for TDs, so you can imagine how excited Lapo gets about that. Lots of superb breakdown here -- Lapo talks a lot about the recognition that enables ZC8 to find the opportunities within each play. You get to see how an offence works under absolutely ideal conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booch Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, johnzo said: this one is fun to watch. Two checkdown throws go for TDs, so you can imagine how excited Lapo gets about that. Lots of superb breakdown here -- Lapo talks a lot about the recognition that enables ZC8 to find the opportunities within each play. You get to see how an offence works under absolutely ideal conditions. yup...Ideally you like it to be ideal lol Mark H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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