111th Grey Cup- Argos vs Bombers GDT

[Goalie]

Argos are more of a dynasty than we are. 

[Mark H.]

Just now, bluto said:

I think that the key part of your post jbr, and I hesitate to point this out because I got static for this 2 years ago, was that at halftime RD showed his superiority in adjustments over OSH.

Absolutely correct. Dinwiddie is very good at what he does, and I have no problem admitting it 

[bluto]

8 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I said all week to anyone who listened that Toronto was going to win this, because they always do. This was never in doubt.

I still have full faith in The Trinity to turn this around with a fresh roster and spend every penny on a championship roster for a home GC. 

Bring on 2025 season!

And here's the tough one. 

 

I'm not going to get into this now because it's late and I'm standing under the cold November rain smoking my second Monte Cristo number 2 and nursing three fingers of MacAllan... Maybe we'll get into this more as the weeks go on...

 

But Winnipeg's Trinity has a blind spot: it doesn't churn the roster. 

Edited Monday at 04:26 AM by bluto

[Mark H.]

Just now, Goalie said:

Argos are more of a dynasty than we are. 

#fortthew?

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I said all week to anyone who listened that Toronto was going to win this, because they always do. This was never in doubt.

I still have full faith in The Trinity to turn this around with a fresh roster and spend every penny on a championship roster for a home GC. 

Bring on 2025 season!

1/3rd of this Trinity u speak of will have to have hell freeze over before he opts for a fresh roster

[JuranBoldenRules]

6 minutes ago, bluto said:

I think that the key part of your post jbr, and I hesitate to point this out because I got static for this 2 years ago, was that at halftime RD showed his superiority in adjustments over OSH.

Maybe.  Biggest issue is guy drops a punt and then we're chasing the game instead of controlling it.  Not really an adjustment aside from the fact Whitehead shouldn't be anywhere near a CFL roster in 2024. 

You talked about margin of error to win the game all week.  We made that margin smaller and smaller with stupid mistakes mostly related to catching the ball.

I think Dinwiddie trusted his QB and our D schemed like he wouldn't.  We defended the big play, and Arbuckle just took what was there to manage the game.

We lose our QB and it's basically game over especially since Wheatfall can't play pitch and catch with Wilson.

I don't know what adjustment Dinwiddie made at half to break Collaros finger and have Whitehead drop a punt at our endzone.

Dinwiddie had a great game plan and stayed patient.  He knew it would be a classic CFL game down to the wire either way, gotta be in it at the end then the floodgates opened up for him with our mistakes and Collaros getting dinger.

Edited Monday at 04:27 AM by JuranBoldenRules

[HardCoreBlue]

12 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I said all week to anyone who listened that Toronto was going to win this, because they always do. This was never in doubt.

I still have full faith in The Trinity to turn this around with a fresh roster and spend every penny on a championship roster for a home GC. 

Bring on 2025 season!

Giving us the I told you so post?

cmon man. We’re a bit delicate right now. 

Argos suck and they will always suck. Hope their three fans enjoy it, congrats. They were the better team today.

Edited Monday at 04:30 AM by HardCoreBlue

[JohnnyAbonny]

The most positive thing I can say right now is at least 2019 happened. Beat the drought in the last game Cuthbert called, not to mention the last pre-Covid one, when sports in general felt more important. 

In my lifetime, I did get to see my team shitkick their opponent in a championship game. I did not believe I’d ever be able to say that previously. 

At the time I said whatever the Bombers do after this, I’m good. Granted, trying to hold myself to that now is a challenge but this isn’t 01, 07 or even 22. 
 

Also, they still porked the Riders.  

Edited Monday at 04:30 AM by JohnnyAbonny

[bluto]

1 minute ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Maybe.  Biggest issue is guy drops a punt and then we're chasing the game instead of controlling it.  Not really an adjustment aside from the fact Whitehead shouldn't be anywhere near a CFL roster in 2024. 

You talked about margin of error to win the game all week.  We made that margin smaller and smaller with stupid mistakes mostly related to catching the ball.

