Riders at Bombers WF Chat

[JCon]

  On 2024-11-08 at 7:59 PM, BomberBall. said:

I could be wrong, but I feel like you got the response you were hoping for.  Why does it matter how many of his tackles were catching the ball carrier from behind?  Adams is a solid contributor on a D line that needs his skill set.  Do you not think he should be in the lineup?

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Maybe, but there's not much of a drop-off if he's not. We didn't get pressure all year, even with Adams in. So, why the hyperventilating each week? 

[Pepper_Brooks]

  On 2024-11-08 at 7:39 PM, 17to85 said:

Jake Thomas with the lions share of snaps has 2.... just saying....

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Fair point, weird year for sacks totals league wide.

But if you need to compare him to JT to make his stats pop, well.....

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[Booch]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:01 PM, GCJenks said:

I am pretty sure one had the QB chased into his arms and basically he got tackled by the QB and got credit for the sack and the other was also a QB pursued into his reach. 

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yup...was gonna mention that...he after being tied up..spun backwards and when finally got his bearings had a QB flushed right into his waiting gut....solid contribution....and on the PPF score sheet he would have got high grades for that...as the other DT busted pocket and the ends turned the qb up to climb the pocket and escape...but get zero credit

[bearpants]

Getting pressure was my biggest concern going into this game... needless to say it is amplified now... I expect Harris to have a lot of time in the pocket... hopefully we have something up our sleeve to mitigate this...

[Bigblue204]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:04 PM, Pepper_Brooks said:

Fair point, weird year for sacks totals league wide.

But if you need to compare him to JT to make his stats pop, well.....

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And if you immediately abandon your argument when someone shows you how flawed it is...well

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:06 PM, bearpants said:

Getting pressure was my biggest concern going into this game... needless to say it is amplified now... I expect Harris to have a lot of time in the pocket... hopefully we have something up our sleeve to mitigate this...

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getting pressure is one thing. Stopping the run is my biggest concern. Need to make that O one dimensional. 6 DL isn't gonna cut it imo. Saying that....I've been wrong about most of my worries pretty well all season so why stop now!!!!

[coach17]

Let em talk! For the W , Always!     

 

[blue85gold]

Getting pressure on Harris is tough at the best of times because he gets the ball out so quick. 

We had what we thought was the best Dline rostered last game against Mtl and they didn't generate any pressure it is all moot. 

Agree with a few posters above that my biggest worry with the Dline is against the run. They have been susceptible to big runs all year and Armstead is dangerous. Oulette hasn't been great this year but can explode at times. (Nightmare flashbacks to the 2003 playoffs and Kenton Keith)

[17to85]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:01 PM, GCJenks said:

I am pretty sure one had the QB chased into his arms and basically he got tackled by the QB and got credit for the sack and the other was also a QB pursued into his reach. 

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If it was anything else I'd be skeptical 

[BomberBall.]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:03 PM, JCon said:

Maybe, but there's not much of a drop-off if he's not. We didn't get pressure all year, even with Adams in. So, why the hyperventilating each week? 

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I don’t think anyone is saying Adams is the player to save our pressure problems, but he has 4 sacks, playing mainly as a DT, and limited snaps.   Our D line is weaker without him and we’re only dressing 6.  And one of them is Thomas.  That’s a problem.

[Super Duper Negatron]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:25 PM, BomberBall. said:

I don’t think anyone is saying Adams is the player to save our pressure problems, but he has 4 sacks, playing mainly as a DT, and limited snaps.   Our D line is weaker without him and we’re only dressing 6.  And one of them is Thomas.  That’s a problem.

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Especially when Haba gets injured in the first quarter.

[Pepper_Brooks]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:09 PM, Bigblue204 said:

And if you immediately abandon your argument when someone shows you how flawed it is...well

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I did? Where? Admitting He's marginally better than JT stat wise is abandoning my argument? Lol 🤡

[Noeller]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:16 PM, coach17 said:

Let em talk! For the W , Always!     

