111th Grey Cup- Argos vs Bombers GDT

[bluto]

3 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said:

And they wore an onion on their belt.

Which was the style of the time.

[wbbfan]

5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

We've been hanging onto Marty Costello by a thread for a couple years.  I think if he got a decent FCS OL coach job he'd be gone.

Our D staff outside of Younger are all up there in years.

That’s a good point actually. Marty could go. 

[voodoochylde]

26 minutes ago, Mike said:

I agree that one side of the ball definitely sank us, but I think there was a very obvious gap in our D all day too. Nick Taylor playing significant reps and our gameplan being so passive allowed Toronto free rein in that 7-12 yard middle of the field all night long. Certain guys on D came to play but the middle of that lineup was horrendous from interior DL back to safety.

 

And yet, it wasn’t until Lucky turned it over that game got away from us.  If we played complimentary football in any way all those perceived weaknesses are just a blip.

It wasn’t the middle of the defense that got us beat us tonight, it was (essentially) two pick sixes and a fumble on special teams.

Younger’s unit, for the most part, played well.

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

Nobody needs to be run out of town coaching wise....that being said they need to really....reallly look inward and realize where they failed....an why.....with explanation and discussion with GM and President and put forth their plan of action to fix it

Osh needs to be sat down and made realize that he has to let go of aging....downside vets and move forward with new....younger guys. And if it means Walters not bringing guys back to his displeasure...so be it....Walters is the Boss....not Osh

He aslo has to realize standing pat on what has worked...or used to, and having his mantra that we good and they all starters....they here cause they help us win....and the other tripe he feeds us is not working and he needs to evolve/adapt

In all honesty....what evolution have you seen since 2022?...if anything I have seen regression. Another bee in the bonnet too is his force feeding his need to play more Canadians than required due to his Patriotic Canadianism bias....which it totally is and structure his roster accordingly. Lots of people will crap on American coaches for their American bias...and seemingly neglecting some Canadians...but in actuality they are playing their best players....With Osh it's the opposite....you can disagree all you want but it's been smack dab in our face the last 2 yrs.....if anyone seriously thinks excessive Thomas and Schmeck playing on the dline is better than any 2 americans we have....or could have brought in during the season until we found the right guy(s) is seriously delusional....we didn't have to do that at all....but we did

You either have to adapt and or evolved...or you destined to fail...we've failed 3 straight yrs.....time to adapt and evolve

I think buck has regressed to be worse than lapo. And I was the captain of the plop train. 

[Goalie]

Just now, voodoochylde said:

And yet, it wasn’t until Lucky turned it over that game got away from us.

If we played complimentary football in any way all those perceived weaknesses are just a blip.

It wasn’t the middle of the defense that got us beat us tonight, it was (essentially) two pick sixes and a fumble on special teams.

Younger’s unit, for the most part, played well.

Not to mention torontos field position all game really. 

[Slimy Sculpin]

2 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said:

Congrats you risked it and failed.. 

Congrats you risked it and failed.. 

Did I?

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, wbbfan said:

I think buck has regressed to be worse than lapo. And I was the captain of the plop train. 

At least Lapo used the running game. 

[Mark H.]

36 minutes ago, White Out said:

Do I need to say please to get you to answer my original question? 

Please?

Bumping threads has always been against the rules 

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Man Lawler was among the only players we had on the field tonight.  Toronto just took him away because we had nothing else.

Schoen...maybe there's some talk there.  If he's healthy in these past 2 Grey Cup games we win.  But again...personnel side, what are we doing?  We had a whole season to replace Schoen this year and we already had a receiver derby in camp because we needed to fill a couple spots.

one of Osh'S other big flaws...is whoever he breaks camp with...for the most part thats what it is....he won't waver...change...bring in anyone new...e=even when guys are just not getting it done...or good enough....thats not good

[rebusrankin]

My fear is they keep the coaching staff and the same old core.

[JuranBoldenRules]

Just now, JohnnyAbonny said:

A lot of anger right now, but at this point I feel like I just can’t watch this offence anymore. Either get some receivers that can win a contested ball or get a QB/OC that can play the intermediate game without shitting all over themselves. It’s been Brady and the square pegs for years now. 

Really the receivers are a huge issue.  OL too.  Yeah Collaros struggled, but man, not a lot to work with.  And you can't just hand Oliviera the ball 20 times and think that's going to work.  Need some guys out there who want the ball, who can figure out how to play against zone.  Big drop when we lost Wolitarsky.  Need to make Demski a role player who can make the odd catch, take the odd hand off, not a critical piece but a guy the D has to respect.

We went from 19-21 with OL where we could handle anything to 22 when we started to see some cracks to here in 24 where we ditched probably 2 of our best 3 OL and felt it.  Lofton is a very average American tackle, nothing special.  We didn't replace Gray's mobility.  Dobson is like a Madden 77.  Mauler with slow feet, really struggles in pass pro.  Neufeld's decline has been gradual but getting sharper.

If I'm Wade Miller I'm walking into February willing to spend $2 million plus on receivers, OL's and guys who can rush off the edge.

[JohnnyAbonny]

1 minute ago, Goalie said:

Not to mention torontos field position all game really. 

Horrible punter and horrible returner. That part is 100% on the front office. 

[wbbfan]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

At least Lapo used the running game. 

Limited turn overs, could manage a clock, was actually better in the final 3 minutes of games and had progressions in his systems. 
 Damn sad day when lapo looks like an upgrade in retrospect. Time for change. 

[JuranBoldenRules]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

At least Lapo used the running game. 

Lapo had an all-time OL. 