I think Dinwiddie trusted his QB and our D schemed like he wouldn't.  We defended the big play, and Arbuckle just took what was there to manage the game.

We lose our QB and it's basically game over especially since Wheatfall can't play pitch and catch with Wilson.

I don't know what adjustment Dinwiddie made at half to break Collaros finger and have Whitehead drop a punt at our endzone.

I don't know , brother but when it looked pretty clear, that when they didn't want this to be a match of your o-line plus Brady versus our d-line plus Wynton, we took Lawler from you. 

[Eternal optimist]

Threw Wilson (QB) to the wolves when Zach got hurt. If we had taken care of business down the stretch in the regular season, he could have seen some more action. Dude looked terrible when he was in and should have thrown an INT that was dropped

[bluto]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

The most positive thing I can say right now is at least 2019 happened. Beat the drought in the last game Cuthbert called, not to mention the last pre-Covid one, when sports in general felt more important. 

In my lifetime, I did get to see my team shitkick their opponent in a championship game. I did not believe I’d ever be able to say that previously. 

At the time I said whatever the Bombers do after this, I’m good. Granted, trying to hold myself to that is now is a challenge but this isn’t 01, 07 or even 22. 
 

Also, they still porked the Riders.  

And you sir, get the first ever go bombers emoji I've ever granted on this forum

[Goalie]

1 minute ago, Eternal optimist said:

Threw Wilson (QB) to the wolves when Zach got hurt. If we had taken care of business down the stretch in the regular season, he could have seen some more action. Dude looked terrible when he was in and should have thrown an INT that was dropped

He threw like 3 passes and 2 were drops but ok 

[Eternal optimist]

Friendly reminder this marked the 10th consecutive Grey Cup the 'Riders have not played in!

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, bluto said:

And you sir, get the first ever go bombers emoji I've ever granted on this forum

Contrats Bluto. I hate your team, but I know you’re a diehard. Enjoy it man. 

[K-Shack]

10 minutes ago, bluto said:

I think that the key part of your post jbr, and I hesitate to point this out because I got static for this 2 years ago, was that at halftime RD showed his superiority in adjustments over OSH.

In my view, MOS is a culture coach whereas RD is a schemer (and culture in his own way). I'm glad MOS changed the culture of this team, but give me a RD over a MOS on game day anytime.

Credit to your team. Enjoy your celebration, @bluto  

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

I don't know , brother but when it looked pretty clear, that when they didn't want this to be a match of your o-line plus Brady versus our d-line plus Wynton, we took Lawler from you. 

That was from the first snap of the game.

And yeah, our other receivers **** the bed which is the story of most of our season with 2-3 of our top 4 guys being down the entire season.

Not going to win in this league if you can't pass for first downs.

[Noeller]

13 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

The Argos could very easily be in Winnipeg, next November.

And if so, we lose again. 

[K-Shack]

19 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

 

19 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Our backup QB throws a TD pass that a rookie receiver makes an attempt at like he's looking into a full ******* eclipse

Wheatfall should have caught it for sure, but I think we were called offside on the play anyways. It would have given us another down though at least. That was a great throw. 

Edited Monday at 04:36 AM by K-Shack

[SpeedFlex27]

4 hours ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

One thing the culture has lost...D and special teams used to be all about attacking the ball.  Turning over the ball.  Maybe specials still kind of is because we're one of the better teams at blocking punts, but how many games did we have 0 or 1 INT's/fumbles out of the D this year?  We're pretty consistently losing the turnover battle and margin to win is a lot less.  Seems like we got loaded up with star players and forgot how to win games, just leave it in their hands.

Absolutely agree. When we dominated the CFL our defensive front 7 were ferocious. We intimidated other teams. Wev attacked, attacked, attacked. I remember our D swarming to the ball. And we had turnovers. Fumbles & interceptions. We were ball hawks. fast forward to today. Our D is passive. We had no pass rush. Arbuckle had all day to throw. Did we adjust? Nope. Just stayed in a 3 man front & dropped 9 all day. little or no blitzing. Never changed a thing in the second half. Just kept doing what didn't work in the first half. Being conservative playing not to lose. 

