Dynasty or Disappointment

[Noeller]

21 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Yes it is.  What great depth of football knowledge do you think these journalists possess?

I'm not going to sit here and list every one of his accolades but Ed Tait is one of the most accomplished CFL writers of all time. John Hodge knows less about football than at least a half dozen posters on this board.

[Zach Schnitzer]

16 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Yes it is.  What great depth of football knowledge do you think these journalists possess?

I think this is fair. Darrin knows football but he doesn’t pretend to know the deep X’s and O’s stuff. Tait barely comments on X’s and O’s. 

[Fatty Liver]

24 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm not going to sit here and list every one of his accolades but Ed Tait is one of the most accomplished CFL writers of all time. John Hodge knows less about football than at least a half dozen posters on this board.

Maybe so, but Ed doesn't pretend to know anything about football, he's an accomplished story teller.

[17to85]

Tait is a professional and knows when to talk about things and when he doesn't know enough and avoid talking about it. That's really the biggest key. Don't go writing about **** when you don't know enough to know what you don't know.

[Noeller]

27 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Tait is a professional and knows when to talk about things and when he doesn't know enough and avoid talking about it. That's really the biggest key. Don't go writing about **** when you don't know enough to know what you don't know.

Ya... Leave that to 3DN and The Athletic....

[WinnipegGordo]

Dynasty or Disappointment:

For the Bombers to reach dynasty level I think they would need to win the Cup this year and then at home in 2025.

Sure winning the Cup this year would be awesome but I feel that there will be so much focus on the Bombers winning at home that it would be disappointing if they don't.

4 Grey Cups in 6 years would be a dynasty.

 

[Wanna-B-Fanboy]

Dynasty or Disappointment?

Why the two extremes?

They can not be a Dynasty and still not be a Disappointment. 

These last 5 years have been FUCKINGAWESOME!!!. Maybe not a Dynasty... but certainly a football org worthy of all of our Fandom (good and bad). 

Dynasty... it's like trying to define a historical era... you can't until it's run it's course. Years later we can look back and see if these were the years of a Dynasty or if they were just some MF'n awesome years... 

But Disappointment? Sure, there has been some Disappointingvthings that has happened and will undoubtedly happen in the near future... But, Nah- they, as an Org are not a Disappointment- you know they care, put in the work, always try to put a great product on the field and tryvto make a great fan experience.... 

Just enjoy the run with all its highs and lows...- it's a gooder.

[Noeller]

I honestly couldn't care less about labels.... But what else do you call 4 straight division titles, at least two of which were clinched nearly midway through the season? 

[rebusrankin]

Its been a great run and something that myself and likely many here never thought possible prior to 2019 and its magic.

[wbbfan]

6 hours ago, Noeller said:

I'm not going to sit here and list every one of his accolades but Ed Tait is one of the most accomplished CFL writers of all time. John Hodge knows less about football than at least a half dozen posters on this board.

 

5 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Tait is a professional and knows when to talk about things and when he doesn't know enough and avoid talking about it. That's really the biggest key. Don't go writing about **** when you don't know enough to know what you don't know.

I really really love reading great writers and listening to great story tellers. Ed Tait is as good and talented as any writer you will find in media, in any era. His narrative voice in writing is superb. He’s one of the few newsmen who is as good on radio and tv. 
 
Back in the day at the freep, his reviews and write ups of practices and camps were extraordinary. He’s asked the team smart, hard, thought provoking questions. 
 I totally get why he took this job. He gets to do what he loves all the time with all the job security. He pulls his punches now and is a part of the guys who was taking it easy in the time before. Bob did it too, turner. 
 

Also, the reason the media is broken, is not entirely their fault. We all know how badly it was broken by Kelly. It’s never bounced back from that, and the success brought more fluff and relaxation rather than raising the level of coverage. 

[Bigblue204]

Some say 5 years. For me it's been 8. This team has been anywhere from very competitive to all time great in that time. Already a dynasty imo as well. I know people want championships for that label, but in today's CFL this level of consistency is pretty improbable. 

