Riders at Bombers WF Chat

[Mike]

11 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Especially when Tom Higgins still needs a job.  Are we stupid?

I’m not worried about the lack of a clear replacement, nor am I bothered by a single loss.

If we go down the same way we’ve been going down, how much longer are we just going to accept it

[Goalie]

Just now, Mike said:

I’m not worried about the lack of a clear replacement, nor am I bothered by a single loss.

If we go down the same way we’ve been going down, how much longer are we just going to accept it

What if they win? 

[Booch]

16 minutes ago, Mike said:

If we lose tomorrow and the script looks like ineffective DL play and or lacklustre work from Kyrie, it should (but won’t) cost O’Shea his job.

if for anything some serious....serious discussions on whats going on as that would be 3 yrs running with stupidity costing us

6 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

6 DL with 2 being subpar is frustrating.

Walters needs to not bring some guys back next year to save MOS from his worst tendencies. 

agree....some guys should not be resigned...and a couple with contracts already for 2025 should be pruned before January.....we all know damn well that if he has access to them..Biggie...Thomas..Kolo...Wilson...BA...will all be taking unlimited reps

2 minutes ago, Goalie said:

What if they win? 

u wont like the answer...as u are already poo poing about it...but it will be a win despite the lunacy...or in spite of it....call it whatever u like and will just allow it to continue into 2025....

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

I’m not worried about the lack of a clear replacement, nor am I bothered by a single loss.

If we go down the same way we’ve been going down, how much longer are we just going to accept it

Culture and how we run this team will not change with a new HC...it's ingrained here from top to bottom....if anything players will be less complacent as a new HC may park them on bench if under producing....and most likely a new guy plays best available talent...not favorites and long in tooth vets....I'm not worried either with a change

I'd be more worried about Miller getting canned...McManus and his team and Walters than I am with any coach...

[HardCoreBlue]

4 minutes ago, Booch said:

if for anything some serious....serious discussions on whats going on as that would be 3 yrs running with stupidity costing us

agree....some guys should not be resigned...and a couple with contracts already for 2025 should be pruned before January.....we all know damn well that if he has access to them..Biggie...Thomas..Kolo...Wilson...BA...will all be taking unlimited reps

u wont like the answer...as u are already poo poing about it...but it will be a win despite the lunacy...or in spite of it....call it whatever u like and will just allow it to continue into 2025....

Regardless of where one sit's with this discussion about MOS, the optics of letting go MOS when looking at our previous regime records would be insanely, lets just say, not positive imo.

[GCn20]

Glad I was away the last couple days. If we lose its on MOS, if we win it's despite of him is the summary of the past couple pages. SmH...This topic really gets tedious. MOS is a first rate CFL coach that we would have to be off our rocker to fire.

Edited November 8 by GCn20

[17to85]

30 minutes ago, bustamente said:

If the Bombers plan is to rush 3 with some kind of blitz packages we may have some major problems, yes we have a pretty good group of db's but they can't cover forever. 

So with Trevor Harris you'll never need to cover for ever. Dude is all about throwing his short passes quickly. I can envision what they're going to try and do, if it works remains to be seen.

I just don't understand why people are expecting anything different from the D this year... DL has been an afterthought all season. Wasn't going to change now. It's worked on D thus far let's just trust it.

[wbbfan]

6 hours ago, Booch said:

oh my....brutal dline ....pathetic more like it....not having a good feeling here at all now

Wilson as  GTD....tells u he aint ready nd if we start him.....oh my...Osh just Oshin ....again....We gonna see Thomas all fricken game being useless

Hopefully MOP ZC shows up and puts up 30+ points

Guessing Cole will be in only if kyrie scratches. Hope he Wilson sits. 
 Dl is ugly. Fox is a bit of a strange pick unless the others weren’t healthy. If he gets hurt we are screwed. Haba back in for some reason. All of our ni depth is kick cover, fb and ol. Kelly is basically the only back up ni who can play a position or skill position, or position that requires running lol. Him and Augustine. 
 

If we lose, it will un questionably fall on line play, and no depth. 
 

Taylor drawing in as the dime makes sense. The rest of the imp dbs like bridges etc have been meh. If he’s healthy and sharp he could excel in our system. That said, idk the last time he took a competitive snap in a play off game, or stretch game. 
 

most of the changes are what I’d expect. My question is, are we that banged up on the dl, or did we just handicap our self? 

