2024 West Final - Lead Up Chatter

[GCn20]

15 hours ago, Nolby said:

I just want to see Zach finally have an outstanding playoff run stats wise, I don't believe theres been a game yet in the playoffs where hes dominated.

I want to see him be able to go out and put up points, keep the defense fresh, and give the Bombers a chance at all 3 phases being complimentary to eachother......this all includes Buck and play calling too.

 

Hard to do in cold weather games. I'll just be happy if we win our next two, even if Zach is underwhelming.

14 hours ago, wbbfan said:

9-49, 12-42, 11-43 rushing. 

9-80, 1-9, 6-60 receiving. 

thats 283 yards from scrimmage over 3 games with him. Averaging out to 16 touches yielding 94.33 yards per game. That, in warm weather. 
 I’m mainly concerned if we will use Brady enough. 
 He’s a real hard guy to take away from the O. You can’t really be aggressive in the gaps and the flats with out massive down field problems. 
 I’d really like to see us send Brady on a wheel deep. Teams struggle to get to the flats on him, send him deep and they will have nightmares. 

If he had the hands I think they would have done it long ago. They had Harris on wheel routes all the time because he had great hands. I don't think BO is quite there yet, but is working on that aspect of his game.

[Bigblue204]

3 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Hard to do in cold weather games. I'll just be happy if we win our next two, even if Zach is underwhelming.

If he had the hands I think they would have done it long ago. They had Harris on wheel routes all the time because he had great hands. I don't think BO is quite there yet, but is working on that aspect of his game.

Brady has made tough catches before. His hands are fine imo.

[GCn20]

2 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Brady has made tough catches before. His hands are fine imo.

Catching deep routes is a different kind of catching skill set. One we have not seen from Brady yet.  Not saying he can't do it, just assuming it's why we never run him out on intermediate and deep routes because that was something we did routinely with Harris.

Edited October 31 by GCn20

[Booch]

8 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Brady has made tough catches before. His hands are fine imo.

actually yeah he has good hands....ZC tho has poor touch on the outlets and screens....you even saw with Harris his touches there went way down

[17to85]

Yeah best thing for collaros was lapo ******* off. Would have been a disaster. Collaros is bad at the short passing game.

 

I actually think though that collaros has been playing as well lately as he has all year, probably the best he has all year (rest of the offense not so.much) but I've got enough faith in collaros at the moment.

[HardCoreBlue]

11 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah best thing for collaros was lapo ******* off. Would have been a disaster. Collaros is bad at the short passing game.

 

I actually think though that collaros has been playing as well lately as he has all year, probably the best he has all year (rest of the offense not so.much) but I've got enough faith in collaros at the moment.

Pretty basic football, if you can keep ZC clean with the necessary steamboats while giving the rock at times to BO to establish the run, we win, they lose.

Edited October 31 by HardCoreBlue

[ShyGuy]

How close is the game to a sellout?

Doesn't look like there is a ton left on ticketmaster

[Bubba Zanetti]

18 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

How close is the game to a sellout?

Doesn't look like there is a ton left on ticketmaster

It looks to be around 2000 left give or take.

[GCn20]

1 hour ago, Booch said:

actually yeah he has good hands....ZC tho has poor touch on the outlets and screens....you even saw with Harris his touches there went way down

It's certainly not the strongest point of his game for sure, but that is mainly because we don't really use it a whole lot in our offence. My comment on BO's receiving skills aren't about screens or in the flats. It's about his ability to get out and beat a DB and to have the over the shoulder deep route receiving skills. Those are not the types of things BO did a whole lot of in college or since. It takes time.

20 minutes ago, ShyGuy said:

How close is the game to a sellout?

Doesn't look like there is a ton left on ticketmaster

People are waiting until the weekend just to get the most accurate weather report I would think. Those waiting solely on the weather report will likely sell out the game before the WSF and not leave availability to chance should the gappers win.

