111th Grey Cup- Argos vs Bombers GDT

[Noeller]

There's not gonna be drastic change when we're hosting the GC. Or at least not the suggested "be okay with a down year" to rebuild. Not gonna happen.

I think they did a partial rebuild in season, but I really think the best advice is what JBR said: Have Zach tell you exactly who and what he wants to surround himself with, and then go buy it. Take whatever penalties you need to, to put the most talent on the field. 

And while I'm not going to whine and stomp and cry about veta getting tossed, I do agree that Thomas and Bighill (among others) need to be, as respectfully as possible, moved into the next phase of their lives. 

I am ******* DEPRESSED today... And I'm gonna need some time away from football breaking my heart again....but come spring, I'll be ready to fly. I'm excited for full season tickets next year and hopefully being in town for both a WF and GC.

No matter what, Let's ****** Go, Blue.... #FortHew #DefendTheFort

[Booch]

28 minutes ago, Noeller said:

There's not gonna be drastic change when we're hosting the GC. Or at least not the suggested "be okay with a down year" to rebuild. Not gonna happen.

I think they did a partial rebuild in season, but I really think the best advice is what JBR said: Have Zach tell you exactly who and what he wants to surround himself with, and then go buy it. Take whatever penalties you need to, to put the most talent on the field. 

And while I'm not going to whine and stomp and cry about veta getting tossed, I do agree that Thomas and Bighill (among others) need to be, as respectfully as possible, moved into the next phase of their lives. 

I am ******* DEPRESSED today... And I'm gonna need some time away from football breaking my heart again....but come spring, I'll be ready to fly. I'm excited for full season tickets next year and hopefully being in town for both a WF and GC.

No matter what, Let's ****** Go, Blue.... #FortHew #DefendTheFort

well if we don't make a couple vital key changes....and a shift in how we do things...we may not even get to it.

We partly did a rebuild this yr even tho we didn't intend to....and had some the growing pains for it already...but we have to without a doubt finish the turnover this winter and shed ourselves of a good 5...6 guys at minimum...stop blocking progress of some already here...and if it cause our staff thinks they not good enough...then replace them already

we already laid the majority of the ground work for the roster turnover and transition...so finishing it next yr by any means will not be a down year....more likely the opposite

But running it back next year with BA...Biggie..Thomas...Schmeck...Kolo...Wilson...Sheehan...Lucky..the one Hallett...and some of our longer in the tooth foot soldiers is doing the proverbial one step forward and 2 steps back

This has to be Walter's biggest and smartest off-season and take some of these issues totally away from Osh...and if he doesnt like it I am quite fine with him riding off into the sunset...nothing lasts forever...especially in pro football

Edited November 19 by Booch

[Goalie]

Schoen and lawler are my top 2 priorities this off season. Sign them both. We are hosting the grey cup. 
 

release some guys and don’t sign some if the option exists but expecting drastic change is insane considering we hosting. Who are our free agents. Perhaps someone with the time can make a list and how long are guys like Thomas signed for cuz if they are, only way they going is via retirement or release. 

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[Tracker]

6 minutes ago, Booch said:

well if we don't make a couple vital key changes....and a shift in how we do things...we may not even get to it.

We partly did a rebuild this yr even tho we didn't intend to....and had some the growing pains for it already...but we have to without a doubt finish the turnover this winter and shed ourselves of a good 5...6 guys at minimum...stop blocking progress of some already here...and if it cause our staff thinks they not good enough...then replace them already

we already laid the majority of the ground work for the roster turnover and transition...so finishing it next yr by any means will not be a down year....more likely the opposite

But running it back next year with BA...Biggie..Thomas...Schmeck...Kolo...Wilson...Sheehan...Lucky....the one Hallett...and some of our longer in the tooth foot soldiers is doing the proverbial one step forward and 2 steps back

This has to be Walter's biggest and smartest off-season and take some of these issues totally away from Osh...and if he doesnt like it I am quite fine with him riding off into the sunset...nothing lasts forever...especially in pro football

You cannot say nothing lasts forever- you have not listened to one of my wife's lectures.

[17to85]

5 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Schoen and lawler are my top 2 priorities this off season. Sign them both. We are hosting the grey cup. 

Lawler schoen Wilson and the Canadian contingent is a damned good receiving corps imo.

[Goalie]

3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Lawler schoen Wilson and the Canadian contingent is a damned good receiving corps imo.

Demski just needs to be paid like a 3 not a 1b really. 

[Noeller]

21 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Demski just needs to be paid like a 3 not a 1b really. 

He's signed through next year and with another 1k season under his belt I'm not sure he's in a hurry to renegotiate. But who knows what the core would be willing to do in order to build the best team possible for a home town Cup.

[Booch]

50 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Lawler schoen Wilson and the Canadian contingent is a damned good receiving corps imo.

I'd go to war with that

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Lawler schoen Wilson and the Canadian contingent is a damned good receiving corps imo.

