3 turds plus crappy honker. Long winter edition.

[Deiter Fan]

3 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Just imagine if he took another hit to that hand or fell on it or any thing. 
 

 

He's really lucky he didn't suffer any nerve damage. I could see nerve damage on that finger being the difference between highly successful and just good

Edited Wednesday at 03:08 AM by Deiter Fan

[blue85gold]

Just a weird freak injury. Never seen that before. 

[wbbfan]

4 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Just a weird freak injury. Never seen that before. 

Right? Didn’t even look like he hit a helmet. One of the strangest I’ve seen. 
 

24 minutes ago, Deiter Fan said:

He's really lucky he didn't suffer any nerve damage. I could see nerve damage on that finger being the difference between highly successful and just good

he will be if he didn’t. Who knows for now. I can’t imagine how you’d throw with touch and nerve damage in the throwing hands index finger. 

[Booch]

54 minutes ago, Deiter Fan said:

Especially that finger. The index fingertip has the most sensitivity of any finger on your hand. 

thats the worst one to have useless as a QB

 

51 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

He told Buck and Osh how bad it was and they rolled with him anyway.

"Collaros threw on the sideline with Drew Wolitarsky and Chris Streveler, neither of whom were dressed due to injury, and struggled to grip the football. He recalled thinking, ‘****, I can’t really throw’ and relayed that information to offensive coordinator Buck Pierce. After that, head coach Mike O’Shea told him to reenter the game."

https://3downnation.com/2024/11/19/zach-collaros-on-grey-cup-injury-i-could-look-inside-my-finger/

 

But coaching wasn't an...or the issue...it was execution...well the HC basically neutered his offence to be hard pressed to execute anything with continued success right there....and it would have even possible hindered clean hand offs and pitches.....dumb dumb...just flat out dumb

[Deiter Fan]

8 minutes ago, Booch said:

and it would have even possible hindered clean hand offs and pitches

There's no way they would have numbed it, right? Because if not and it was aching/throbbing...I could see a guy rushing a throw to get it away before getting hit/banging it up even more. Not even necessarily consciously...just out of sheer reactionary self-preservation.

Just too many reasons to not send him back in.

Edited Wednesday at 04:06 AM by Deiter Fan

[Booch]

1 minute ago, Deiter Fan said:

There's no way they would have numbed it, right? Because if not and it was aching/throbbing...I could see a guy rushing a throw to get it away before getting hit/banging it up even more. Not even necessarily consciously...just out of sheer reactionary preservation.

Just too many reasons to not send him back in.

even if they could totally numb it...as a passer you cant have that finger numb....and you are bang on....sub consciously the body would self preserve and he would have been altering his throwing mechanics whether he wanted to or not....and likely was as those passes after wards were some the worst I seen from a vet QB on a football field....like ever

[bigg jay]

3 minutes ago, Deiter Fan said:

There's no way they would have numbed it, right? Because if not and it was aching/throbbing...I could see a guy rushing a throw to get it away before getting hit/banging it up even more. Not even necessarily consciously...just out of sheer reactionary self-preservation.

Just too many reasons to not send him back in.

They did numb it.

"Collaros went the locker room where medical staff numbed the finger and placed five stitches to resecure the tip back in place. Collaros indicated that the numbing didn’t wear off until Monday morning, though he has since regained feeling and some range of motion."

[Deiter Fan]

4 minutes ago, bigg jay said:

They did numb it.

"Collaros went the locker room where medical staff numbed the finger and placed five stitches to resecure the tip back in place. Collaros indicated that the numbing didn’t wear off until Monday morning, though he has since regained feeling and some range of motion."

Holy ****. I thought they might use a topical just to aid in stitching...but they clearly shot it up. And they still sent him back in. Wow. He could have done more damage to it and not even known it....and he would have had no touch on his passes.

Did I say "wow"? Wow.

Edited Wednesday at 04:16 AM by Deiter Fan

[JCon]

I really thought MOS would keep his job after winning the West Final and going to his 5th straight Grey Cup. But, it's clear he's not a good coach, has lost the room and is both too tough and too lenient, trusts his vets too much but also doesn't listen to them. Thanks MBB!

[Deiter Fan]

1 minute ago, JCon said:

I really thought MOS would keep his job after winning the West Final and going to his 5th straight Grey Cup. But, it's clear he's not a good coach, has lost the room and is both too tough and too lenient, trusts his vets too much but also doesn't listen to them. Thanks MBB!