[Noeller]

Another part of it is how many players from this run are going to be in the CFL HOF, BB Ring of Honour, or BB HOF. 

There's a LOT of guys that are going to receive at least some accolades when their careers are done.... And that factors into the dynasty thing. 

[17to85]

36 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Some say 5 years. For me it's been 8. This team has been anywhere from very competitive to all time great in that time. Already a dynasty imo as well. I know people want championships for that label, but in today's CFL this level of consistency is pretty improbable. 

This is a good point.  Took them a while to get over the calgary hump because the stamps were good back then. 

[Zach Schnitzer]

3 hours ago, wbbfan said:

 

I really really love reading great writers and listening to great story tellers. Ed Tait is as good and talented as any writer you will find in media, in any era. His narrative voice in writing is superb. He’s one of the few newsmen who is as good on radio and tv. 
 
Back in the day at the freep, his reviews and write ups of practices and camps were extraordinary. He’s asked the team smart, hard, thought provoking questions. 
 I totally get why he took this job. He gets to do what he loves all the time with all the job security. He pulls his punches now and is a part of the guys who was taking it easy in the time before. Bob did it too, turner. 
 

Also, the reason the media is broken, is not entirely their fault. We all know how badly it was broken by Kelly. It’s never bounced back from that, and the success brought more fluff and relaxation rather than raising the level of coverage. 

Media was broken by Mike Kelly? Interesting. Tell me more. 

[WinnipegGordo]

44 minutes ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Media was broken by Mike Kelly? Interesting. Tell me more. 

He rubbed some media the wrong way by installing new rules with respect to practices etc.

He limited what times media could film practices and guys like Joe Pascucci had a fit.

Kelly was actually ahead of his time as the no filming/ no pictures rules are common place now.

 

[SpeedFlex27]

15 hours ago, 17to85 said:

Some people mistake being connected for being knowledgeable. Hodge is a fantastic example. It's why with a doofus like suitor it's so frustrating... guy could put in a little shred of work to parlay his position and access into something insightful... instead we get the same bland **** regurgitated ad nauseum every single game.

It's hard when Suitor has to do 2 or even 3 games a weekend. He barely has enough time to fly from Vancouver for a Friday evening game to Winnipeg on a Saturday afternoon. Working on a little bit of sleep he has to prepare for the second game on a plane or while waiting at the airport. It affects his commentary & you sure can tell at times that Suitor is unprepared & doing it on the fly. TSN needs one more full time broadcast crew. 

[Booch]

being connected....and knowledgeable....and also "connected" are 2 different beasts

Some of the insider info you will be given will be canned and minimal and almost at times a big nothing burger when you wear a media badge or are lumped into that pile.

The real insider info or insight is connected to guys still attached to the game and have the connections not based on media....huge difference

People see stuff from the outside...assume a lot....and even also just tow the line and believe a narrative put out by media....as it came from "the team"  and believe it as 100 percent gospel....as for most part if a player is asked on record he as well is gonna tow the line...say the "right" thing and not rock a boat ...throw anyone under the bus....or question a decision...etc...

It's the trust with connections from being non-media where you get...hear...see the off the record stuff that is the real vibe....and trust me as much as the media trumpets it....fans glorify and defend it....sound bites seem to support it......it's never all koombya and lollypop and marsh mellow clouds....and if you believe it is...I have a bunch of stuff to sell you all 

[Rich]

23 minutes ago, Booch said:

being connected....and knowledgeable....and also "connected" are 2 different beasts

Some of the insider info you will be given will be canned and minimal and almost at times a big nothing burger when you wear a media badge or are lumped into that pile.

The real insider info or insight is connected to guys still attached to the game and have the connections not based on media....huge difference

People see stuff from the outside...assume a lot....and even also just tow the line and believe a narrative put out by media....as it came from "the team"  and believe it as 100 percent gospel....as for most part if a player is asked on record he as well is gonna tow the line...say the "right" thing and not rock a boat ...throw anyone under the bus....or question a decision...etc...