 

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This is super weird being voiced by an imaging voice and not one of the players....

[JuranBoldenRules]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:18 PM, blue85gold said:

Getting pressure on Harris is tough at the best of times because he gets the ball out so quick. 

We had what we thought was the best Dline rostered last game against Mtl and they didn't generate any pressure it is all moot. 

Agree with a few posters above that my biggest worry with the Dline is against the run. They have been susceptible to big runs all year and Armstead is dangerous. Oulette hasn't been great this year but can explode at times. (Nightmare flashbacks to the 2003 playoffs and Kenton Keith)

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That's more of a whole of defense problem but if I'm another team I'm running at Jefferson all day and running RPO at him all day.  It's a free 8 yards.

[17to85]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:35 PM, Pepper_Brooks said:

I did? Where? Admitting He's marginally better than JT stat wise is abandoning my argument? Lol 🤡

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If you do a stats per snap you'd see it's far more than marginally

[Pepper_Brooks]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:41 PM, 17to85 said:

If you do a stats per snap you'd see it's far more than marginally

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It's Jake Thomas we're talking about still.... Low bar. I can run a 40 quicker than Jake and I'm retired and chronically ill.

[captaincanuck12]

Well at this point its pointless to argue who's stats are better and who should be on or off the field.  Not a Thomas fan at all and really hope he is limited in reps.

Bottom line is that these boys better be ready to play and make a statement in our barn.   Get the W and make it 5 straight cup appearances.

[Super Duper Negatron]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:35 PM, Noeller said:

This is super weird being voiced by an imaging voice and not one of the players....

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Yeah, not their best work.

[HardCoreBlue]

  On 2024-11-08 at 8:55 PM, captaincanuck12 said:

Well at this point its pointless to argue who's stats are better and who should be on or off the field.  Not a Thomas fan at all and really hope he is limited in reps.

Bottom line is that these boys better be ready to play and make a statement in our barn.   Get the W and make it 5 straight cup appearances.

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That's got a real nice ring to it.

At least we can all agree here on MBB when everything is all said and done about our team's (Coach, Players etc) flaws is that the Riders will for ever and ever suck, amen.

(incoming @TBURGESS post to counter my Riders suck comment) . 🙂

[17to85]

  On 2024-11-08 at 9:10 PM, HardCoreBlue said:

Riders will for ever and ever suck, amen.

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As it is, as it was, as it ever shall be.

[Booch]

it's not so much who is better than who...tho Thomas is by far our worst dlineman...Schmeck right with him...It's more a matter of we are dressing only 6....2 of whom are sub par at best.

Playoff football....more conducive for running....and where we are playing a QB who thrives with time in pocket, and if he can get a run game going with it....lord help us.....and we roster arguably our weakest dline rotation of the yr...by far.

I just dont see the logic...reasoning....or decision behind it

[Mike]

If we lose tomorrow and the script looks like ineffective DL play and or lacklustre work from Kyrie, it should (but won’t) cost O’Shea his job.

[JuranBoldenRules]

  On 2024-11-08 at 9:31 PM, Mike said:

If we lose tomorrow and the script looks like ineffective DL play and or lacklustre work from Kyrie, it should (but won’t) cost O’Shea his job.

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Especially when Tom Higgins still needs a job.  Are we stupid?

[bustamente]

If the Bombers plan is to rush 3 with some kind of blitz packages we may have some major problems, yes we have a pretty good group of db's but they can't cover forever. 

[rebusrankin]

6 DL with 2 being subpar is frustrating.

Walters needs to not bring some guys back next year to save MOS from his worst tendencies. 

[HardCoreBlue]

  On 2024-11-08 at 9:35 PM, bustamente said:

If the Bombers plan is to rush 3 with some kind of blitz packages we may have some major problems, yes we have a pretty good group of db's but they can't cover forever. 

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Yup DB's can't cover for ever. Best case scenario is maybe we hear 'coverage sack'. I'll take that.