Offensively, it was a clusterfuck from the first snap on. Eli going offside was a portent of poor play to come. You can sure tell how fragile this team is. if things don't fo well in the first series or two we just fall to pieces. That's been our forte all season long. Our OL didn't play badly yet neither did they play great. We never established our run game. We kept trying to do something in the air that didn't work. We kept going deep too much. Instead, we needed to pound Brady but alas, Zach showed no patience. Instead of going on 10 play drives that eat the clock, we tried to score in one shot & it didn't work. That's on Buck Pierce. Just terrible play calling. 

Special Teams. Another clusterfuck at the return position & punter. I just want to thank Kyle Walters for keeping someone as useless as Jake Thomas & releasing Janarion Grant. That's some kinda great managing, Kyle. Congrats....

Now, we have an off season where we all know changes need to be made but this team is so slow to react. I'm not expecting much to happen. 

Edited Monday at 08:14 AM by SpeedFlex27

[brett_c_b]

46 minutes ago, Bigblue204 said:

I'm not sure lapo is an upgrade. But  buck is stale...at least with the talent we currently have 

The only way I'd ever be ok with lapo back is if he was breaking down tape and helping scheme and gameplan, but within the system of whoever the OC is. Don't want his system, don't want him being the guy to call the game, but I can't deny he understands the game, but I think his strength is more breaking it down after the fact than reacting to it in the moment

[JuranBoldenRules]

For all the people shitting on punt team...Argos were actually way underwater on their punt return team tonight with a lot of tiny returns and a bunch of penalties.

We could have Jake Julien booming 60 yard punts with a 27 yard return average against to make us feel better though.

[captaincanuck12]

2 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Absolutely agree. When we dominated the CFL our defensive front 7 were ferocious. We intimidated other teams. Wev attacked, attacked, attacked. I remember our D swarming to the ball. And we had turnovers. Fumbles & interceptions. We were ball hawks. fast forward to today. Our D is passive. We had no pass rush. Arbuckle had all day to throw. Did we adjust? Nope. Just stayed in a 3 man front & dropped 9 all day. little or no blitzing. Never changed a thing in the second half. Just kept doing what didn't work in the first half. Being conservative playing not to lose. 

Offensively, it was a clusterfuck from the first snap on. Eli going offside was a portent of poor play to come. You can sure tell how fragile this team is. if things don't fo well in the first series or two we just fall to pieces. That's been our forte all season long. Our OL didn't play badly yet neither did they play great. We never established our run game. We kept trying to do something in the air that didn't work. Going deep at times maybe we shouldn't have. We needed to pound Brady but alas, Zach showed no patience. Instead of going on 10 play drives that eat the clock, we tried to score in one shot & it didn't work. That's on Buck Pierce. Just terrible play calling. 

Special Teams. Another clusterfuck at the return position & punter. I just want to thank Kyle Walters for keeping someone as useless as Jake Thomas & releasing Janarion Grant. That's some kinda great managing, Kyle. Congrats....

Now, we have an off season where we all know changes need to be made but this team is so slow to react. I'm not expecting much to change. 

I also think that the coach has something to do with those choices. 

[SpeedFlex27]

Just now, captaincanuck12 said:

I also think that the coach has something to do with those choices. 

Of course but Walters has final say. 

[captaincanuck12]

Just now, SpeedFlex27 said:

Of course but Walters has final say. 

But my point is is that I think Walters allows MOS that privilege.  

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, brett_c_b said:

The only way I'd ever be ok with lapo back is if he was breaking down tape and helping scheme and gameplan, but within the system of whoever the OC is. Don't want his system, don't want him being the guy to call the game, but I can't deny he understands the game, but I think his strength is more breaking it down after the fact than reacting to it in the moment

Lapo has succeeded as a play caller when he's had a head coach prodding him to be aggressive.  He's 1000% not the guy you want deciding to go for it or not, but he can design and call the plays just fine.  

Wouldn't say he has a "system."  Obviously everyone has tendencies but as someone designing an offense he is one of the best at matching scheme to talent he has.  

All time bad head coach though.