It's the trust with connections from being non-media where you get...hear...see the off the record stuff that is the real vibe....and trust me as much as the media trumpets it....fans glorify and defend it....sound bites seem to support it......it's never all koombya and lollypop and marsh mellow clouds....and if you believe it is...I have a bunch of stuff to sell you all 

Can't claim to have ever been in a professional sports team's dressing room, but I think all people need to do is look at their own work places and see the dynamics and clashes that happen there.   Then amp it up when you add in the fact you have 50ish high performing athletes with the egos and belief they have in themselves to get to this level.

[wbbfan]

11 hours ago, Zach Schnitzer said:

Media was broken by Mike Kelly? Interesting. Tell me more. 

 

10 hours ago, WinnipegGordo said:

He rubbed some media the wrong way by installing new rules with respect to practices etc.

He limited what times media could film practices and guys like Joe Pascucci had a fit.

Kelly was actually ahead of his time as the no filming/ no pictures rules are common place now.

 

He rubbed every one raw. You’re correct that he was ahead of the curve in those areas. But his treatment of media, and any scrutiny was that of a child mad with power. 
 

We would’ve lost some of the coverage in terms of injury specifics and struggles in camp/practice. But we would’ve gotten some coverage. Not the, “we didn’t realize so and so didn’t even show up for camp for 2-3 weeks” stuff. 
 

 we went from an extreme in terms of access, and freedom for those covering the bombers, to the micro managed control freak nightmare, back to a reasonable environment. But the freedom from Kelly brought in the old boys club righting fluff era. The old guys just didn’t have it in them to go back at it with piss and vinegar.
  Now the mafia is back to a tight grip, though not dickish, and basically control the media narrative.  

[HardCoreBlue]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

 

He rubbed every one raw. You’re correct that he was ahead of the curve in those areas. But his treatment of media, and any scrutiny was that of a child mad with power. 
 

We would’ve lost some of the coverage in terms of injury specifics and struggles in camp/practice. But we would’ve gotten some coverage. Not the, “we didn’t realize so and so didn’t even show up for camp for 2-3 weeks” stuff. 
 

 we went from an extreme in terms of access, and freedom for those covering the bombers, to the micro managed control freak nightmare, back to a reasonable environment. But the freedom from Kelly brought in the old boys club righting fluff era. The old guys just didn’t have it in them to go back at it with piss and vinegar.
  Now the mafia is back to a tight grip, though not dickish, and basically control the media narrative.  

The football thing I most disliked about Kelly was his disdain for Bomber fans. You could feel his arrogance towards us and others.

He can be used to teach other HC's in 'Here's what not to do'.

[17to85]

52 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

The football thing I most disliked about Kelly was his disdain for Bomber fans. You could feel his arrogance towards us and others.

He can be used to teach other HC's in 'Here's what not to do'.

The moment he ripped into Bob Irving for daring to be critical after yet another embarrassing showing is example 1 in how not to deal with your media. Irving is a hall of fame broadcaster who polished innumerable turds for that team while still maintaining a hell of a lot of objectivity.  You disrespect him who has literally seen it all in the cfl you disrespect your entire fanbase in the process.

[Super Duper Negatron]

I have decided that losing our last game in 3 consecutive years to Kelly, Fajardo and the Riders would make this era a failure akin to the Tim Burke debacle.

Mostly joking.

Mostly.

#dontlose

Edited November 4 by Super Duper Negatron

[BaconNBigBlue]

Hard to believe there are 3 pages on this thread.  If you don't like what someone posts just ignore it and move on.  No need to get your knickers in a knot, it's not good for the ticker!

 

[brett_c_b]

On 2024-11-03 at 5:10 PM, rebusrankin said:

Its been a great run and something that myself and likely many here never thought possible prior to 2019 and its magic.

You didn't believe Mike Kelly or Jim Daley or Tim Burke could get these kind of results? 

[rebusrankin]

2 minutes ago, brett_c_b said:

You didn't believe Mike Kelly or Jim Daley or Tim Burke could get these kind of results? 

No. Non. Nyet. Nien.