3 turds plus crappy honker. Long winter edition.

[17to85]

12 minutes ago, bluto said:

On the short one, I actually think Collaros didn't do anything wrong and that he made the "smart" read when he saw blitz: he picked his man that was in the area that the blitz was coming from. It wasn't a bad throw either. It was Priester, who knew where a smart QB would throw it, who jumped forward into the passing lane. 

So what you're saying is... the qb made a poor throw cause the db was sitting on the play? 

[Pete]

12 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

I'm just going to say it: having Zach go long on his first throw with a glove and an injured hand is fireable. Leave whoever made that call in BC. The single dumbest play call I can possibly imagine.

Would it have made a difference? Not likely. But the amount of brain rot required to make that call....

Thats what's so upsetting and it wasn't the only dumbness on display by the Bombers

the above example was closely followed by not using Olivera in the red zone, and having Wilson come in cold and with so little game experience try to throw exclusively.

and again with Olivera having run the ball on second down with more than 3 yds to go very succsessfully yet not trying it again all game.

and followed yet again with no half time adjustments to an offence that was clearly not working in the first half 

Honestly we looked like a  that playing with desperation and panic. The amount of penalties we took was inexcusable

O'Shea said after the game that we didn't run the wall because the argos defence was set up to take it away yet Brady had a 7.6 yd average.. And with Demski hurt we didn't have anyone else to misdirect the run game.. Our lack of creativity to get the most outstanding player the ball is yet another example of dumbness.

I was never a fan of Dinwiddie but he truly made our coaches look like rookies. (a lot of that was self inflected too)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 05:07 PM by Pete

[bluto]

1 minute ago, 17to85 said:

So what you're saying is... the qb made a poor throw cause the db was sitting on the play? 

No, I'm saying that a smart play that is well executed can still be defeated or reverse by a defender who makes a ++ play on it.

1 minute ago, Pete said:

I was never a fan of Dinwiddie but he truly made our coaches look like rookies. (a lot of that was self inflected too)

I get that some guys just don't like some coaches or players for whatever reasons. Nothing wrong with that.

But surely nobody is surprised that Dinwiddie came in with a team that was well prepared and motivated and a game plan set up specifically to defeat the West champions?

He's got 4 years of HC credentials which (as far as I can tell) establish him as being of the highest quality for a HC.

Am I missing something?

[17to85]

3 minutes ago, bluto said:

No, I'm saying that a smart play that is well executed can still be defeated or reverse by a defender who makes a ++ play on it.

You can take your argos are just so superior **** and GTFO. It was not a smart throw. Guy with collaros experience needs to know not to throw a ball in that situation, especially when his hand is messed up. Good play by the db? Sure but also a ball that shouldn't have been thrown.

Mark my words if the Bombers receivers didn't **** their pants so completely we're not here listening to your ****.

[Pete]

25 minutes ago, bluto said:

No, I'm saying that a smart play that is well executed can still be defeated or reverse by a defender who makes a ++ play on it.

I get that some guys just don't like some coaches or players for whatever reasons. Nothing wrong with that.

But surely nobody is surprised that Dinwiddie came in with a team that was well prepared and motivated and a game plan set up specifically to defeat the West champions?

He's got 4 years of HC credentials which (as far as I can tell) establish him as being of the highest quality for a HC.

Am I missing something?

Nope i just don't like him

[Booch]

glove...no glove...who called the deep shot....who cares...fact of matter....they knew he couldn't grip the ball....and if a QB cant grip a ball....he cant throw it...well with any authority and purpose/accuracy...The glove was to minimize/cover/obstruct the bleeding so he didnt have to be pulled from game....Putting him in knowing that was a big mistake...blunder....was basically a pathetically stupid thing to do...and par for the course with Osh and his favorites...inexcusable and he should be held accountable for it

Any of our other 2 guys just had to step in and play clean and sound and have plays set up for them to succeed...play withing their strengths....hmmmmm like Dinwiddie did with Arbuckle...MAss did with Th Faj....not having a QB prepped and prepared for just that reason....in a playoff game....huge coaching blunder....plain and simple.....