I get you're being facetious...but that description reminds me of a quote I always try to remember.

"I may not know the secret of success but I do know the secret of failure and that's trying to please everyone"

There may be some aspect of that at play here.

[Goalie]

Osh ain’t going anywhere but someone will prob take the heat. Honestly the O was bad all year outside of stretches against bad teams, buck should be fired or let go or demoted. 
 

don’t see Osh going tho. Could see Osh going if 25 is a disaster which i fear it could be. 

[Noeller]

19 minutes ago, JCon said:

I really thought MOS would keep his job after winning the West Final and going to his 5th straight Grey Cup. But, it's clear he's not a good coach, has lost the room and is both too tough and too lenient, trusts his vets too much but also doesn't listen to them. Thanks MBB!

❤️ 💙💛

[Super Duper Negatron]

Reading more comments from Brady, Stanley and Neufeld this morning. I said during (after?) the game that if I was Brady I would feel betrayed and pissed and it's sounds like he isn't the only one.

Fire Buck Pierce.

Edited Wednesday at 02:19 PM by Super Duper Negatron

[Booch]

10 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:

Reading more comments from Brady, Stanley and Neufeld this morning. I said during (after?) the game that if I was Brady I would feel betrayed and pissed and it's sounds like he isn't the only one.

Fire Buck Pierce.

HC tho is involved...and signs off on game lan....he can also say...let's deviate.....dont do this...do that...wtf....he did none....It starts atthe top....not in the middle

 

[wbbfan]

11 hours ago, bigg jay said:

They did numb it.

"Collaros went the locker room where medical staff numbed the finger and placed five stitches to resecure the tip back in place. Collaros indicated that the numbing didn’t wear off until Monday morning, though he has since regained feeling and some range of motion."

They did, but we also saw him cringe hard with all the throws on the side line in clear discomfort. 
 Idk what he was going through but even with the numbing it looked like hell. 
Made no sense to put him back in or keep him in. Especially when he struggled soo bad before the injury. 

[blue85gold]

11 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

They did, but we also saw him cringe hard with all the throws on the side line in clear discomfort. 
 Idk what he was going through but even with the numbing it looked like hell. 
Made no sense to put him back in or keep him in. Especially when he struggled soo bad before the injury. 

Watching live my thought was to get him tapped, stitched up and back in the game. 

We were down 8 when he came back and the threat of him returning would have meant that the Argos couldn't just stack the box against Brady. Should have run the ball instead of slinging it deep right away though. 

Obviously Zach returning did not work at all, but realistically we weren't coming back from down 8 with Wilson or Dolega at QB. 

[bigg jay]

6 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Watching live my thought was to get him tapped, stitched up and back in the game. 

We were down 8 when he came back and the threat of him returning would have meant that the Argos couldn't just stack the box against Brady. Should have run the ball instead of slinging it deep right away though. 

Obviously Zach returning did not work at all, but realistically we weren't coming back from down 8 with Wilson or Dolega at QB. 

I agree that a comeback with either back-up was unlikely but putting in a QB who couldn't throw meant we had a 0% chance. Dolegala & Wilson could at least throw the ball so there would have been a very small chance but a chance nonetheless. 

To me, the coaches are supposed to put the team in the best position to win and they failed to do that.  The loss is not on them entirely as way too many players did not show up when they needed to but their decision to stick with Zach sealed the loss.

[Booch]

33 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

They did, but we also saw him cringe hard with all the throws on the side line in clear discomfort. 
 Idk what he was going through but even with the numbing it looked like hell. 
Made no sense to put him back in or keep him in. Especially when he struggled soo bad before the injury. 

plus you gotta think that with any pressure....and any contact on him good cgance he would be fumbling too....just a dummy n all around

 

18 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

Watching live my thought was to get him tapped, stitched up and back in the game. 

We were down 8 when he came back and the threat of him returning would have meant that the Argos couldn't just stack the box against Brady. Should have run the ball instead of slinging it deep right away though. 