I think those first three.  Another veteran American big body, you have the two vet Canadians filling 1 spot, Demski kind of a utility guy too.  I wouldn't count on getting more than 15 games from anyone, need depth.  We win and lose based on our ability to pass the ball.  I have no issue having a million dollar receiving corps.

Also need to sign 3 OL...preferably 2 Canadians.

[rebusrankin]

Can we get Walters to sign @JuranBoldenRules as a consultant? Pretty sure he was the guy advocating we nab Polk off Toronto's PR which in hindsight would have been a great move.

[Mike]

14 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

Can we get Walters to sign @JuranBoldenRules as a consultant? Pretty sure he was the guy advocating we nab Polk off Toronto's PR which in hindsight would have been a great move.

JBR is a billion times smarter than me, but I was the amateur scout on that one 

[rebusrankin]

12 minutes ago, Mike said:

JBR is a billion times smarter than me, but I was the amateur scout on that one 

****, then they need to hire you too.

[Booch]

Gotta give WJ props...6 tackles...2 sacks...he got that pick...forced a fumble...was creating issues all night....Lead by example in big game for sure....Loving the progress of Garbutt (whom I've said since last yr should have been playing) ...and has become real good in run support....if we can land another impact end....and I truly believe Person is that guy.....and Haba as depth I like the prospects for 2025 with Lawson back as the defacto Canadian DT...to work with Fox/Woods/Adams and our main goal this off-season to find that legit difference maker inside.

 

[blue85gold]

15 minutes ago, Booch said:

Gotta give WJ props...6 tackles...2 sacks...he got that pick...forced a fumble...was creating issues all night....Lead by example in big game for sure....Loving the progress of Garbutt (whom I've said since last yr should have been playing) ...and has become real good in run support....if we can land another impact end....and I truly believe Person is that guy.....and Haba as depth I like the prospects for 2025 with Lawson back as the defacto Canadian DT...to work with Fox/Woods/Adams and our main goal this off-season to find that legit difference maker inside.

 

Willie played like 2019 Grey Cup Willie

[Booch]

11 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Willie played like 2019 Grey Cup Willie

and with the right supporting cast...and use of him...no reason he cant for another 2..3 yrs....

[GCn20]

22 hours ago, Booch said:

in all honesty.....I put out the "positive" vibe.....was more a hope....but truly expected this...and figured in playoffs if we were to fail again....would be mainly due to coaching....roster....preparedness...and essentially was that....many guys had poor games...but were they really prepared adequately....and even if they executed whater the game plan was flawlessy...would it have mattered....I dont think so

That being said....6 yrs in a row...and 3 of 6 aint that bad....right?

It would have mattered GREATLY if we executed our game plan flawlessly. This loss is 100% on the players. I know you are going to spin this into a MOS offseason of rants, but this is not on him at all. He didn't turn the ball over 5 times, he didn't take crucial bad penalties. If there was ever a case of players dropping the proverbial ball at the wrong time this was it.  Roster management did not make an iota of difference in this one. The players need to all look at themselves, with the exception of Willie J, and ask themselves why they didn't show up.

Edited November 19 by GCn20

[Mark H.]

Can it not just be said - that the truth is somewhere in the middle of those 2 points of view? 

Surely no actually believes that it's 100% one way or the other? 

[GCn20]

6 minutes ago, Mark H. said:

Can it not just be said - that the truth is somewhere in the middle of those 2 points of view? 

Surely no actually believes that it's 100% one way or the other? 

Ok not 100%. But certainly the vast majority of the stink rests right on the 5 turnovers, bad penalties, and dropped balls by receivers. That is not coaching.

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[Booch]

18 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

It would have mattered GREATLY if we executed our game plan flawlessly. This loss is 100% on the players. I know you are going to spin this into a MOS offseason of rants, but this is not on him at all. He didn't turn the ball over 5 times, he didn't take crucial bad penalties. If there was ever a case of players dropping the proverbial ball at the wrong time this was it. 

he let a QB dictate things to him and play when he couldn't hold ball.,,.let alone throw....he also did nothing to counter what Argo's were doing...he again dressed a player who didnt see the field...he again relied heavily on a receiver (Demski) who was far from being effective....and....had no coverage rostered for it....he again rolled with 2 sub par DT's for no apparent reason I can see other than his love for excessive Canadians.....this team again seemed not totally prepared...and yeah drops and mental miscues is all part of a game prep and coaching...Have you ever played at a high level and know what actual preparation and coaching entails to mitigate that?...No you havn't....an to your point it is on the players?...well maybe thats a reflection on who the coach put out there too...get and or roster better ones who won't/don't choke

fact of the matter the loss...and the win last week are collective ventures.....but to say we were not out coached...and our coaching let us don...now 3 yrs running is head in the sand nut tugging.....I get it you thihnk Osh can do now wrong and is perfect.....well he can do better...much better and is far far from perfect...dont let some success blind you.