[JohnnyAbonny]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Really the receivers are a huge issue.  OL too.  Yeah Collaros struggled, but man, not a lot to work with.  And you can't just hand Oliviera the ball 20 times and think that's going to work.  Need some guys out there who want the ball, who can figure out how to play against zone.  Big drop when we lost Wolitarsky.  Need to make Demski a role player who can make the odd catch, take the odd hand off, not a critical piece but a guy the D has to respect.

We went from 19-21 with OL where we could handle anything to 22 when we started to see some cracks to here in 24 where we ditched probably 2 of our best 3 OL and felt it.  Lofton is a very average American tackle, nothing special.  We didn't replace Gray's mobility.  Dobson is like a Madden 77.  Mauler with slow feet, really struggles in pass pro.  Neufeld's decline has been gradual but getting sharper.

If I'm Wade Miller I'm walking into February willing to spend $2 million plus on receivers, OL's and guys who can rush off the edge.

The bolded point I get for sure, you can’t just go up the gut 20 times with no passing threat.
 Not using Brady inside the 15 with a backup QB in the game, with the box not stacked was ridiculous. 

[Bigblue204]

2 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Really the receivers are a huge issue.  OL too.  Yeah Collaros struggled, but man, not a lot to work with.  And you can't just hand Oliviera the ball 20 times and think that's going to work.  Need some guys out there who want the ball, who can figure out how to play against zone.  Big drop when we lost Wolitarsky.  Need to make Demski a role player who can make the odd catch, take the odd hand off, not a critical piece but a guy the D has to respect.

We went from 19-21 with OL where we could handle anything to 22 when we started to see some cracks to here in 24 where we ditched probably 2 of our best 3 OL and felt it.  Lofton is a very average American tackle, nothing special.  We didn't replace Gray's mobility.  Dobson is like a Madden 77.  Mauler with slow feet, really struggles in pass pro.  Neufeld's decline has been gradual but getting sharper.

If I'm Wade Miller I'm walking into February willing to spend $2 million plus on receivers, OL's and guys who can rush off the edge.

Ummm...I'd argue that yes, you sure as **** can. If not hand offs, screens flats etc. At what point did TO consistently stop that guy in all 3 games played?

[JohnnyAbonny]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Limited turn overs, could manage a clock, was actually better in the final 3 minutes of games and had progressions in his systems. 
 Damn sad day when lapo looks like an upgrade in retrospect. Time for change. 

Agreed, and that’s not even really a complement to Lapo

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:

Really the receivers are a huge issue.  OL too.  Yeah Collaros struggled, but man, not a lot to work with.  And you can't just hand Oliviera the ball 20 times and think that's going to work.  Need some guys out there who want the ball, who can figure out how to play against zone.  Big drop when we lost Wolitarsky.  Need to make Demski a role player who can make the odd catch, take the odd hand off, not a critical piece but a guy the D has to respect.

We went from 19-21 with OL where we could handle anything to 22 when we started to see some cracks to here in 24 where we ditched probably 2 of our best 3 OL and felt it.  Lofton is a very average American tackle, nothing special.  We didn't replace Gray's mobility.  Dobson is like a Madden 77.  Mauler with slow feet, really struggles in pass pro.  Neufeld's decline has been gradual but getting sharper.

If I'm Wade Miller I'm walking into February willing to spend $2 million plus on receivers, OL's and guys who can rush off the edge.

If you can run 9 times for 10 yards a pop, you can run 20 times in the game. 
 I don’t think fixing the ol will be easy. I’d start by flipping an imp at G though. 

[voodoochylde]

Just now, wbbfan said:

Limited turn overs, could manage a clock, was actually better in the final 3 minutes of games and had progressions in his systems. 
 Damn sad day when lapo looks like an upgrade in retrospect. Time for change. 

Lapo is a student of the game and while I think Lapo’s system is stale (and him too conservative overall) he IS an upgrade over Buck.

[JuranBoldenRules]

1 minute ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

The bolded point I get for sure, you can’t just go up the gut 20 times with no passing threat.
 Not using Brady inside the 15 with a backup QB in the game, with the box not stacked was ridiculous. 

Wilson literally got two wide open throws to the back pylon for TD's.  Missed the first one, put the second one right out there for Wheatfall to make the play.

They schemed that perfectly.  The box was stacked.  

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyAbonny said:

Horrible punter and horrible returner. That part is 100% on the front office. 

well...Smith was more than fine...and probably would have got better...plus he has the most explosive speed on the team....so management had a guy....Osh refused to play him...he did nothing to play himself off the roster. an that other older punter was 2x the punter that punter guy is....but he had the freaky goofball style Osh got all horned up over...so it sealed the other guys fate...that dude could boom it if need be and had serious hang time.....

5 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Limited turn overs, could manage a clock, was actually better in the final 3 minutes of games and had progressions in his systems. 
 Damn sad day when lapo looks like an upgrade in retrospect. Time for change. 

i'd take him back

[Goalie]

The chiefs lost today also. So it was just one of those days. 
 

Also not putting the L on the refs but it’s fitting Ambrosies last cup is flag filled. 

[Bigblue204]

I'm not sure lapo is an upgrade. But  buck is stale...at least with the talent we currently have 

[JohnnyAbonny]

7 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:

My fear is they keep the coaching staff and the same old core.

You know they will

[Bigblue204]

Just now, JuranBoldenRules said:

Wilson literally got two wide open throws to the back pylon for TD's.  Missed the first one, put the second one right out there for Wheatfall to make the play.

They schemed that perfectly.  The box was stacked.  

Ball was overthrown to wheatfall.