Obviously Zach returning did not work at all, but realistically we weren't coming back from down 8 with Wilson or Dolega at QB. 

why not?..."everyone in building gives us a chance to win."...."and are all number 1's"....."thats why they are here."..."we like who we have"...we been fed this garbage how long now??

how do you know we wouldn't have won...I think we could have....and yeah Argo's tried to stack the box....well beat it...We dropped 8...9 guys into coverage to take pass away...well Arbuckle...a career back-up nobody sliced and diced it...they never went away from pass and focused on the run against a 3 man front....this idea and or assumption that we couldnt have run because this team did that...that team did this is crap...we got out coached and out schemed and we made dumb persomel decisions....plain and simple

[rebusrankin]

11 hours ago, JCon said:

I really thought MOS would keep his job after winning the West Final and going to his 5th straight Grey Cup. But, it's clear he's not a good coach, has lost the room and is both too tough and too lenient, trusts his vets too much but also doesn't listen to them. Thanks MBB!

I blame Joe Biden.

[blue85gold]

1 minute ago, Booch said:

plus you gotta think that with any pressure....and any contact on him good cgance he would be fumbling too....just a dummy n all around

 

why not?..."everyone in building gives us a chance to win."...."and are all number 1's"....."thats why they are here."..."we like who we have"...we been fed this garbage how long now??

how do you know we wouldn't have won...I think we could have....and yeah Argo's tried to stack the box....well beat it...We dropped 8...9 guys into coverage to take pass away...well Arbuckle...a career back-up nobody sliced and diced it...they never went away from pass and focused on the run against a 3 man front....this idea and or assumption that we couldnt have run because this team did that...that team did this is crap...we got out coached and out schemed and we made dumb persomel decisions....plain and simple

I mean that is garbage. We weren't coming from behind with Wilson or Dolega. 

Totally agree on running though. Should have pounded it all game. 

[Booch]

3 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

I mean that is garbage. We weren't coming from behind with Wilson or Dolega. 

Totally agree on running though. Should have pounded it all game. 

we were down 1 score.....I can't see why not...and if we are a team built where 1 key player goes out, and we destined to lose...then we are even more flawed than it seems

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:27 PM by Booch

[blue85gold]

3 minutes ago, Booch said:

we were down 1 score.....I can't see why not...and if we are a team built where 1 key player goes out, and we destined to lose...then we are even more flawed than it seems

 

We obviously are built that way. With Strev already out, when Zach got hurt we were screwed. 

Most teams are screwed if their top 2 QBs are out. Unless the D and specials can score some points (see the Argos)

[WBBFanWest]

4 minutes ago, blue85gold said:

I mean that is garbage. We weren't coming from behind with Wilson or Dolega. 

Totally agree on running though. Should have pounded it all game. 

You have no way of knowing that, none at all.  We had every bit as good a chance with our backups vs a starter who clearly could not throw the ball.  A good leader sets up his people to succeed.  With this boneheaded decision, O'Shea set up Collaros and the rest of the team to fail.  One has to ask why he thought a qb with a damaged hand was a better option than a fully functioning backup, who in theory, is there for exactly this sort of situation.

[Booch]

12 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said:

You have no way of knowing that, none at all.  We had every bit as good a chance with our backups vs a starter who clearly could not throw the ball.  A good leader sets up his people to succeed.  With this boneheaded decision, O'Shea set up Collaros and the rest of the team to fail.  One has to ask why he thought a qb with a damaged hand was a better option than a fully functioning backup, who in theory, is there for exactly this sort of situation.

YUP...just as we dont know if we would have won with a non injured Collaros that game...and based on what we witnessed and were out classed/coached...likely not.

He kept him in for several reasons.....firstly he truly believes come high or hell water that ZC is the best of the best....secondly...he suffers from severe smartest guy in the room mentality.....thirdly I truly think he doesn't have the ability to adapt and change on the fly...as I havnt seen it...his way of doing things...and his ideals have basically been the same as game 1 in 2014...he has not evolved or adapted at all...and is riding with what worked for the team in 2019-2021....and even then it wasn't do to materfull coaching...it was a lights out roster...we dont have that now....and he's to blame for that too

Coaching and coaching decisions have been 90% the reason for 3 straight cup embarrassments....and players not performimg...executing or just not good enough....is a direct result of yup you guessed it...coaching

[blue85gold]

17 minutes ago, WBBFanWest said:

You have no way of knowing that, none at all.  We had every bit as good a chance with our backups vs a starter who clearly could not throw the ball.  A good leader sets up his people to succeed.  With this boneheaded decision, O'Shea set up Collaros and the rest of the team to fail.  One has to ask why he thought a qb with a damaged hand was a better option than a fully functioning backup, who in theory, is there for exactly this sort of situation.

I mean yes you're right I can't see things that didn't happen. Anything could have happened. 

I'm just saying we were f$%#ed either way.