[JCon]

Now we're firing MOS if he loses the West Final? 

[wbbfan]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So with Trevor Harris you'll never need to cover for ever. Dude is all about throwing his short passes quickly. I can envision what they're going to try and do, if it works remains to be seen.

I just don't understand why people are expecting anything different from the D this year... DL has been an afterthought all season. Wasn't going to change now. It's worked on D thus far let's just trust it.

It’s all gonna be about the don’t break. If we let Harris drive and force them to kick fgs at best, we will be in position to win. 

[bustamente]

Win or lose Osh is going nowhere unless he wants to

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

Now we're firing MOS if he loses the West Final? 

It’s fair to question firing coaches after a certain amount of finals loses. It happens in football. 
 That said, it won’t happen. And I don’t think it should. I don’t think we have access to a better candidate for next year. Mos needs leadership from above to help him progress. He struggles with making the hard decision on old guys who helped us win ships in the past. That’s understandable. It’s the job of the gm and president to progress him and put him in a situation to succeed. Mos has a lot of great strengths. His weaknesses are clear. Our best chance to win going forward is developing him. 
 

Part of that is not bringing back guys like Jake. Another part is an oc that can progress our offence. 
 

If the D does their job and keeps ssk under 30, especially under the low to mid 20s, and we lose, buck should probably be fired. It is possible that it happens and it isn’t on him, but it’s not likely. 

4 minutes ago, bustamente said:

Win or lose Osh is going nowhere unless he wants to

No chance he wants to leave either. Hes as much a bomber now, as he was an Argo as a player. 

[rebusrankin]

23 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

So with Trevor Harris you'll never need to cover for ever. Dude is all about throwing his short passes quickly. I can envision what they're going to try and do, if it works remains to be seen.

I just don't understand why people are expecting anything different from the D this year... DL has been an afterthought all season. Wasn't going to change now. It's worked on D thus far let's just trust it.

To quote Dave Mustaine, I wish I could trust

[Pete]

What is perplexing is we've had all year to find a db we can trust as backup and we have to add a 36 year old retread for the western final. Our practice roster is not good

[Booch]

6 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

It’s fair to question firing coaches after a certain amount of finals loses. It happens in football. 
 That said, it won’t happen. And I don’t think it should. I don’t think we have access to a better candidate for next year. Mos needs leadership from above to help him progress. He struggles with making the hard decision on old guys who helped us win ships in the past. That’s understandable. It’s the job of the gm and president to progress him and put him in a situation to succeed. Mos has a lot of great strengths. His weaknesses are clear. Our best chance to win going forward is developing him. 
 

Part of that is not bringing back guys like Jake. Another part is an oc that can progress our offence. 
 

If the D does their job and keeps ssk under 30, especially under the low to mid 20s, and we lose, buck should probably be fired. It is possible that it happens and it isn’t on him, but it’s not likely. 

No chance he wants to leave either. Hes as much a bomber now, as he was an Argo as a player. 

people dont understand in football....that sustained failures never give you security....and also refusal to change doesn't either....if we bow out...even before the Grey Cup thats 3 fails in a row....and for most part for similar reasons....how long do you keep doing the same thing and failing?....to me...u get 3 strikes....and a sit down with your bosses to "discuss"

Depth and reliance on old players....old ways...that worked at one point...not exceptionally well now...and bad habits/traits has what's ailed us....we had success....3 yrs ago now.....the last 2 seasons were nice...but not succesful...this season was a mess for various reasons...and according to all the press...we are as healthy as we have been....all yr...Woods I can see maybe not 100 percent....but then again....when has Osh sat a vet who wasnt before.....no need to revisit that and get some of your weak lil mindsets all in a hissy fit....but you know....it's happed as recently as...hmmm...last 2 Grey Cups incase you forgot...how'd tose turn out after the splendid reg. season record?

