2024 West Final - Lead Up Chatter

[SpeedFlex27]

2 hours ago, Nolby said:

BC has immense talent, id definitely pluck players from their roster, I just dont believe in Campbell.

I don't think I've seen anyone screw up a qb situation quite like Campbell. Even worse than Leo Cahill in his first go round with the Argos, He had Joe Theisman going in & out alternating on first & second down with Greg Barton at tines during the 1971 season. It was a clown show. 

Edited Wednesday at 02:52 AM by SpeedFlex27

[bb1]

Usually in the playoffs the team with the best defense wins. Add to that the home crowd advantage and i hate to say it but i think Sask is gonna win this one.🤢🥵

[SpeedFlex27]

46 minutes ago, bb1 said:

Usually in the playoffs the team with the best defense wins. Add to that the home crowd advantage and i hate to say it but i think Sask is gonna win this one.🤢🥵

Saskatchewan with the crowd advantage?? 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:20 AM by SpeedFlex27

[SpeedFlex27]

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[Deiter Fan]

Perhaps I've seen too many movies in my day...but I can't help but think if the Riders wind up coming to town they're gonna be a little psyched out after the way the boys beat Montreal. No matter how rational one is there has to be a bit of "divine intervention", "meant to be" in the back of your head. And if/when things start going sideways for them that feeling may only amplify leading to forcing things and making it worse.

I can see it messing with their heads.

Edited Wednesday at 04:37 AM by Deiter Fan

[Booch]

9 hours ago, bb1 said:

Usually in the playoffs the team with the best defense wins. Add to that the home crowd advantage and i hate to say it but i think Sask is gonna win this one.🤢🥵

22k is hardly an advantage

9 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Saskatchewan with the crowd advantage?? 

 

ha...as if eh?...and their "crowd noise" is nothing like ours....and they pipe in some weird droning noise too...it's as obvious as can be

[Zach Schnitzer]

On 2024-10-28 at 8:04 AM, GCn20 said:

Not particularly worried about either of them. Both have soft as butter defences

I am concerned about Sask’s run defence though. Brady got like 40 yards against each. However, he was very effective as a receiver vs Sask which is something we’ll see more of should Sask make it to wf

[Booch]

14 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

I am concerned about Sask’s run defence though. Brady got like 40 yards against each. However, he was very effective as a receiver vs Sask which is something we’ll see more of should Sask make it to wf

Sask secondary and pass defence is one worst in league.....but they have MOP Milligan! lol

If they beat B.C which I doubt....I sure ZC will have a game plan to carve em up...then we release the hounds when they try and adapt

[Zach Schnitzer]

On 2024-10-29 at 8:21 AM, Booch said:

they have stepped in a few times out of nowhere with some bizzare CC over turns....that one you mention being one....yet on a significant play that even to the initial naked eye looked like a clean pick...they just ignored it.....

The only thing I could see was that maybe he bobbled it and didn’t have full control?

[bigg jay]

6 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

The only thing I could see was that maybe he bobbled it and didn’t have full control?

On slow motion replay it looked like maybe the ball was sliding down his chest a tiny bit (very iffy at best)  but that's about it. No way the refs on the field could see that in real time.  The CC should have stepped in.

[Zach Schnitzer]

3 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

On slow motion replay it looked like maybe the ball was sliding down his chest a tiny bit (very iffy at best)  but that's about it. No way the refs on the field could see that in real time.  The CC should have stepped in.

Given the rule that it’s not reviewable unless it’s called a turnover I think refs should just err on the side of caution if it’s close and just call it a turnover and let the CC get it right. It shouldn’t be about whether you’re “embarrassing” the refs, just about getting it right. I think most educated fans understand that close calls need replay and the refs are just human. 

16 minutes ago, Booch said:

Sask secondary and pass defence is one worst in league.....but they have MOP Milligan! lol

If they beat B.C which I doubt....I sure ZC will have a game plan to carve em up...then we release the hounds when they try and adapt

Like they did in the first half of LDC where Zach had 218 yards! 