And if you are not comfortable with certain guys on roster...why they there then...Osh likes to yip yap about they all starters...in the building for a reason....and if they in the building...it's because they can help us win games...I call B fricken S on that load of hooey as he doesn't coach like that....and never pulls a guy unless they have a limb fall off if they are one of his beloved vets who played well for us half a decade ago now

He needs to see players as to what they are....not waht they were...thats his problem

[Mike]

The feeling I can’t shake is that it seems like Osh decided in May what our path to a GC was and he didn’t deviate from that all year

No ability to adjust … to anything, really 

[Super Duper Negatron]

13 minutes ago, Booch said:

glove...no glove...who called the deep shot....who cares...fact of matter....they knew he couldn't grip the ball....and if a QB cant grip a ball....he cant throw it...well with any authority and purpose/accuracy...The glove was to minimize/cover/obstruct the bleeding so he didnt have to be pulled from game....Putting him in knowing that was a big mistake...blunder....was basically a pathetically stupid thing to do...and par for the course with Osh and his favorites...inexcusable and he should be held accountable for it

Any of our other 2 guys just had to step in and play clean and sound and have plays set up for them to succeed...play withing their strengths....hmmmmm like Dinwiddie did with Arbuckle...MAss did with Th Faj....not having a QB prepped and prepared for just that reason....in a playoff game....huge coaching blunder....plain and simple.....

And if you are not comfortable with certain guys on roster...why they there then...Osh likes to yip yap about they all starters...in the building for a reason....and if they in the building...it's because they can help us win games...I call B fricken S on that load of hooey as he doesn't coach like that....and never pulls a guy unless they have a limb fall off if they are one of his beloved vets who played well for us half a decade ago now

He needs to see players as to what they are....not waht they were...thats his problem

They are all starters (but only if the "starter" starters are literally dead or in a wheelchair).

Edited Monday at 06:11 PM by Super Duper Negatron

[Booch]

5 minutes ago, Mike said:

The feeling I can’t shake is that it seems like Osh decided in May what our path to a GC was and he didn’t deviate from that all year

No ability to adjust … to anything, really 

he's done nothing in season really in any yr...who he breaks camp with...he feels are the ctas ass.....he hasnt realy evolved as a coach...when he had sub par talent...he almost had his butt fired....but at least then he seemed to be trying and we actually did different things....he got the top talent...we cruised a bit...they have aged and regressed...he keeps running them out there and coaches even less...and we rarely adapt or change abything...and we been sputtering and stumbling...and been out classed in 3 straight cups

[TBURGESS]

1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

It's not a bit of both,  collaros is told to read the field and throw the ball to the open guy... he correctly saw Wilson was open deep the throw just ******* sucked. 

So with a glove on he should have forced a short throw just because? He tried a short throw and got picked on that too.

He shouldn't have been on the field at all considering he couldn't grip the ball properly. As he was on the field, give him a quick easy throw to see if he still had enough zip to keep playing. 

[Super Duper Negatron]

If you let Wilson take the remainder of the game, and either run the ball a ton or mix in some passes to the flats, dump offs, sweeps, etc, can we gut that game out with field goals?

Edited Monday at 06:10 PM by Super Duper Negatron

[Booch]

Just now, TBURGESS said:

He shouldn't have been on the field at all considering he couldn't grip the ball properly. As he was on the field, give him a quick easy throw to see if he still had enough zip to keep playing. 

he zipped 3 right to the Argo's....

[bluto]

58 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

You can take your argos are just so superior **** and GTFO. It was not a smart throw. Guy with collaros experience needs to know not to throw a ball in that situation, especially when his hand is messed up. Good play by the db? Sure but also a ball that shouldn't have been thrown.

Mark my words if the Bombers receivers didn't **** their pants so completely we're not here listening to your ****.

I thought it was a generally accepted principle that a QB can beat a blitz by throwing to a receiver in the area where the blitz came from.

Today I learned that football teams would be successful if receivers caught every ball and QBs never got intercepted. Thanks for the wisdom there, Dave. I guess Zach should've just ate the ball and not thrown to an open man to make a play.

Your comments always seem to boil down to a game overview where the opposition doesn't get a say in the matter... 

[Super Duper Negatron]

[rebusrankin]

28 minutes ago, Mike said:

The feeling I can’t shake is that it seems like Osh decided in May what our path to a GC was and he didn’t deviate from that all year

No ability to adjust … to anything, really 

I can't shake the feeling he decided in December of 2019 what the path to future cups would be and he has not deviated since nor will he.

[17to85]

37 minutes ago, bluto said:

not thrown to an open man to make a play.

If the db is there to make the pick dude ain't that open... so yeah I'd rather a sack than a pick.

[Fatty Liver]

56 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

If you let Wilson take the remainder of the game, and either run the ball a ton or mix in some passes to the flats, dump offs, sweeps, etc, can we gut that game out with field goals?

Why didn't they bring in Dolegala?  He's won games before including big games like the '23 LDC, and he's surely more qualified to step into that situation than Wilson was.  Who knows, he may have lit up like a Christmas tree knowing this was likely his last chance to revive his professional career.  

 

 

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, Fatty Liver said:

Why didn't they bring in Dolegala?  He's won games before including big games like the '23 LDC, and he's surely more qualified to step into that situation than Wilson was.  Who knows, he may have lit up like a Christmas tree knowing this was likely his last chance to revive his professional career.  

