Riders at Bombers WF Chat

[17to85]

We won back to back on labour day and the banjo bowl. This riders team isn't some big bad scary threat. Harris will dink, then he will dunk and like last night will settle for field goals. 

[Dr Zaius]

I'm not as concerned about our D. Harris will dink and dunk, and our D will be susceptible to it, but they tend not give up the 7s, and Harris hates scoring 7s.

I'm concerned about lack of creativity on O. I don't want to see the Rider's D-line push through our O-line, and consistently put ourselves in second and long with Brady getting 2, 3 yards a carry.

I think this one needs to be a bit more of a shootout than we're used to. But I can't see Buck and O'shea deviating from the grinding gameplan. 

[ddanger]

I watched the Sask/BC game and was surprised/shocked at how poorly BC's secondary played. They just didn't seem very engaged. I think the crowd noise in Sask really affected BC's offence. Early in the season BC looked like they were going to run away with the cup, and man, whatta epic collapse. Shoulda picked Sask dammit!

So my early thoughts are that we will have our crowd noise, and we ain't BC.Our secondary is way better than what BC displayed yesterday. Game will be close. 

[3rdand1.5]

Sask. has a good d-line, they will get pressure.......a lot of the final outcome of this game will be how we handle this pressure. I don't believe we can stop it, so we /Buck needs to figure out how to slow it down, and use the aggressive Sask. D-line to our advantage. IF Lucky is closer to healthy and his speed and "twitch" is back he could be a very valuable asset this game.....we started to see him used in some motion, I will take a healthy Lucky one on one against a Sask LB or DB outside the tackles......Brady is not really an off tackle kind of back, Zach does have success with his right roll out's so no doubt Sask. will be looking for some contain....IMO in the BC game it was the interior guys overpowering the BC interior and collapsing the pocket on VAJ that caused most of the damage......This does worry me as our interior has not been great and Zach doesn't have the athletic ability VAJ does.......I would love to see us run at and stretch Betts....IMO he is very athletic and quick, but he is not great or disciplined against the run.....IMO he will/does get caught over pursuing and is something we can take advantage of...

 

I really do believe that the biggest factor in the outcome of this game is our o-line vs. their d-line.......whichever line is more physical will be in the Grey cup.......

 

Let's be ready to smack them as soon as the opening whistle sounds till the millisecond it blows and could be a penalty......every down every player especially on offence, block hard, run hard initiate the contact, do everything in our power to wear them down....We are the rested healthier team......with the home crown noise and energy behind us....absolutely no more of this coming out flat.....

[White Out]

I predict a painful game to watch. Harris will dink and dunk. He will put up points. And in the end, it'll come down to if Zach can put together a decent game. I really think he's the linchpin to this whole thing. Zach needs to throw some goddamn darts and get some goddamn red zone conversions. 

Edited Sunday at 03:37 PM by White Out

[Noeller]

Some mind blowing takes in here....

Whoever's line is more physical will likely win

The QB is the lynchpin for the team

Amazing stuff. 

Also, "we're the healthier team"..... Are we? We lost a lot of guys to injury this season. People are quick to blame Buck but honestly its been as much about too many new guys starting this season due to injury. 

[Nolby]

46 minutes ago, 3rdand1.5 said:

Sask. has a good d-line, they will get pressure.......a lot of the final outcome of this game will be how we handle this pressure. I don't believe we can stop it, so we /Buck needs to figure out how to slow it down, and use the aggressive Sask. D-line to our advantage. IF Lucky is closer to healthy and his speed and "twitch" is back he could be a very valuable asset this game.....we started to see him used in some motion, I will take a healthy Lucky one on one against a Sask LB or DB outside the tackles......Brady is not really an off tackle kind of back, Zach does have success with his right roll out's so no doubt Sask. will be looking for some contain....IMO in the BC game it was the interior guys overpowering the BC interior and collapsing the pocket on VAJ that caused most of the damage......This does worry me as our interior has not been great and Zach doesn't have the athletic ability VAJ does.......I would love to see us run at and stretch Betts....IMO he is very athletic and quick, but he is not great or disciplined against the run.....IMO he will/does get caught over pursuing and is something we can take advantage of...