[bigg jay]

6 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Given the rule that it’s not reviewable unless it’s called a turnover I think refs should just err on the side of caution if it’s close and just call it a turnover and let the CC get it right. It shouldn’t be about whether you’re “embarrassing” the refs, just about getting it right. I think most educated fans understand that close calls need replay and the refs are just human. 

Is it actually a rule though? From their own press release in August, the CFL says the CC can overturn a call that was clearly and obviously wrong.  I thought this one was pretty clear that it was an interception and a quick review would have shown that.  I think part of the problem (at least this season) is they decided mid-season to change how the CC is supposed to work.  To me, that should have been an off-season decision so they could have given the officials/coaches time to adjust and all get on the same page.

Quote

• The Command Centre will only intervene if there is clear evidence that officials have made an obvious error on the field and a correction can occur without causing significant delay.

https://press.cfl.ca/command-centre-operations-refocus-on-clear-and-obvious-principle

[Pete]

15 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Given the rule that it’s not reviewable unless it’s called a turnover I think refs should just err on the side of caution if it’s close and just call it a turnover and let the CC get it right. It shouldn’t be about whether you’re “embarrassing” the refs, just about getting it right. I think most educated fans understand that close calls need replay and the refs are just human. 

Like they did in the first half of LDC where Zach had 218 yards! 

Its the same problem as when a fumble occurs and the refs let it play through. They call it a fumble even though that is not what they actually saw, and because of the ruling on the field it cant be overturned cause it needs clear and obvious evidence to overturn.

   To me the answer is on both potential fumble and interceptions   the play needs to be reviewed using slow motion etc to get call right.

The clear and obvious criteria is good for pass interference and other infractions as the officials call them as they actually see it

Edited Wednesday at 03:17 PM by Pete

[JuranBoldenRules]

16 hours ago, Nolby said:

BC has immense talent, id definitely pluck players from their roster, I just dont believe in Campbell.

They've fallen off in a big way this year.

Their D is a mess because they held back money for Rourke and Betts.

If they win this year it's because they outscore how shitty their D is.

[Pete Catan's Ghost]

Kilam has been with Calgary (in some capacity) since 2005.

That's a hell of a run.

Mind you, their equipment dwarf has been there for 53, so there's that.

Edited Wednesday at 08:41 PM by Pete Catan's Ghost

[GCn20]

2 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

I am concerned about Sask’s run defence though. Brady got like 40 yards against each. However, he was very effective as a receiver vs Sask which is something we’ll see more of should Sask make it to wf

I would be concerned about their run defence if their pass defence was even halfway decent, but it is not and is probably the main reason they were a .500 club. 

26 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

They've fallen off in a big way this year.

Their D is a mess because they held back money for Rourke and Betts.

If they win this year it's because they outscore how shitty their D is.

Their SMS problems become even more substantial next year.

2 hours ago, bigg jay said:

Is it actually a rule though? From their own press release in August, the CFL says the CC can overturn a call that was clearly and obviously wrong.  I thought this one was pretty clear that it was an interception and a quick review would have shown that.  I think part of the problem (at least this season) is they decided mid-season to change how the CC is supposed to work.  To me, that should have been an off-season decision so they could have given the officials/coaches time to adjust and all get on the same page.

https://press.cfl.ca/command-centre-operations-refocus-on-clear-and-obvious-principle

The key being quickly and unfortunately TSN doesn't always provide all the angles in a timely fashion. hence why I believe our spotters in the booth didn't make the call or weren't certain enough for MOS to challenge.

[Rod Black]

2 hours ago, Pete Catan's Ghost said:

Kilam has been with Calgary (in some capacity) since 2005.

That's a hell of a run.

Mind you, their equipment dwarf has been their for 53, so there's that.

We may be on the wrong thread for this discussion but Fine Whine Dickinson did a knee jerk reaction to deeper problems than those coaches. These sweeping coaching changes won’t do ****. 
Next his big brain brother will want the touchdown horsey whacked for something like not celebrating enough. 