The interesting part is that 3 yrs running....you can inter-change a lot of the complaints...gripes....issues that contributed to the losses and they would be valid....how many failures is it gonna take to change the way you approach things?.....based on what I have seen...and how Osh acts and tries to spin things....I don't see him changing his MO...I just don't. History has shown now he either can't or doesn't know how

And our offensive game plan...was crap....and he signed off on it....defense played more than good enough....but again the scheme and the plan to just let Arbuckle of all people sit back un-impeded and carve us up,..was also something the coaches came up with...then didnt alter the plan when it really wasnt working as good as we would have wanted...let alone needed

Players cant go rogue and do their own thing...they do as told...and coached up to do.....so you can say all you want that it's a Osh attack....and yeah I guess it is...and justified....our coaching let us down...again....hate to be right and say I told yu so...but I said if we fail ...again it will be due to coaching....and for most part...it was....again

5 minutes ago, GCn20 said:

Ok not 100%. But certainly the vast majority of the stink rests right on the 5 turnovers and bad penalties. That is not coaching.

leaving the gimp QB who threw them in after it was determined he couldnt hol a ball...let alone throw it as a QB should....who is responsible for that gaff???.....do tell....and it was a direct result of the interceptions....I think a coach made that call...all yr not addressing the returner issue and standing pat...who makes that decison?.....unless you have some other insider info no-one is privy to as to confirm it's not the coach making these calls...then please do disclose

Edited November 19 by Booch

[GCn20]

9 minutes ago, Booch said:

he let a QB dictate things to him and play when he couldn't hold ball.,,.let alone throw....he also did nothing to counter what Argo's were doing...he again dressed a player who didnt see the field...he again relied heavily on a receiver (Demski) who was far from being effective....and....had no coverage rostered for it....he again rolled with 2 sub par DT's for no apparent reason I can see other than his love for excessive Canadians.....this team again seemed not totally prepared...and yeah drops and mental miscues is all part of a game prep and coaching...Have you ever played at a high level and know what actual preparation and coaching entails to mitigate that?...No you havn't....an to your point it is on the players?...well maybe thats a reflection on who the coach put out there too...get and or roster better ones who won't/don't choke

fact of the matter the loss...and the win last week are collective ventures.....but to say we were not out coached...and our coaching let us don...now 3 yrs running is head in the sand nut tugging.....I get it you thihnk Osh can do now wrong and is perfect.....well he can do better...much better and is far far from perfect...dont let some success blind you.

The interesting part is that 3 yrs running....you can inter-change a lot of the complaints...gripes....issues that contributed to the losses and they would be valid....how many failures is it gonna take to change the way you approach things?.....based on what I have seen...and how Osh acts and tries to spin things....I don't see him changing his MO...I just don't. History has shown now he either can't or doesn't know how

And our offensive game plan...was crap....and he signed off on it....defense played more than good enough....but again the scheme and the plan to just let Arbuckle of all people sit back un-impeded and carve us up,..was also something the coaches came up with...then didnt alter the plan when it really wasnt working as good as we would have wanted...let alone needed

Players cant go rogue and do their own thing...they do as told...and coached up to do.....so you can say all you want that it's a Osh attack....and yeah I guess it is...and justified....our coaching let us down...again....hate to be right and say I told yu so...but I said if we fail ...again it will be due to coaching....and for most part...it was....again

leaving the gimp QB who threw them in after it was determined he couldnt hol a ball...let alone throw it as a QB should....who is responsible for that gaff???.....do tell....and it was a direct result of the interceptions....I think a coach made that call...all yr not addressing the returner issue and standing pat...who makes that decison?.....unless you have some other insider info no-one is privy to as to confirm it's not the coach making these calls...then please do disclose

He could hold the ball just fine. One interception of the 3 was on a bad throw. The other 2 were god awful reads. You think we can do better than MOS do tell, WHO? It's a garbage take imo, that lets an abomination of poor play by our players off the hook. I have NEVER claimed MOS is perfect, or that he doesn't make mistakes. I just don't go the complete opposite direction that you do and claim every mistake is on him. You want a balanced take show a balanced take.

Edited November 19 by GCn20

[Booch]

Just now, GCn20 said:

He could hold the ball just fine. One interception of the 3 was on a bad throw. The other 2 were god awful reads. You think we can do better than MOS do tell, WHO? It's a garbage take imo, that lets an abomination of poor play by our players off the hook.

okay...Osh himself said ZC couldnt grip the ball.....like are u that much of a nut tugger??

 

[17to85]

The coaches not sitting Zach down is on them, the rest is on the players for poor execution

[GCn20]

Just now, Booch said:

okay...Osh himself said ZC couldnt grip the ball.....like are u that much of a nut tugger??

 

Nope...I leave that to you nut tugging the players completely off the hook. No room for me in the back of the room where you are running the train.

[bigg jay]

1 minute ago, GCn20 said:

He could hold the ball just fine. One interception of the 3 was on a bad throw. The other 2 were god awful reads. You think we can do better than MOS do tell, WHO? It's a garbage take imo, that lets an abomination of poor play by our players off the hook.

That's not even debatable - both Zach & MOS have said differently. 

[rebusrankin]

MOS isn't getting fired, this is Rebus's Hot Take for the Day. Heck, that take is Straight Fire.