[johnzo]

15 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Can you elaborate on this? I’m interested in what you’re saying but don’t have the schematic knowledge to follow 😀🙏

if you look at our recent game vs. Montreal, on 1st and 10 the Als were always putting a lot of bodies into the box because they figured our O would run thru Brady.  But instead we let Zach sling it downfield and he had one of his better games this season.

(If you look at the game thread, you'll see lots of posters were irritated that Brady didn't get a ton of touches in the first half of that game.)

[wbbfan]

5 hours ago, GCn20 said:

Hard to do in cold weather games. I'll just be happy if we win our next two, even if Zach is underwhelming.

If he had the hands I think they would have done it long ago. They had Harris on wheel routes all the time because he had great hands. I don't think BO is quite there yet, but is working on that aspect of his game.

It’s just the degradation of our game plan. 
 Brady’s hands are as good as Harris. Tbh, Harris benefited from playing with the check down master in nichols, zach is significantly worse at throwing good screens, and short tosses. If any thing, Brady has better hands. 
 Catching down field passes from zach is sonically easier than short stuff. Down field you have more time to set up and snag it. 
 

The jet sweep package has died, along with other packages and plays we have the pieces for. Remember the counter toss to Harris? The direct snap? The draw? 2nd and longer than 10 was a favourite for the draw to Harris. 

[wbbfan]

15 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Can you elaborate on this? I’m interested in what you’re saying but don’t have the schematic knowledge to follow 😀🙏

 

6 hours ago, Bigblue204 said:

Basically if your planning on stacking the box, or taking away the run/passes close to or behind the line of scrimmage. You're going to be vulnerable in other areas, specifically for the riders, areas where they have struggled this year ie down field passes to say Lawler or Wilson/demski etc. 

And to be fair, if I'm coming into the PAS and it's cold, this is exactly what I'm doing. Making Collaros beat you. Don't let Brady get into a groove at all. Keep it in the hands of #8.

Pretty much. 
 

To get further into it, in a 40 front D (which most teams run) and a Sam lber in coverage your wil and mac have to take inside gaps in the run fits. Then the Sam takes the out side edge gap (c usually) and a half the other side edge gap. Then the S is generally the back up inside if some one blows it. 
 If you play with that alignment, the wil/Mac are stuck between the hash marks. So if the rb hits the flat between the tackle and the side line below the WRs, the lbers just can’t get there in time. Even if they are spying the back when not in run fits, they would have a big gap to close and have to flip their hips and run to the rb, so with a break down field you break the angle from the lber and force them to make a sharp hard pivot which few nfl athletes can do with any momentum. 
 

with all teams running variations of the spread, and the hash change defences have gotten smaller. The Mac is the size wils used to be, and wils are old sams. That means they struggle more to play the gap. If any thing, especially with the amount of read, option, and zone run schemes, you need an extra body inside. 
 

In a D like ours, you either have a lber on hook curl flat or medium interior wall coverage. Then a corner, Sam or half often has the flat. But they seldom are following the rb or taking them into consideration. So that db is generally run off in a pass play. 
 Usually in a heavy run situation you see our lbers in the tackle box. Other wise, they are generally deeper and spread to the tackle width or more. 

 

[Goalie]

I’m one of those waiting until the weather to maybe get tickets. I don’t have a problem with the cold but the almost 10 year old doesn’t wanna sit outside if it’s freezing. 

[Fatty Liver]

4 hours ago, HardCoreBlue said:

Pretty basic football, if you can keep ZC clean with the necessary steamboats while giving the rock at times to BO to establish the run, we win, they lose.

Yah, works against weaker teams but the last 2 games have demonstrated they can't do that against the better teams.

[Noeller]

I didn't listen to it but I guess Jamie Nye was on WST today and said Sask is gonna beat BC and regardless of who comes out of the WSF, they're definitely going to beat Winnipeg in the final. 