 

I really do believe that the biggest factor in the outcome of this game is our o-line vs. their d-line.......whichever line is more physical will be in the Grey cup.......

 

Let's be ready to smack them as soon as the opening whistle sounds till the millisecond it blows and could be a penalty......every down every player especially on offence, block hard, run hard initiate the contact, do everything in our power to wear them down....We are the rested healthier team......with the home crown noise and energy behind us....absolutely no more of this coming out flat.....

Buck needs to adjust faster than the Toronto game we recently lost. Their dline was crushing us, making adjustments at half time and not on the fly hurt us. You never, ever see Buck call screen plays.....which would help alleviate pressure on Zach.

Edited Sunday at 04:22 PM by Nolby

[3rdand1.5]

7 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Some mind blowing takes in here....

Whoever's line is more physical will likely win

The QB is the lynchpin for the team

Amazing stuff. 

Also, "we're the healthier team"..... Are we? We lost a lot of guys to injury this season. People are quick to blame Buck but honestly its been as much about too many new guys starting this season due to injury. 

Why take the time to chime in to negatively portray peoples opinions.......and to backhand bully posters into seemingly be inferior to your thoughts and opinions....especially if you don't take the time to share your own thoughts and opinions...

1 minute ago, Nolby said:

Buck needs ti adjudt faster than the Toronto game we recently lost. Their dline was crushing us, makimg adjustments at half time and not on the fly hurt us. You never, ever see Buck call screen plays.....which would help alleviate pressure on Zach.

Screens are a question mark this season.....perhaps a more knowledgeable X and O guy can jump in...but I agree that screens are and have been a very valid way to counter an aggressive D-line.... Brady has shown he has the hands to handle them

[Bigblue204]

11 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Some mind blowing takes in here....

Whoever's line is more physical will likely win

The QB is the lynchpin for the team

Amazing stuff. 

Also, "we're the healthier team"..... Are we? We lost a lot of guys to injury this season. People are quick to blame Buck but honestly its been as much about too many new guys starting this season due to injury. 

Yes and no...going an entire half of football and only giving the ball to your mop 3 or 4 (dont quote me on those #s) times isn't due to injuries...its bad play calling imo. There were plenty of games where Brady just wasn't being used and or no adjustments were made when pressure was a major issue. Injuries played a part, but I'm not giving Buck an out. He just hasn't been very good this year.

[Noeller]

5 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

Yes and no...going an entire half of football and only giving the ball to your mop 3 or 4 (dont quote me on those #s) times isn't due to injuries...its bad play calling imo. There were plenty of games where Brady just wasn't being used and or no adjustments were made when pressure was a major issue. Injuries played a part, but I'm not giving Buck an out. He just hasn't been very good this year.

So is that Buck or is that Zach calling the P on an RPO? I'm just saying it's hard to know for sure exactly who's responsible for what. I'd think at this point Zach has a lot of leeway to do what he wants out there within a certain set of parameters.

 

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Unfortunately I'd bet this lack of tix is due to assholes from the rectangle buying up as much as they could afford....

 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:14 PM by Noeller

[Rod Black]

A sell out in early to mid November is a remarkable achievement. 

[17to85]

6 minutes ago, Rod Black said:

A sell out in early to mid November is a remarkable achievement. 

A glorious day for the Bombers and therefore the world.

[Nolby]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

So is that Buck or is that Zach calling the P on an RPO? I'm just saying it's hard to know for sure exactly who's responsible for what. I'd think at this point Zach has a lot of leeway to do what he wants out there within a certain set of parameters.

 

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Unfortunately I'd bet this lack of tix is due to assholes from the rectangle buying up as much as they could afford....

 

 

Because of the strong sales, wont see much Rider fans in the stands as they only found out last night they were comin here.

[Noeller]

7 minutes ago, Nolby said:

Because of the strong sales, wont see much Rider fans in the stands as they only found out last night they were comin here.

I'm just saying they announced 30k a couple of days ago and then a few hundred left this morning.... Curious if that's green inbreeders or what...