[Nolby]

I just want to see Zach finally have an outstanding playoff run stats wise, I don't believe theres been a game yet in the playoffs where hes dominated.

I want to see him be able to go out and put up points, keep the defense fresh, and give the Bombers a chance at all 3 phases being complimentary to eachother......this all includes Buck and play calling too.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:41 AM by Nolby

[blue85gold]

21 minutes ago, Nolby said:

I just want to see Zach finally have an outstanding playoff run stats wise, I don't believe theres been a game yet in the playoffs where he dominated.

I want to him be able to go out and out up points, keep the defense fresh, and give the Bombers a chance at all 3 phases being complimentary to eachother......this all includes Buck and play calling too.

 

Would love to see what ZC and Kenny can do in the dome in the cup. They've had some big games there. 

[17to85]

Yeah if we can get through the west final at home I am hoping we finally see a big grey cup performance from collaros in a climate controlled environment.

[wbbfan]

7 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

I am concerned about Sask’s run defence though. Brady got like 40 yards against each. However, he was very effective as a receiver vs Sask which is something we’ll see more of should Sask make it to wf

9-49, 12-42, 11-43 rushing. 

9-80, 1-9, 6-60 receiving. 

thats 283 yards from scrimmage over 3 games with him. Averaging out to 16 touches yielding 94.33 yards per game. That, in warm weather. 
 I’m mainly concerned if we will use Brady enough. 
 He’s a real hard guy to take away from the O. You can’t really be aggressive in the gaps and the flats with out massive down field problems. 
 I’d really like to see us send Brady on a wheel deep. Teams struggle to get to the flats on him, send him deep and they will have nightmares. 

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

9-49, 12-42, 11-43 rushing. 

9-80, 1-9, 6-60 receiving. 

thats 283 yards from scrimmage over 3 games with him. Averaging out to 16 touches yielding 94.33 yards per game. That, in warm weather. 
 I’m mainly concerned if we will use Brady enough. 
 He’s a real hard guy to take away from the O. You can’t really be aggressive in the gaps and the flats with out massive down field problems. 
 I’d really like to see us send Brady on a wheel deep. Teams struggle to get to the flats on him, send him deep and they will have nightmares. 

I'd like to see any variation(s) off stuff we ran this yr...anything...something....we been so damn predictable...plain and I think easy to scheme against due to our reluctance to do anything different and this bad habit of relying/standing pat with things...seems to have infiltrated a bit from roster, to play calls now....unless we been sitting on something all yr just waiting to bust out now and catch everyone flat footed I see us doing the same ol same ol...because that's just what we do....hope it's enough but have some skepticism and some fears creeping in

May be enough...likely enough to getthru WF but in Grey Cup...The Al's or Argo's will coach our ass off...again...and out scheme us...again

Edited Wednesday at 10:39 PM by Booch

[SpeedFlex27]

9 hours ago, Booch said:

22k is hardly an advantage

ha...as if eh?...and their "crowd noise" is nothing like ours....and they pipe in some weird droning noise too...it's as obvious as can be

They haven't had a crowd advantage since 2019. 

[Zach Schnitzer]

4 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 He’s a real hard guy to take away from the O. You can’t really be aggressive in the gaps and the flats with out massive down field problems. 
 

Can you elaborate on this? I’m interested in what you’re saying but don’t have the schematic knowledge to follow 😀🙏

[Bigblue204]

9 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Can you elaborate on this? I’m interested in what you’re saying but don’t have the schematic knowledge to follow 😀🙏

Basically if your planning on stacking the box, or taking away the run/passes close to or behind the line of scrimmage. You're going to be vulnerable in other areas, specifically for the riders, areas where they have struggled this year ie down field passes to say Lawler or Wilson/demski etc. 

And to be fair, if I'm coming into the PAS and it's cold, this is exactly what I'm doing. Making Collaros beat you. Don't let Brady get into a groove at all. Keep it in the hands of #8.

Edited 14 hours ago by Bigblue204