I mean, maybe he's right but to be THAT certain is quite something.....

Edited October 31 by Noeller

[Jpan85]

The problem is its not going to be cold. I consider anything over-freezing for playoff football not cold.

[JCon]

8 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I didn't listen to it but I guess Jamie Nye was on WST today and said Sask is gonna beat BC and regardless of who comes out of the WSF, they're definitely going to beat Winnipeg in the final. 

I mean, maybe he's right but to be THAT certain is quite something.....

Nye has a vote. The CFL media sucks. 

[bigg jay]

Just updated by the Bombers... thought there'd be more sold TBH.  The said there was about 3k left a few days ago so that's not far from where they are at now.

Edited October 31 by bigg jay

[Noeller]

It'll be a sellout... They'll paper it if they have to, but all th tickets will be gone 

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

1 hour ago, Goalie said:

I’m one of those waiting until the weather to maybe get tickets. I don’t have a problem with the cold but the almost 10 year old doesn’t wanna sit outside if it’s freezing. 

Be better.

At 10, my pop would mix southern comfort in my sunny d.

After a few slugs from the sippy cup, i never made a peep, plus it prepared me well for adulthood.

[JCon]

9 minutes ago, Pete Catan's Ghost said:

Be better.

At 10, my pop would mix southern comfort in my sunny d.

After a few slugs from the sippy cup, i never made a peep, plus it prepared me well for adulthood.

You got mix? Softie. 

[Atomic]

I have to admit I think BC is gonna smash the Riders and I'm a little worried about facing them in the West Final. They're a different team with the VAJ man. Especially with the possibility of a home Grey Cup.

[WinnipegGordo]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

I didn't listen to it but I guess Jamie Nye was on WST today and said Sask is gonna beat BC and regardless of who comes out of the WSF, they're definitely going to beat Winnipeg in the final. 

I mean, maybe he's right but to be THAT certain is quite something.....

Yeah, I'd like to know his reasoning.

I will say though he was good at guessing winners this year (57-24) so hopefully he's not right again.

Edit: I watched to see why he was picking the Bonbers to lose and he didn't say. He just predicted that either the Lions or Riders were going to win.

Edited October 31 by WinnipegGordo

[BBlink]

The Bombers handled Sask and BC pretty easily this year once they got their **** together. So I'm not sure where that is coming from

[JuranBoldenRules]

2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 

Pretty much. 
 

To get further into it, in a 40 front D (which most teams run) and a Sam lber in coverage your wil and mac have to take inside gaps in the run fits. Then the Sam takes the out side edge gap (c usually) and a half the other side edge gap. Then the S is generally the back up inside if some one blows it. 
 If you play with that alignment, the wil/Mac are stuck between the hash marks. So if the rb hits the flat between the tackle and the side line below the WRs, the lbers just can’t get there in time. Even if they are spying the back when not in run fits, they would have a big gap to close and have to flip their hips and run to the rb, so with a break down field you break the angle from the lber and force them to make a sharp hard pivot which few nfl athletes can do with any momentum. 
 

with all teams running variations of the spread, and the hash change defences have gotten smaller. The Mac is the size wils used to be, and wils are old sams. That means they struggle more to play the gap. If any thing, especially with the amount of read, option, and zone run schemes, you need an extra body inside. 
 

In a D like ours, you either have a lber on hook curl flat or medium interior wall coverage. Then a corner, Sam or half often has the flat. But they seldom are following the rb or taking them into consideration. So that db is generally run off in a pass play. 
 Usually in a heavy run situation you see our lbers in the tackle box. Other wise, they are generally deeper and spread to the tackle width or more. 

 

Here's the thing the smart play designers/callers have mastered though:

The front/alignment doesn't matter beyond the read you're hoping the offense to make pre-snap.

The big difference between JY's D and Richie Hall's is that Richie Hall applied this logic to every level including the DL.  Our DL is way too static and we don't have the right type of ends to run this D.