We had all yr to allocate depth in key spots where injuries can be an issue...the respective lines....LB...yet we sat on 3...4 guys on PR as receivers who were below average at best...a couple DB's who keep getting bypassed....because apparently according to someone everyone in the building can help us win...well I see several in building where thats not the case.....but also several where it is....but they get bypassed

Taylor brings value...smarts....and I know he is in tip top shape....but he hasnt played since last yr's WSF....To think he wont have some rust...reaction and mental is foolish....same with Wilson...heck of a player when healthy and in a groove...is he healthy?....and he certainly will be in no groove....falling back on the yeah but's for a cup win in 2019 and 2021 and successful seasons.....but failure in the playoffs ...and llok how bad we sucked prior to Osh is also pointless....We also didnt have a legit management group and support staff then either...You think Walters and Miller would not do due diligence and hire a moron?....nobody says fire anybody immediately....and certainly they wont running up into the 2025 Grey Cup at home chance....but a epic flop again...for similar reasons...at minimum a talk has to be made and some upper management direction given...this is a what have you done for me now business, and where are you taking us...not a free pass business for prior work...Gonna be an interesting game...we should win....but I have a hard time seeing us getting Sask offence off the field with the makeup of our front 7....unless they have some funky assed scheme they gonna unload on the CFL tomorrow and blow our minds.....That being said...we run that defence out vs MTL/TOR....well settle in for an off-season of Osh for last 3 Cups....heckle me all you want....but playing out like before...and hate to say I told u so...... again......

 

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

What is perplexing is we've had all year to find a db we can trust as backup and we have to add a 36 year old retread for the western final. Our practice roster is not good

our PR has been a baren wasteland all yr...2 yrs running pretty much

[Mike]

It’s not losing the game. It’s why. And what we’re not learning from it.

 

for the record I think we’re gonna win the Grey Cup 

[wbbfan]

39 minutes ago, Pete said:

What is perplexing is we've had all year to find a db we can trust as backup and we have to add a 36 year old retread for the western final. Our practice roster is not good

True, but we have run through bridges, karamoko, and McGhee. They did try to develop those guys and gave them more than enough chances. And we did find/develop a good few this year. Far more than most teams. But yeah. Especially when we saw a couple good ones hit free agency mid season. 
 

20 minutes ago, Mike said:

It’s not losing the game. It’s why. And what we’re not learning from it.

 

for the record I think we’re gonna win the Grey Cup 

Yup. 
 

40 minutes ago, Booch said:

people dont understand in football....that sustained failures never give you security....and also refusal to change doesn't either....if we bow out...even before the Grey Cup thats 3 fails in a row....and for most part for similar reasons....how long do you keep doing the same thing and failing?....to me...u get 3 strikes....and a sit down with your bosses to "discuss"

Depth and reliance on old players....old ways...that worked at one point...not exceptionally well now...and bad habits/traits has what's ailed us....we had success....3 yrs ago now.....the last 2 seasons were nice...but not succesful...this season was a mess for various reasons...and according to all the press...we are as healthy as we have been....all yr...Woods I can see maybe not 100 percent....but then again....when has Osh sat a vet who wasnt before.....no need to revisit that and get some of your weak lil mindsets all in a hissy fit....but you know....it's happed as recently as...hmmm...last 2 Grey Cups incase you forgot...how'd tose turn out after the splendid reg. season record?

We had all yr to allocate depth in key spots where injuries can be an issue...the respective lines....LB...yet we sat on 3...4 guys on PR as receivers who were below average at best...a couple DB's who keep getting bypassed....because apparently according to someone everyone in the building can help us win...well I see several in building where thats not the case.....but also several where it is....but they get bypassed

Taylor brings value...smarts....and I know he is in tip top shape....but he hasnt played since last yr's WSF....To think he wont have some rust...reaction and mental is foolish....same with Wilson...heck of a player when healthy and in a groove...is he healthy?....and he certainly will be in no groove....falling back on the yeah but's for a cup win in 2019 and 2021 and successful seasons.....but failure in the playoffs ...and llok how bad we sucked prior to Osh is also pointless....We also didnt have a legit management group and support staff then either...You think Walters and Miller would not do due diligence and hire a moron?....nobody says fire anybody immediately....and certainly they wont running up into the 2025 Grey Cup at home chance....but a epic flop again...for similar reasons...at minimum a talk has to be made and some upper management direction given...this is a what have you done for me now business, and where are you taking us...not a free pass business for prior work...Gonna be an interesting game...we should win....but I have a hard time seeing us getting Sask offence off the field with the makeup of our front 7....unless they have some funky assed scheme they gonna unload on the CFL tomorrow and blow our minds.....That being said...we run that defence out vs MTL/TOR....well settle in for an off-season of Osh for last 3 Cups....heckle me all you want....but playing out like before...and hate to say I told u so...... again......