Edited Sunday at 05:22 PM by Noeller

[White Out]

1 hour ago, Noeller said:

Some mind blowing takes in here....

Whoever's line is more physical will likely win

The QB is the lynchpin for the team

Amazing stuff. 

Also, "we're the healthier team"..... Are we? We lost a lot of guys to injury this season. People are quick to blame Buck but honestly its been as much about too many new guys starting this season due to injury. 

You're kind of a prick. This is a discussion forum, do you want us to break out x's and o's? 

 

 

[Atomic]

They sold a ton of tickets last night and this morning judging by Ticketmaster. I checked how many were available yesterday and there were at least a couple thousand.

[Noeller]

1 minute ago, White Out said:

You're kind of a prick. This is a discussion forum, do you want us to break out x's and o's? 

 

 

Those smart enough, usually do, and they're almost always welcome. JBR has the best, most concise takes usually. Wbbfan is knowledgeable but writes pages of a novel... Often needs a TL/dr

2 minutes ago, Atomic said:

They sold a ton of tickets last night and this morning judging by Ticketmaster. I checked how many were available yesterday and there were at least a couple thousand.

Ya that's exactly it... That's why I'm thinking Gappers. 

[Piggy 1]

4 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I'm just saying they announced 30k a couple of days ago and then a few hundred left this morning.... Curious if that's green inbreeders or what...

 

that damn 13th man again.....

[Dr Zaius]

1 hour ago, Nolby said:

Buck needs to adjust faster than the Toronto game we recently lost. Their dline was crushing us, making adjustments at half time and not on the fly hurt us. You never, ever see Buck call screen plays.....which would help alleviate pressure on Zach.

Is it just me, or.. is Collaros sucky at connecting on screen passes? He seems to miss the throw way more than he should

[Tracker]

13 hours ago, Nolby said:

Man, they're quite cocky over there right now. They played a decent game, nothing scary, we aint BC.

Riders managed to get very, very lucky. Harris is playing some of the best he have ever played and has been hale since he came back, but I still believe, given his age and history, he is brittle and a couple of solid hits are likely to take him out. Unfortunately, we do not seem to have the homicidal front seven to make that likely.

[Dr Zaius]

33 minutes ago, Atomic said:

They sold a ton of tickets last night and this morning judging by Ticketmaster. I checked how many were available yesterday and there were at least a couple thousand.

Impending sellout with a week left to spare. Flagship Franchise does it again.

Never a doubt. 

Edited Sunday at 05:58 PM by Dr Zaius

[JCon]

57 minutes ago, Nolby said:

Because of the strong sales, wont see much Rider fans in the stands as they only found out last night they were comin here.

They wouldn't even show up at their home stadium, why would they come here? It's only the expats that would be buying. 

[Zach Schnitzer]

2 hours ago, Noeller said:

So is that Buck or is that Zach calling the P on an RPO? I'm just saying it's hard to know for sure exactly who's responsible for what. I'd think at this point Zach has a lot of leeway to do what he wants out there within a certain set of parameters.

 

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Unfortunately I'd bet this lack of tix is due to assholes from the rectangle buying up as much as they could afford....

 

 

I don’t think it’s RPO most of the time. From what I’ve seen it’s a lack of called run plays. If the other team is stacking the box I don’t mind it so much, so long as there’s a good repertoire of short passes counter d line pressure. Then once the backers and secondary creep up to the line, you can stretch the field on double moves. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

This is the game Lawler has to dominate.

Very similar scheme to what they just played vs Montreal but less blitzing.

Flood half the field and someone will be wide open.  Think the 3rd Q vs Montreal.  First half of the LDC before Collaros took the head shot.

[HardCoreBlue]

10 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

This is the game Lawler has to dominate.

Very similar scheme to what they just played vs Montreal but less blitzing.

Flood half the field and someone will be wide open.  Think the 3rd Q vs Montreal.  First half of the LDC before Collaros took the head shot.

Or at the very least have them over fixate on Lawler opening it up for our other receivers to make big plays. I would for sure take both: Lawler dominating with heavy support from his receiving colleagues.