 

 

I would say....and mostly likely the reason...Cause Wilson ws here first and broke camp with us.....even tho Dolegala has starter experience....has won games....and has faced many of the guys on T.O's defence....and spent 2+yrs in the league...Osh was classic Oshin'.....and can add that to another in his long list of dumb decisions

[Fatty Liver]

57 minutes ago, Booch said:

I would say....and mostly likely the reason...Cause Wilson ws here first and broke camp with us.....even tho Dolegala has starter experience....has won games....and has faced many of the guys on T.O's defence....and spent 2+yrs in the league...Osh was classic Oshin'.....and can add that to another in his long list of dumb decisions

If Dolegala was brought in strictly for clerical purposes to fill a quota and never to perform, that's another inexplicable wasted opportunity to reap benefit from an experienced player.   It seems every other position is covered in multiple ways for backup, except the starting QB, who is only insured by faith in god and blind luck.

[17to85]

Honestly I don't care which of Wilson or dolegala they had pegged as #2, they should have been playing after zachs injury. We don't know which was the right choice, neither got the chance.

[wbbfan]

2 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

You know his finger looked way worse than just cut. 
 In middle school I actually tore a bunch of skin on the side my index finger playing flag football. (Old rusty buckle bit me when diving for a flag) and as it happened I was playing qb. It’s a mess for sure to throw like that. But zachs finger didn’t look like it was just tore up. It looked badly busted. That clear pain he was in when throwing didn’t look like stitches under a glove. It looked like serious pain. 
 I bet he broke the crap outta that finger. 
 

I love the heart to keep trying and to try deep with that. But damn some ones gotta save players from them self. 

8 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Honestly I don't care which of Wilson or dolegala they had pegged as #2, they should have been playing after zachs injury. We don't know which was the right choice, neither got the chance.

Qft. I would’ve put in the dole, just because of experience. He’s been here long enough to understand the weeks install. But Wilson looked surprisingly competent.  

[bigg jay]

Just now, wbbfan said:

You know his finger looked way worse than just cut. 
 In middle school I actually tore a bunch of skin on the side my index finger playing flag football. (Old rusty buckle bit me when diving for a flag) and as it happened I was playing qb. It’s a mess for sure to throw like that. But zachs finger didn’t look like it was just tore up. It looked badly busted. That clear pain he was in when throwing didn’t look like stitches under a glove. It looked like serious pain. 
 I bet he broke the crap outta that finger. 
 

I love the heart to keep trying and to try deep with that. But damn some ones gotta save players from them self. 

Qft. I would’ve put in the dole, just because of experience. He’s been here long enough to understand the weeks install. But Wilson looked surprisingly competent.  

This.  MOS said Zach demanded to be put in that situation but at the end of the day, it's MOS who should have made that call, especially once it was very apparent that the injury would not allow him to play at the level he needed to be at.

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“We put him in a very tough spot,” O’Shea said at the podium. “It was a situation he demanded to be put in.”

https://3downnation.com/2024/11/18/bombers-qb-zach-collaros-put-in-a-very-tough-spot-after-grey-cup-injury-mike-oshea/

[Tracker]

3 hours ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

They are all starters (but only if the "starter" starters are literally dead or in a wheelchair).

Or dead and in a wheelchair?

14 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

This.  MOS said Zach demanded to be put in that situation but at the end of the day, it's MOS who should have made that call, especially once it was very apparent that the injury would not allow him to play at the level he needed to be at.

https://3downnation.com/2024/11/18/bombers-qb-zach-collaros-put-in-a-very-tough-spot-after-grey-cup-injury-mike-oshea/

Are the inmates running the asylum? Contrast that against the TSN report that in mid-season, LaVaris Daniels was carping about his playing time, so Dinwiddie threatened him with a trade. So Daniels smartened up immediately.

Edited Monday at 09:16 PM by Tracker

[Noeller]

19 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Or dead and in a wheelchair?

Are the inmates running the asylum? Contrast that against the TSN report that in mid-season, LaVaris Daniels was carping about his playing time, so Dinwiddie threatened him with a trade. So Daniels smartened up immediately.

Jeff Hamilton piece from last week had details about an expletive laced tirade that MOS went on to the entire room following a loss earlier in the year. He's very much in charge, but also believes the vets can handle the room for the most part. 

[JCon]

14 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Jeff Hamilton piece from last week had details about an expletive laced tirade that MOS went on to the entire room following a loss earlier in the year. He's very much in charge, but also believes the vets can handle the room for the most part. 

And, they can. Have you ever heard about issues in that locker room?