 

our PR has been a baren wasteland all yr...2 yrs running pretty much

yeah. We’ve mainly improved this year from old worse guys getting hurt while new guys step up. The positions we identified as needs to improve and get younger at, didn’t succeed.  Wr play was worse, de play much worse, kr insanely worse than grant. That also falls on Walter’s as well. 
 

 

[SpeedFlex27]

"Mike O'Shea says we got this." 

Edited November 9 by SpeedFlex27

[Dodge and Burn]

Save to assume they will run well and Harris will have time to complete a bunch of balls. It's the redzone defense that will determine if we win. If we can hold them to fgs we should be ok. 

[Tracker]

9 hours ago, Booch said:

yeah true....that being said, we seen guys who were 100 percent hurt and dressed before

No Adams tho makes zero sense....If Osh thinks Thomas and Schmeck are good enough...let alone gonna make any impact he is clearly not as smart as many people give him credit for

Just the fact that you are dressing Taylor....who has played zero games...Wilson who has played a handful of games in the first 3rd of season and clearly isnt 100 percent ready, and BA who has missed a few....in a win or go home game is suicide....vet guy not withstanding...there will be rust....especially recognition rust and game speed reaction lag...takes a bit to get it back....talking from experience...this is NOT the game to let guys work it out....a couple even minor miscues/hiccups can and will be the difference of going to Vancouver or going to get your Hefty bag to pack your **** up....Osh as a player should know this....but he gonna dress his Fav's and vets regardless of if they are the best option...again..Osh gonna Osh....

Agreed. By this time of the season, all of the wrinkles should be ironed out and injuries compensated for. O'Shea has a LOT of goodwill in the bank in Winnipeg, but even the other very successful coaches in the CFL eventually lost their mojo and had to be replaced. Some of his decisions have been real head-shakers and it seems to me that they have been increasing. I would love to see him shake off his foibles and dazzle us all.

Edited November 9 by Tracker

[SectionKBlackout]

I'm going to go out on a limb and trust the guys who know what they are doing, set us up for a massive win streak and saw that the defensive lineup we had against Montreal wasn't cutting it. If the offense scores one or two more tds then fgs we blow this game open. If not it's going to the wire.

[HardCoreBlue]

6 minutes ago, Dodge and Burn said:

Save to assume they will run well and Harris will have time to complete a bunch of balls. It's the redzone defense that will determine if we win. If we can hold them to fgs we should be ok. 

Put Trevor Harris in second and longs would be advantageous said captain obvious.

[Nolby]

2 hours ago, Dodge and Burn said:

Save to assume they will run well and Harris will have time to complete a bunch of balls. It's the redzone defense that will determine if we win. If we can hold them to fgs we should be ok. 

I just wonder if the Bombers are happy with the simple dline configuration we'll be putting out tomorrow because they're not too worried about AJ or Armstead being too big a factor.

Sask wont win simply by putting the game on the backs of their RB's, we likely have a great game plan to stop, or slow Harris down in the air, I just hope their game plan wasn't to run it down our throats because we sure gave them hope with this line up.

Edited November 9 by Nolby

[JuranBoldenRules]

4 hours ago, Mike said:

I’m not worried about the lack of a clear replacement, nor am I bothered by a single loss.

If we go down the same way we’ve been going down, how much longer are we just going to accept it

There's a lot to be said for being in these games.  Can't win Grey Cups if you can't get here.

From 94 to 24 we've hosted 7 Division Finals...4 of them in the last 4 years.  We gotta have a little perspective here.  O'Shea isn't Doug Berry for fucks sake.

I think there's some staleness on the personnel side.  Watching both preseason games it's not like we had anyone here that was a good rush end.  We had a bunch of useless receivers/returners for 2-3 jobs. 

For all the fretting about the DL there's one game in the past 2 seasons we lost because of them, and we still would have won it without a brutal pick six against....the Ottawa game last year.  We are winning and losing based on Collaros and the O.  All the money is on the O.  

Don't personally mind the coaching overall.  Losing Schoen knocked our O down a couple pegs.  We somehow only lost 1 game without Wolitarsky but I fear we will miss him big time here.

[White Out]

In 24 hours I hope to be booking my flight to Vancouver.

[Noeller]

Don't s'pose anybody know anybody selling a single eh? Got someone maybe looking...